The Bitcoin Group, the American Original. For over the last ten years, the sharpest satosis, the best bitcoins, the hardest crypto currency talk. We'd like to welcome our panelists, Victoria Jones from Satoshi's page. Hello, hello, evening all. The Daniel from pubkey.bar. What's up? And I'm Thomas Hunt from the World Crypto Network. Moving on to issue one. Issue one, SEC approves first, spot, ether, ETFs to start trading on Tuesday. And since we're living in the future, let's check the results. The first day of inflows for the ether, ETFs, stakes are in. The Ethereum ETFs took in $107 million, BlackRock leading the way with $266 million, and Bitwise invest with $204 million. A very solid day for the Ethereum ETFs. However, the price of Ethereum has fallen 7% in the last days with the prices of Bitcoin up around 1.27% in the same time period. Victoria Jones, we talked about them all the time, how much easier it would be for Ethereum to get the ETF. And now here they are, Ethereum ETFs. What do you think about that? Yeah, it's no surprise. ETFs are much more similar to the way in which the existing financial system works. It's no surprise that they were going to organize that eventually. And I think it is a threat to Bitcoin really, because Wall Street has a lot of money. ETFs are their baby. And ultimately Bitcoin is designed to disrupt the existing financial system. So anything that comes in as competition to that is definite threat. I mean, we saw this in 2017 when ETHER first entered the crypto industry. And quickly there was an explosion of other, they were an explosion of other tokens, including the ICO tokens, which were tokens that were effectively tokens for individual businesses, which operate similar to the stock market. And there was a complete explosion in their value. And while it did help Bitcoin in the short term, it did create a lot of confusion that bubble. Certainly a lot of money went into the industry. And so I would imagine that Wall Street is probably going to follow the same trajectory. I'm sure they witnessed all of that and have learnt lessons from it and maybe trying to use the same thing. And with these situations, I always try to imagine how the enemy is thinking and what they intend to do. And no doubt, you know, many people will have studied exactly what happened. And we'll be trying to figure out a way to make it benefit them. So yeah, watch this space. I think we've got interesting times ahead. For quite a while, we've talked about the differences between Bitcoin and Ethereum. And one of the things that I think Wall Street and other people like about Ethereum is it's really easy to understand who created it. Ethereum has a creator. They have a team of creators. They were marketing it. They were selling it. And now there are hundreds, perhaps even thousands of Ethereum programmers in that way as much as all the Bitcoiners like to swap at the altcoins or the shitcoins and say, they'll die. They'll go away. They keep popping up because now there's so many programmers, so much interest, so much time spent and money spent on Ethereum. It's just not going to go away. And now we see Ethereum with its own ETF, which is similar to Bitcoin, came out a lot faster. Of course, I think the big question for them is, are they going to stake those coins? And are the Ethereum ETFs eventually going to take over the Ethereum network? Something that you can't do with Bitcoin. Daniel, what do you think about the Ethereum ETFs? So I think unlike Victoria, I don't really see it as a threat. I mean, you can put any kind of crap in it. You have to do what? So, you know, why not a don't you want to get a point out? You're keeping in your hands. This is what Wall Street does. They love to just find assets. We can co-op them monetize. I don't see anything anything any different. They saw Bitcoin in a portion. As soon as they realized the point of the effort successful, not the way in for the typical P.I. industry mindset, they looked for the next opportunities. These are people who always seek exits. They're not going to curve the lawn run. People who understand Bitcoin and buy it and bottle it, they're willing to write out an entire cycle. Someone who's buying an ETF, whether it's retail or even industry, I think it would be more inclined to take profits when they see a small bump. So, when they're good, they're 10%. That's time to take profits. They're looking to cash out into the yacht and we're using it as a vehicle. So, one of the opportunities that comes very late, I think, is really super appropriate for that type of trading mindset. I don't think it's a threat to Bitcoin. I think it just shows, it'll probably even show maybe faster from the real benefits of Bitcoin. Now it is sovereign. Now it is something you can hold with you. And how they really use a massive difference between the decentralized nature of Bitcoin and something that's quite the bit more centralized, especially with the way that Ethereum validators work and the way that's taking works, you will have all this run by BlackRock. I think that one is the whole validators. Everything will be on cloud services. That's how these are going to operate. But I think what I think we are usually thinking we're not in it for those aspects. Some of the conditions are for the ability to write smart contracts and produce tokens. It's a playground for developers. But I'd like to see that more with people are building on those thoughts come back to Bitcoin. I think it brings attention to just industry people will naturally grow towards the part of the money that has to be going on. Daniel, I think it is a playground for developers. And now it's a very well funded playground. The exit question is obvious, but predictable. We have to ask Bitcoin ETF Ethereum ETF what altcoin will have their ETF next Victoria Jones. Well, I feel almost got nothing to do with it, dogecoin. Daniel, do you see a dogecoin ETF or do you have your own another coin? I have my eyes on no other coin. If I were to venture to guess, I would salon because you build a double opportunity. It's very exciting about that. Everyone seems to be buzzing about Ethereum divers. I think the point is not a dogecoin is basically something that people may think is up in the building. Solana from the wait and subscribe to me has a lot more functionality. I think that's probably where I would be using it for any of the experts who knows. Solana does seem like the obvious and logical pick, which is not to say that it will have a lot of work to do with it. Not to say that it will happen. It very well could be a dogecoin ETF just to drive my fourth friend Jackson Palmer. Absolutely crazy. He invented it as a joke. He didn't like Bitcoin or cryptocurrency. He was criticizing it and his joke is now being used by you on and others to manipulate millions of dollars in the market allegedly, of course. Moving on to issue two Bitcoin and politics starting out with Donald Trump, who's speaking at the Bitcoin convention in Nashville, where Daniel is currently at, has raised more than $4 million in Bitcoin and other digital coins, according to the article, as crypto support pays off. Most of the funding is coming from the two Winklevi twins who both donated $1 million of peace and my friend Jesse Kraken, or Jesse Powell from Kraken, who also donated a million dollars to the unbattled former president who's also a felon, a accused rapist and other questionable things. But as he likes Bitcoin, so everyone's okay with it now. It's just what do you guys think about the general atmosphere and timing where people are supporting a candidate because of statements that they've made recently about Bitcoin, not actions that they took in the past while they were president and not statements that they made in the past while they were president. Daniel, what do you think about the sudden turn in Bitcoin to the right wing? First of all, you got me laughing so hard because you just folded Donald Trump's, like going Jesse Powell and Jesse Kraken, like Tim Apple, which I think is hilarious. But yeah, I'm at the Bitcoin conference with the Dan Arnital in that film. Today, I think Michael Saylor is speaking at some point, our opinion is Trump is here tomorrow, because he knows I will not be here to add, far away from the conference center. What can I say, people are shockers, this is one of donate for political candidates even Bitcoin. That's their right to do, I guess. You know, this is how fundraising process works. I personally, not a supporter of Donald Trump, never have been, because I win, I'm working on these workplaces, being a lot of those things that are being finished. And I'm not really understanding that you're going to be going about that said it is interesting to see the tension that's now drawn to Bitcoin. Still and over, we'll see other areas of politics. I think what we have is more of a conversation on the discussion about why Bitcoin is important for an Apple security. Okay, opens up those conversations topics to the wider audience that I think it's great. And we could potentially have a Donald Trump presidency or the point that comes much more. Other useful and for American security, we'll see Russell bridge and free. I hope so. That happens. There's really no guarantees of anything because we're going to get in bed with someone who was in the end on our list. We can't really feel bad for yourself if you get on. Right. So I would like to see more of the open discussion of money. The entire question about this point. That's what I do. I think it's my day to day. I don't want to be a person who comes to tomorrow. It really has been amazing if you followed the New York tabloids or just were alive and around in the 80s and the 90s. Trump was mainly known for cheating on his wives. He always seemed to have one wife. He was a new girl he was cheating with and then he'd marry that new girl. And then he'd find this other girl to cheat with. And this was all very public in the tabloids, very public on the Howard Stern show. And it was such a surprise to see the mainstream take that apprentice TV show, which is similar to survivor similar to naked and afraid. It's a reality show, right. That means it has no reality. And they took that as truth that Trump was this powerful millionaire making choices. Sitting in the board room deciding who wins and who loses and somehow that carried over into the mainstream. I think it's very sad to see Jesse Powell and the Winkle Vies sending their money to Trump. It seems incredibly new who reach where they just got some money and now they're in a hurry to get rid of it. And they're randomly giving it to someone else who's actually according to what he says and what they say on paper far richer than them far in less need of this money than perhaps they will be soon. So it is very shocking and very surprising and I agree with Danny. I just don't think he's going to keep his word. He didn't help Bitcoin while he was in office. He didn't free Ross at the end of his last term. I don't know that he would free him at the end of his next term. And if you want to take his word for it, that's fine. But we can look at the track record of other people who have accepted his words such as contractors, people who worked for his hotels, people that worked in his administration. Most of his cabinet will not be voting for him a second time or even his vice president who as it seems on January 20th, they attempted to hang. So Victoria, what do you think about Trump now suddenly raising millions of dollars off of Bitcoin and we did previously have laws in the United States that limited how much money you could donate so that it didn't just look like a billionaire like Elon Musk was buying the election by donating allegedly 45 million dollars a month. It's something that he said that he stopped just as soon as Trump came out against the EV mandates, which of course would be bad for the Tesla auto company. Yeah, I mean, well politics is just a circus, isn't it? And no one does a better circus than the United States. So, yeah, I mean, we've commented on this several times we were in New Yorker two weeks ago just before Nashville, a couple of our colleagues are going to be there along with Daniel today. So, yeah, interesting times. I mean, certainly from the Bitcoin perspective, you know, considering where we were in 2017, what less than seven years ago, where people hardly knew about Bitcoin to now have the presidential candidate. It's literally fighting over who's going to support it is incredible really, you know, in spite of the in spite of the hypocrisy, the fact that everyone's talking about it, I think is a remarkable thing. What's interesting though is that apparently the Bitcoin donations are immediately are being converted to US DC, which probably tells you what's the real feeling is behind the scenes and most of it is then being liquidated for cash donations and a small amount of US DC is being held onto. So, what that tells you about the commitment towards Bitcoin, I'm not sure. I mean, you know, this is going to be a very interesting game to watch play out as I said in my previous comment, I think there's all sorts of shenanigans on the horizon. So, just be careful folks, we know that Bitcoin is the real deal, but you know, it's fighting a powerful enemy and they've got many tricks up there to leave before this game is over. It is very unfortunate that they're not holding the Bitcoin, they're converting it into something else. It does show people right away what this is really about, which is just money and donations. We had another interesting political story that looks like fortunes only letting me read the headline though, crypto CEO Ryan Selkis resigns after tweeting that it's literal war for those who don't vote for Trump. He also tweeted some negative sentiment at a immigrant something about along the lines of immigrants should go home something along those lines. And I just think it's funny that these CEOs and these people think that they've gotten so far and they've gotten so powerful in the world that they can just say whatever kind of negative and mean things that they want on Twitter. At its very core saying literal war saying to the other person that they should go home is so incredibly negative and so obviously not acceptable in society. It's interesting to see that they think it's just okay and even when they're caught they receive kind of a slap on the wrist and everything goes on as normal. The Daniel what do you think about the interesting comments from this crypto CEO and that mainly the larger fact that they think it's acceptable to say this kind of negative stuff in public similar to an analogous not directly to a South Carolina where they were wearing they didn't bother to wear the hoods at the meeting they just came out with without the clan robes. What do you think ten? It's the algorithm making people angry but I get me to it. It's Twitter does that to people who have I think it's a passionate a further that they fall down this rabbit hole and suddenly they think we'll be one of the reasons and they can just say whatever they want. Hopefully this is an eye opener for him and for other CEOs and so far business leaders and you have to be happy. You're a little bit more broadly. But then he works within the sort of an hour sphere and I think people see everything has been similar lines of. I know Ryan's health is. And I'm not going to let this industry. And I think some of my dad could be so aggressive and and really doing it people. I just think it's bad for me to face over a 30. I think for an adult for some reason responsible person and 15 power. And I think it's a very good thing to be able to understand and really be able to hold their own body. When it's someone. Some of the Trump energy has rubbed off on him and people like them and it doesn't always work right. And it was to Trump because he's got the brand. The other people who try to mimic dog. It just looks so. It's like a guest bird. I hope you're. I hope you're. I hope you're. I hope you're. I hope you're. I hope you're. That's a very interesting thing that happens where if people are right about crypto and they're right about technology. They suddenly think that they're right about politics and right about everything else. And I think again, Daniel, like you're saying with the Twitter. He got in there. He got excited. It was a spur of the moment decision to put these opinions out there. Obviously, and it was a mistake. But I think what the larger mistake here is that he was being cruel. He was being cruel to people that have nothing. The immigrants have nothing. He's a rich and powerful CEO. And he was exhibiting public cruelty. And as bad as our society is as bad as it's getting. It's not bad to the point where you can just be publicly cruel. Like whenever you're publicly cruel to a small weaker group. I believe it's going to end badly for you. I believe you're going to have this kind of backlash. You're going to lose jobs. You're going to lose contracts. And it's not even that you're right or wrong about your politics or your opinion. It's that you're being mean. It's that you're being cruel. And I think they should not do that. Victoria, what do you think about the interesting comments from the former crypto CEO? Yeah, I mean, cruel. I think you're absolutely right. I mean, certainly, you know, Bitcoin Twitter can get very toxic. In terms of being very intolerant of other people's opinions. Very kind of draconian and one sided in terms of how to. How to view a particular situation. And ultimately, it's just ego bashing at the end of the day. It becomes meaningless. You know, there's no discussion of the finer points of the technology. You know, as good as Bitcoin is, it still has a number of challenges. It still needs to be overcome. It's by no means a done deal. You know, I think it's going to be a good deal. You know, politics at the end of the day. Is ultimately redundant. If Bitcoin actually fulfills its destiny, um, and so. You know, all of these people are missing all of those things which I think is a real shame because this is a really. Important, world-changing topic. And very few people are discussing it on that level of depth, which I think is. depth, which I think is really sad. I mean, even some of the most prominent voices seem to be missing the point half the time. I mean, I've heard that, you know, Michael Sala is very insistent that it's going to be digital gold and not peer-to-peer cash. And it's just like, okay, but, you know, the one, those of us who've been following the story since the beginning know that that's just one step in its journey. You know, and, you know, gold was only a currency because people were actually using it to trade before it became, you know, just what was supported by the banks. And, you know, Fiat currency only really got its destiny once they stopped gold from being traded in the economy. You know, most of these people only know their financial history back to 1971, you know, their their education is very limited. And, yeah, I think it's a real shame because a lot of people listen to these people and they're only getting half the story. And how does that serve anybody at the end of the day? And to do that with cool comments, it's just like, is it really, is this, is this what humanity's come to? You know, it's shocking really. So yeah, not impressed. I could just add something. I love what you just said. I observed a little report that who has this interesting property with its ability to bring out the personality and the nature of people. If you are a bad person, you'd point about me as a better person. You just emphasize how much a young person you are. Because you're a good person, you're good and good and good and good. You use to improve, I think, in terms of lives, you can use the best tool to bring better property rights and better technology for the transfer of access and to support people who live in poverty and need access to unstoppable money because you're going to stress vitality. There's so many positive these phases that all this negative things doesn't support us, because it helped us drive forward and apolitical work. It's very hard work that people have been doing for years. It's all over China by this angry, political rhetoric and it's particularly because of the civic activity. People are very lovely. I agree, Daniel, it does seem like we've kind of lost touch with the early Bitcoin ideas and it's almost like our cell phone signal is out. We're going through a tunnel. If you look back at what we used to have, we used to have one address and he was out there and he would say things all the time, Bitcoin is not really for the first world. Bitcoin is really for the developing world. It's not really for you. You have a working credit card. You have working cash. You don't lose half of your salary if you hold on to dollars over the weekend. It's really for the other people, but that's not what they're preaching now at these conferences. We've gone from having one address to having no addresses. It's not like we have 300 addresses at these conferences. Like you say, we have the Michael Saylor guy. We have this Bitcoin magazine guy who owns all the Bitcoin media and we have now the CEO BlackRock bragging about how Bitcoin is in his blood. He's been in Bitcoin. I don't know, two years, three years, all along when we really needed these people. When we needed Mark Cuban, when we needed someone like Tony Hawk or basketball player John Sally, they were not here for Bitcoin. Mark Cuban in specific making a video with Rolling Stone where he criticized Bitcoin saying that he would rather buy bananas. It's one thing to not say anything nice about Bitcoin not to comment on it, but it's another thing to put out a direct insult video and then to expect to be taken seriously and go to conferences and talk to Congress and whatever it is. Because again, he's on some TV show that makes it look like a good investor. So it's very strange to go through this dark time without any entrances with all these CEOs speaking about how it's in their blood and like Victoria said, none of them speaking about the amazing changes for people in the world. The ability to send money to anyone even a cause that you don't agree with and have that money be unsensurable and unstoppable and that's what this is really about. But once again, I think we'll be fine. I think we're going to go through the tunnel. We're going to come out on the other side and all these people who have brought the Trojan horse into their walls are on to say, we did what? We brought open source digital money into our walls. We're a payments company. And we make money on the charges. We cannot have this open source digital money inside our walls, but it'll be there. We have a couple more political stories. I'm going to move through maybe a little quicker here. As you guys all know in the last two weeks since we've been off the air, President Joe Biden has decided not to run for reelection, leaving the likely race to be the vice president, Kamela Harris versus Donald Trump. Donald Trump of course was scheduled to speak at the Bitcoin conference there in Nashville, vice president Harris, just beginning her campaign a few days before obviously had no plan to speak. It sounds like a very nice thing. The Bitcoin conference extended her an invitation, which of course she declined because she's just started her campaign. It's a very natural, obvious decline. But then the Bitcoin conference people started attacking Kamela Harris. That's very strange. I'd read very much with Adam Cochran right here at Adams Cochran.Eath. He says it sucks that they couldn't close on this, but it's still an incredibly daft move for the community to continue to attack when campaigns are making active outreach to engage. We should continue to work with anyone who reaches out to try to move constructive crypto policy forward on both sides of the aisle. But all accounts, her campaign team has been reaching out to lobby and groups to make a real effort here. And if all this industry gives back as a cold shoulder, we give them no reason to go work, not go work with anti crypto people or regular Tory capture folks who have given them the time of day. As David Bailey owner of BTC media owner of Bitcoin magazine owner of the Bitcoin conference has said Kamela Harris will not be speaking at the Bitcoin conference. And this is his opinion here that he's added on. And I'm not sure why he's doing this. He says no surprise. What can she say when she's actively imprisoning developers, forcing our industry overseas, attacking proof of work? It would have been a disaster for her. All eyes on Trump now. And there's an additional comment where Mr. Bailey also said that about Kamela Harris, I'm sorry, but you don't just get to quote, screw over our industry for four years, push operation choke point enlist, gensler and warrant as your champions and then just pretend you're hit with Bitcoin. Major Democrat donor told me Kamela privately says Bitcoin is money for criminals. And I would see this as something that we need to change. And also ironically very similar to Donald Trump's public opinions on Bitcoin until suddenly he started accepting it for donations and changed his tone as turn to Mr. on Twitter rights. The person who most believes themselves in victim is always the one who ends up becoming the bully, showing where Mr. Bailey unfortunately attacked Kamela Harris. Just access to the panel here. What do you guys think? Obviously it's very close to her announcement of her presidential campaign. Was it unreasonable for Mr. Bailey to attack Kamela when she all she did is turn down a speaking arrangement? And again, I think we need both sides of the aisle here. Victoria, what do you think about this little kerfuffle here? Well, clearly if she's only just taken over, she needs time to get her act together. I mean, obviously the Trump assassination was a surprise to a lot of people, which seems to have influenced Biden stepping down and then come out and stepping up. So in those situations, you're kind of on the back foot. And the guy who mentioned that the Democrat, the Democrats have been actively hostile towards Bitcoin. They have been trying to shut it down. And even Kamela Harris saying that privately she believes Bitcoin is for criminals. Well, if you think criminals are those who actively go against the law, I mean, the law, the way it is made is what supports our existing currency system. The two are very intimately linked. And ultimately Bitcoin disrupts that. And so from that perspective, Bitcoin is for criminals. You know, you could call anyone who's trying to go against the existing legislation or trying to disrupt the way the system actually works. If you define them as a criminal, then technically, she's right. But of course, most people don't understand that. They think criminals as being people who do bad things. But actually, technically criminals are anyone who does anything that's seen as unlawful. And unlawful is anything that goes against rules that are made by the politicians who's sitting government. And of course, you know, there are many people who maintain that those people are the criminals. You know, if you're talking about things that are unethical or corrupt or people who are doing all sorts of things, I mean, okay, there are a number of rabbit holes you could go down with that one. But the thing is the longer you have a certain kind of law, we've now got to a stage where you make a bad law, which has unintended consequences. You need another 10 laws in order to counteract the bad outcomes for that initial for that initial law. And the longer that goes on, it makes criminals of everybody. And so the problem is, you know, the language, the understanding of our way our world works is becoming more and more convoluted. And so it's really hard for these people to really understand exactly what they're looking at here. You know, they're very focused on which individual person should or shouldn't be doing what. And they're completely missing the big picture. You know, Bitcoin creates an entirely new infrastructure for money, which ultimately will require an entirely new infrastructure for our laws. And our politicians will become largely relevant in that environment. But it's not an idea that many people have really come to yet. And so yeah, we're just watching a drama playing out. People can have their opinions, but ultimately, you know, it's just a show really. There was a time when they said that the whole internet was just for criminals. And I remember that too. It was all the downloading and all the bad things that were up to and use net and all those kind of things. And I just think I agree with a lot of the Twitter posters who said, really common sense things like, if the Democrats are against Bitcoin, we should try to convince them that Bitcoin is good and work with them because we need to work with both sides of the aisle. There's no reason that this is just a Republican coin or just a Democrat coin. I think it's for everybody. And I think we could work together with everybody. And the first step to that is inviting into our conference. And the second step is not attacking them if they say no. I think it's pretty unreasonable. She just started her campaign for president. He knows this. I know this. We all know that we all watched the news. It's been a nonstop. We've been glued to the TV watching the Biden situation. And I just think it was a very unfortunate tweet, Mr. Bailey. And the kind of thing that he should just kind of not tweet that much. It's not the wrong with that. Like your big powerful company, big powerful person. There's no reason you have to share your opinion all the time. Being opinion maker, you could just continue to run your company and not make these kind of dangerous haphazard remarks. But that's happened to many people in the past where they get in trouble on Twitter. And recently Elon Musk is even giving them money to sue people. I forget her name right now, but she was in one of the Star Wars TV shows. And she said some very negative things and was fired from the TV shows and Elon gave her money to sue Disney. And I don't think she got anywhere at all. But Daniel, what do you think about the situation here where Kamala Harris was invited to the convention at last minute, right after she started her campaign. And of course she wasn't available. I mean, we just felt the opportunity. And of course, she wasn't going to be able to respond actively for schedule around. I mean, she's just clicking over as it campaigns right now. And if you're, you know, some of the things going on, like, you know, I've run it down somehow, run it down to things and get the poses. Yeah, it just feels like they saw an opportunity. And Lincoln and Ben and she said, we should have our panelists be a picture convention. There's other politicians who are really worried and scheduled. Yeah, there's maybe not someone necessarily from the democratic side of things. Others are a criminal, I don't think that it's not a hell of a better president. You know, these people who will be at the conference. And I think, you know, this is a time maybe need more outreach in the salt room. And I don't see why. And it shows like if you're going to invite someone to appear in your event, they may be crying for whatever reason to make sure to tap me. But you were never anyone about it in the first place. We never really wanted to. And you were counting on them backing out. They're saying we're taking a memory of just going to throw them for again, just another example of embarrassing or just way of behavior by setting it up. It is too bad. There's also something to be said about the potential security situation and perhaps the secret services interest, especially as Victoria said, given the recent assassination attempt on former president Trump, likely raising the amount of security necessary for the vice president to speak anywhere, even if she wanted to. Finishing out the political issues, there was a great tweet by Alistair Millen, who writes, I will not simply for a politician just because they like crypto now. I will not simply for a politician just because they like crypto now and so forth. I totally agree with that sentiment. And this just came in right before a showtime here. This is from a cab or a girl backs on Twitter. He or she writes, President of Canada, Robert F Kennedy meets Hock Tua girl at Nick Carter's Karate Combat Match at a Bitcoin conference. This simulation is wild and it is very wild to see these two together. And I heard some complaints in the chat of Jimmy Song and other people who are unhappy with the Bitcoin convention saying that it's all celebrities and CEOs and Hock Tua girls. I can't help but totally agree. I think that's what it's come to. That's what people are interested in now. They're interested in the price. They're interested in rich, big, fancy people and celebrity as in other things and they're not really interested in having Bitcoin explain to them. Daniel also mentioned that there is an open source stage at the Bitcoin conference and I do applaud them and celebrate them for that. I think it's fantastic that they're donating any resources at all to the open source community. But it is unfortunate that stage seems to be not live streamed and not recorded, which is just kind of a personal pet peeve for me. I just as a historian, I get very angry when things are not live streamed and recorded because they're not saved for posterity and they're not shared with the wide audience of the internet. For all we know there's some kind of coder out there and if he saw one of these speeches, it could really excite him or her or them or they or whatever and they could make an incredible new software that we're not going to get now because this information is not being shared as widely as it could. So I wish they were live stream and record those speeches. Hey, check out the World Crypto Network. We've got 3,854 videos and they're all free on YouTube. WorldcryptoNetwork.com. A good time for you guys to give us a thumbs up down below during this live show. Moving on to the next issue, VanXe's Bitcoin hitting $2.9 million a coin by 2050 but a lot has to happen first. As it said, as a subtyle, Bitcoin is benefiting from massive economic imbalances, rising distrusts in institutions, physical recklessness and mounting debt bourbon burdens. VanXe's math and e-segal says in an interview, let's go to Daniel. What do you think about VanXe saying Bitcoin could be $2.9 million by 2050? Sure, why not. That sounds great. How are we going to get there? What is going to happen in between now and then for that big place? You know, economic calamity for people who are secure now. How do we mitigate the effects of that happening? If something really has hyperinflation, I think we're more people in the world. I'm not here to celebrate Bitcoin and we can massive all-time high-risk multi-core suffering. So I think it's our responsibility to provide to bring people around with us. That's why I don't want to see Bitcoin and we need a massive bite this year and I'm not sure if it needs a little bit more. We're getting divorced through all those moments of excitement. So I need to be able to ask the bull runs, but we have to present up to getting lost here. As long as we get there in a sustainable manner, I think it'll be fine. But I don't want to see massive companies in the world get up to happen. I agree. Daniel, it was already enough trouble trying to sell people on Bitcoin. Back when it was $5,000 and you'd say, well, you could buy a .1 for $500 and they'd say, oh, that's too much money. Now it's $50,000 and you could buy a .1 for $5,000 or whatever it is now $69, $67, $63, wherever we are today. In general, that idea that we've gone up so much is really galling to people really hard to make them invest. But like you're saying, Daniel, what good is it if Bitcoin is $2.5 million of coin? If 1.2 million will buy you a cheeseburger? I mean, it has to, we have to have some kind of way to spend money. And if we're in out of control, hyperinflation for the normal fiat currencies, Bitcoin would be very valuable, but it'll be disaster for everyone else. Victoria Jones, what do you think about the exciting prediction? 2.5, 2.9 million in 2050? Yeah, I mean, we regularly seem to get the sorts of stories on this show. The figure just changes each day and each time it gets bigger. I think two weeks ago in New Yorker, Ben was saying it, the prediction is $600 billion. That's what it needs, what it needs to be. I mean, the numbers are just nonsense. And to be honest, anyone who's repeating a certain nonsense is misleading the audience because there's no understanding of how finance actually works. You know, you're appealing to someone who's still saving fiat in the bank, in which case that number is appealing. But, you know, as Daniel just says it kind of, and you've just said it, Thomas, it becomes meaningless in a situation of hyperinflation. You know, the issues here are much more complicated. And also the other thing that was mentioned in the article is that, you know, Bitcoin still has a number of obstacles to overcome. And so many cases, people are celebrating as if Bitcoin has already won. And even though it's a very strong product and it's got a very good, it's got a very good trajectory. If people are so influenced by such shallow stories at the moment, all you need is a negative shallow story to make a lot of those buyers run for the hills. And so I would say we're in a very precarious situation. And we need to be very careful. The education of what is going on, how it actually works, encouraging the developers to, you know, to continue to develop Bitcoin in the right way, all really important missions that I think are just getting lost in all the noise. And that's why I know these Bitcoin conferences get a lot of attention and they have major clinical speakers and CEOs and stuff now. But again, for me, the really valuable work is being done by groups like Lamar's Black Bitcoin billionaires, the BBB. They do all these training at workshops. They have open clubhouse meetings where people can ask questions. And when people come out of there, they seem to be well trained. They want to collect Bitcoin slowly. They want a dollar cost average. They want to put in, you know, a hundred bucks a month, something that they can afford. They want to store it on a treasure wallet or a ledger wallet on an offline secure paper wallet. And they want to wait. They're not looking to get rich today or tomorrow. They're fine with five years or 10 years. They understand the value proposition of Bitcoin. They've been taught the fundamentals. And I think that's the kind of education. That's the kind of outreach that we need is not. This kind of hero worship with the big speeches and the famous people, which is great. I'm not against famous people. It's awesome. I wish Taylor Swift would talk more about Bitcoin, right? I wish whoever the other Beyonce, whatever the biggest star in the world is, would start talking about Bitcoin. But until they do, I think the work that Lamar does, the work that Ben does, the work that Daniel does, other people do with this on the roots, on the work, you know, ground out there in the grass roots, explaining Bitcoin to people, spreading the word that way. That's still what we need because these big articles are great, 2.9 million, all that. But it's not as good as just teaching people how it works, how you can send money around without a third party, that kind of thing. Get them to send their first lightning transaction, that kind of thing. That's what we need. Let's move on to the exit question. Predict the future. Daniel, will the price of Bitcoin be higher or lower this time next week? Oh, my favorite question. Why I'm, you know, always going to say, I say, we're going to go higher. Victoria, we had the Ethereum ETF. So Bitcoin went up, Ethereum went down. What do you think will happen this time next week? Yeah, it's looking a little bit tricky at the moment. In August, is not normally a great time for Bitcoin price action. So I'd say maybe lower. All right, so I had complaints about the virtual 8 ball. So I went to a lot of trouble, brought this travel 8 ball with me. But I really don't like it. It's nice on a keychain, but it has non-standard 8 ball responses. And it's just too hard to read. So we're going to use the virtual 8 ball again, despite complaints from the audience. Magical virtual 8 ball, the source of all truth and predictions in this world. Will the price of Bitcoin be higher this time next week? And shaking, it says, Outlook good. Outlook good. The virtual 8 ball is with us. Moving on to the next issue, Bitcoin minor marathon by this 100 million Bitcoin, not 100 million dollars in Bitcoin. Well, it's tough to say it says both. Will once again adopt full, hot old strategy. The minor now owns more than 20,000 Bitcoin and has plans to buy more on the open market. This is a major change for Bitcoin miners with the Bitcoin mining company marathon, showing a real belief in Bitcoin and perhaps a real reality of that $2 million dollar number, saying that if they could just hold on to their Bitcoin, maybe they could be in much more rich and powerful company. Victoria Jones, what do you think about marathon strategy to hold their Bitcoin and the idea that a serious company that has probably millions of dollars in mining is now using a misspelling by a drunk and man posted on a Bitcoin forum, saying that they're going the full huddle. Yes, well, it certainly publicly demonstrates to everyone their commitment, although I would say just by being in Bitcoin mining is a dedicated strategy. The trouble is the price of Bitcoin can be very volatile as many of us have witnessed in the past. The financial system is sharing signs of serious trouble with a number of bank failures. Although we have potential problem with inflation, I think many people don't factor in the problem of deflation, which requires significant understanding to get your head around. In the situation of sudden deflation, the Bitcoin price could suffer. I would caution anyone against being fully invested in Bitcoin right now, absolutely have some, but you just never know. You just have to be so careful because you just don't know what's around the corner and that applies to the miners as well, even more so because we need them to keep working. I'm trying to find that original post about the huddle, but let's just remember all the times that the media told us that huddle is an acronym, and it means hold on for dear life. Daniel, what is it about marathon Bitcoin mining going the full huddle? I think everyone was aware that it was kind of fun. It's not even a hold on for dear life to solve that. The girl in his drunk driver was at a bar when he was drinking and one of these is running with the investors. But yeah, I mean, it's showing I think, it's funny. I am right now at the Bitcoin conference. Right behind me is the mining section, marathon right there. Just on the other side, Michael Seller is speaking. This is emanating throughout the entire conference throughout the business world. Just the other day, we saw hold the Bitcoin rewards app also announced they're taking a Michael Seller Hobbler strategy. I think there's this sign that there's a lot of opportunity for companies that hold Bitcoin on their balance to and begin to pick them one of the Bitcoin standards like approach to running their business. I think it's not for everyone to go that route unless you have serious conviction because as a business, it's been already to write out multiple years of people telling you they're really idiot or investing all of their company's assets into something that is in dollar terms by a volatile. We're not going to be able to make that guess your board. Bitcoin companies will go first because they're the ones that are going to go to the risks and I think perhaps maybe a few years now after you see the playbook play out, it's more like the position where non-get going companies would go to those types of approaches. They're showing how it can be done. They have a meeting and it can be done by other companies yet outside of my business strategy. So I think we'll have to take a look at it later soon, but clearly if this is going to happen, it's going to come from Bitcoin, Bitcoin, and the other companies that are going to make it start out on the first before it will be more of a pet deposit and microsoft even more. Yeah, I think this is a fine strategy. I just think it's a lot better five years ago or 10 years ago. I think if you look at the amount of Bitcoin being produced, how many have already been produced now? I think we're around 18 million, something like that. It would have been better earlier. The Michael Sailer strategy, I liked it a lot better when it was called pirate at 40 and it was just a scam and the guy was collecting Bitcoin and he said he would pay you back later and it turned out that he didn't and he went to jail for it. So if I find a very odd, all these companies are getting the right idea far too late. That's not to say it won't still work for them. That's not to say that my own economy is not pulled onto as much Bitcoin as you can as long as you can, but to see large companies, it's supposedly very smart.com people following my own strategy or the Hadogey strategy is very surprising to me and I also think they're very late, very, very late to the party. As I said, the Hadogey based on this post that was posted to the Bitcoin talk forum by Gain Kiyubi, OP senior member. This was on December 18, 2013, just about five months after the Mad Bitcoin show launched and after the launch of the this show as well, the Bitcoin Group. He says, I am hodling. I typed that twice because I knew it was wrong the first time. Still wrong, whatever. Girlfriends out at a lesbian bar, Bitcoin's crashing. Why am I holding? I'll tell you why. It's because I'm a bad trader and I know I'm a bad trader. Yeah, you good traders can spot the highs and the lows, pit past piffy wing, wong, wang, just like that and make a million old bucks. No problem. Sure, bro. Likewise, the weak hands are like, oh no, it's going down. I'm going to sell. He he he. And then they're going, oh my god, asshole. When the smart traders know what the f they're doing, buy back in. You know what? I'm not part of that group. When the traders buy back in me, I'm already part of the market capital. So I guess who you're cheating day traders, not me. Those top trends saying, oh, you should have sold. Yeah, no shit. No shit. I should have sold. I should have sold moments before every sell and bought moments before every buy. But you know what, everybody is not as cool as you. You only sell in a bear market if you're a good day trader or disillusioned newb. The people in between hold in a zero-sum game such as this traders can only take your money if they sell. So I've had some whiskey. Actually, on the bottle, it's spelled whiskey without an e. Whatever, sue me. But only if it's payable and BTC. Because I am haggling. Yes, that's the original post. It's very surprising to see these big companies backing this wonderful, wonderful, junk and man. But let's keep moving here. Crypto exchange crack and paid Dave Portnoy Bitcoin in a sponsorship deal. The bar still sports chief wouldn't buy Bitcoin at the current prices, but he's always willing to take it as payment. He says he believes in it that much. Of course, he believes in it so much. He said several live streams where he had bought Bitcoin, then decided to sell early, then saw Bitcoin rise, then got upset that he didn't buy enough, but then still thought that it was going back down. Why do companies keep supporting people like this who don't even like Bitcoin trying to buy them? Why don't they buy people who actually like Bitcoin? Victoria, what do you think about this? Very strange. Pete's a reviewer being supported by Crackins for some reason. Well, it wouldn't be the first time that crypto companies have sponsored people who don't like Bitcoin, I mean, FTX did it all the time. Hardly surprising. It goes back to the battle of Yegos again. In that kind of environment, what works is the people who've got the biggest following. I suspect there are a lot of people who've now invested in Bitcoin, maybe didn't invest early enough, but are looking for the same kind of gains. Because it's not happening naturally, they're looking to manufacture a similar kind of rise in the price. One way to do it is to do it in the way it's always worked in the stock market and often getting celebrities to promote a product is one way of it working. It's just a sign of the time. We're at the end of the Fiat bubble. So anything goes. So, yeah, it doesn't surprise me. The fact that he won't buy it suggests that he's not as convinced as people think, although he maintains he could be accept payment in it, but that just proves that he knows how to sell it. So, you know, I'll just get some of the cash. So, yeah, hey, hey. It is an incredible story. It reminds me of my own battle. I've Bitcoin, of course. I was struggling at more like 10 and 300. This guy's struggling at $5K and $50K. And he keeps saying it moved, make these incredible moves. And he can't just give in and say, OK, I made mistakes in the past. In the future, I'm just going to buy this thing and hold this thing. I think it's going to work because that worked so many times in the past. But yeah, it is very sad just paying people to like Bitcoin now. We're paying people that don't like it. We're paying people don't care about it. And I'm reminded, of course, the great quote in Wayne's World One by Garth. And he's like, it's like people only do things because they get paid. And I just think that's really lame. And of course, he's wearing a full Reebok sweatsuit and he's drinking a Pepsi and they just got done doing it. Pizza Hut ad and they're just making fun of product placement. But it's really stuck with me as we get more and more disingenuous. And I wouldn't care what this port. And I claims it all because I don't care about leaders in that way. And I think it's sad that we're trying to get the kind of people who care about leaders, the kind of sad, cheap followers. And that we're trying to get them into Bitcoin now. And I think there's still lots of plenty of interesting people we can get first. Daniel, what do you think about Dave Portnoy, the pizza reviewer being paid to like Bitcoin? Are we in that part of the cycle again? It's the same thing every time. You know, we get what that point is people just start catching in. It's that it was the meme that South Park, that's the four steps to success. And it's all catching in and growing down. That's what they want to do. Oh, yeah, the Washington Reds. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah, the day, right, they just want to see their back and down balance get there. They're not here for the revolution. So yeah, it's just more noise. No signal. It's just sad state of affairs. We're going to keep doing the work we do year after year. And we're just going to watch these these rifters come and go. It's just natural because Bitcoin has that attraction that brings in people like that, like, you know, maw's to a flame. You know, we're over the target. We know that. That's why it's bringing more attention to people like this, which is one of the big, big fun. Good for them if you can make money. Go for it. But that's what your one skill is. You know, you can sell yourself out. That's just fine. Most of us, I think, have work integrity. So we'll just continue to huddle and learn and spread the word about Bitcoin to the outside of the hands and do what you do. And I think Victoria nailed the true horror here is that Portinoid doesn't understand Bitcoin. Now he's being paid in Bitcoin and he's very likely going to sell this Bitcoin and do another video in a couple years where he says, oh man, I should have held that Bitcoin. What a mistake that was. And it's even worse now that he's being paid to be a crypto influencer that cracking his for some reason decided to waste their money on this guy. Speaking of waste of money and interesting characters, Brian Armstrong has asked to be taken off of the giving pledge. I don't know if you guys are aware, but Brian Armstrong is now a billionaire apparently with 11.5 billion dollars worth of net worth. And he had promised to donate a large portion of this money when he passes away. And he's recently decided not to. And I just think again, it's just such a bad, bad face move. Like let's say he's not going to do it. Why not just wait until you die and then don't do it. And then no one will know. And then you can give it to your kids or whatever you want to do or build a big monument to yourself, maybe a big cement tower. I don't know what his plans are for the 11.5 billion dollars. I assume it's something like he thinks he could spend it better than this massive charity that he was going to donate, which I assume is the same charity that war and buff it and Bill Gates and other massive massive net worth individual donate to. But another loss of faith for face for Bitcoin and other unnecessary unforced error. The Daniel really quick, what do you think about Brian Armstrong removing himself from the giving pledge? Yeah, Brian Armstrong took the museum self from anything we are the good point. And they've never really were just some supporters. You want to just grab your bag or quickly need to be money. We all come out on this. So I don't know. I don't know. I don't have much of an opinion on this. It is unfortunate that he signed it and then he changed his mind. Victoria Jones, what do you think about Brian Armstrong backing off from the crypto giving pledge? I think he's suffering from a dilemma that a lot of suddenly wealthy people end up having to deal with. And that is if you become known wealthy, the chance of you being approached by someone with nefarious intentions and a better offer for that money is highly likely. And I suspect that's what's happened. And part of the deal is that he comes out publicly and says he's no longer going to give that money to the giving pledge anymore. It's almost like selling a soul to the devil. It's just like you have to prove that you're you're now a tyrant before you can start to make progress in the new world. So yeah, it doesn't very sad, but it doesn't surprise me. Unfortunately. It reminds me a lot of Mark Zuckerberg with Facebook, where on the face of things we're supposed to believe that Facebook is a force for good in the world and that Zuckerberg is improving things and that he actually cares about the planet and so on and so forth in reality, according to public news reports. He's building an underground bunker in Hawaii and he's planning to survive an end of the world, Doomsday type scenario, which is not what you want to hear from the CEO of a massive company that's supposed to be a positive force for good the world. You want to hear that he's engaged that he wants to help the world, not that he's laughing at Trump jokes and quietly privately supporting Trump despite the potential damages to our world. And and yet that's the kind of thought that we're getting from the people from these weird families. It's almost as if it's almost as if there's like a prominent red trying to get it all to topics for the special Superman city CEO is giving bad things. It's almost like you plan that. Well, and people that are they're very good at one thing. They're incredibly focused. They're like baseball players and they only learn to hit and they don't play the field and they don't know how to run the bases and they don't know the rules to the game, but they're great hitters. And the thing is there's more to life than just hitting and I don't think these people are seeing it and Brian going back on this giving pledges just such a bad public move and I don't know what he's going to do with the money otherwise. Maybe a Scrooge McDuck money pin the kind of thing you can just swim in, you know, that kind of thing. Victoria, what do you think did you have more on the Brian issue here? I think I said it all right. Well, I just wanted to touch on that a little bit there. Sorry again, Brian, to give you a hard time. You're worth the $11.5 billion. You obviously more important than anyone on world. But yeah, just a bad look. Just a bad look for Bitcoin. I wish we could just not do that next time. We have a little bit of news here. According to Bitcoin film fest, at Bitcoin Film Fest on Twitter, rumor has it that one of the biggest Bitcoin hacks in history is headed for the silver screen. Apparently, Amazon MGM studios will be working on a new movie, subtitled, titled So far, Dutch and Razzlecon with productions starting this summer. We've talked again, of course, about the bit for next hack that was allegedly taken down by the script, Kidney's Dutch and Razzlecon, his wife who made a wrapping career on the internet on YouTube and such. We predicted there would be a film. Now they are making a film. Victoria, any predictions for this film? Do you think it'll be good, bad, sensationalist? Focus on the YouTube wrap entirely too much or maybe the relationship or maybe just the money? I think it's whatever they can do for entertainment, really. I think the fact that she had such an unusual career, I'm sure they'll make something out of that. A lot of these hack stories do make good stories. Most of us were fascinated by them at the time. It's like, how did they get away with that? Sometimes some of the stupidity that was involved as well, what you could actually get away with at that time. It's a historical narrative if they do it well. It could certainly have some value, but I think a lot depends on the production value. There are quite a few films out there on Bitcoin. Every so often on YouTube, I'll see one come up the latest Bitcoin documentary that will sometimes have different characters, sometimes have the same characters. Some we know, some we don't know. More often ones we know. But yeah, there's a lot of them around. So it'll be interesting to see how they try and make it different. Or will it just go into the pit of obscurity like many of the others? I do look forward to the hacking montage. I'll bet it's going to be a lot of stuff like the Watergate Berberley putting some tape over a lock, jumping into a garbage dumpster to search for the secret documents. That kind of thing, inner cut with of course the wraps of Rosalcon and her crazy outfit and her costumes and all of that could be it could be a decent movie. I don't know. I have some I'd say middle of the road hopes. Daniel, what do you think about the possibilities for Dutch and Rosalcon, the movie? I will hold out any gun like that. I see that you've been really defensive. I want to meet the news and stories. There were a lot of Bitcoin documents and there's got to be some. I think we have an opportunity to create more and innovative, real science-sick and ridiculous stories about what they will be like. And I'm going to meet a lot of years where I heard Bitcoin has achieved a much higher level adoption. I haven't seen anything like that. One of the best Bitcoin themed movies I've seen is still from 2015 and it's the movie called Don't. Which we haven't seen it. I haven't written anything. It even holds up pretty often this day. I think we're going to be able to test the story and how Bitcoin is used to collect a little bit of ice history. You get out of a lot of trouble. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know if I'm going to watch a lot of movies these days. I'm even in the documentary that hasn't been out yet. So a little nervous about how I'll be portrayed in that. But again, I don't necessarily think we need another different documentary this year. I think what we need are more creative and focused on. I mean, after the movie that we all want to section the world and we're going to be going to be going. That's what I want to see. I remember the dope movie, but it was quite a long time ago to remember the details. Another good Bitcoin movie is on HBO. It's a multi-part documentary called The Anarchists. And it talks about the Anarchapoco Convention and some of the interesting things that happened down there. No spoilers. I'd also suggest the movie Dumb Money. While it's not really about Bitcoin, it's about the GameStop stock issue from a few years ago. I really enjoy the way it has a lot of modern music and the way it shows kind of the underclass or the plebs during the COVID crisis and how they had a very hard position to work with. And some of them were able to use GameStop stock to get ahead. And in that way, it's a positive movie, although now I'm not so sure with the recent complete collapse of the GameStop stock. And again, I think the obvious Bitcoin movie, second, I would love to see Daniel's idea of the sci-fi space movies and futuristic Bitcoin movies, things like that. I don't think Hollywood's there yet, but why not just the Satoshi story? Make up anything you want and say it's Satoshi. I of course am voting for the Trinity Satoshi with the old man, the young man, and the kind of jack of all trades because you really do need these kind of multi variant people to make Bitcoin. It's not these CEOs out there that I just talked about who can only hit the ball who are making Bitcoin. It's these other people who can hit the ball, run the ball, catch the ball, get to second base, all the different kind of rules and tools that you need to understand Bitcoin. And I think that would be all there in the Satoshi movie and you can have a bunch of spy stuff and do they find out about us or did he tell his wife or should we have that guy killed and all that kind of stuff? And what's great is you don't need to pay anyone for this story like FTX or Razzle Con or any of these people. You just make it up in the old way that Hollywood used to do and they used to make up new ideas for movies rather than just doing sequels and remakes. So that's what I would like to see in our final kind of story today is that Crypto.com put an advertisement on the Las Vegas sphere. And sadly, I'm not in Las Vegas to see it, but Las Vegas locally, a fantastic Las Vegas Twitter account writes Bitcoin made an appearance on the sphere last night and instantly became the coolest cryptocurrency. So there it is a little Bitcoin on the Las Vegas sphere to play you out here towards the end of the show. We're going to go to the predictions or story of the week, Victoria Jones. Are you ready with a prediction or a story of the week? Go ahead. Well, my story of the week is my next newsletter is due out on Sunday. I did my talk Bitcoin and tulips in New Yorker two weeks ago and that video is now available on my YouTube channel. But I'll be adding to that with my latest newsletter on Sunday, which means that my last newsletter, Bitcoin and politics, and he has two more days for free access. So if you're interested in that, make the most of it because there'll be a new one up on Sunday. All right, and everyone can check that out at satoshispages.com. Very good, Victoria. And Daniel, you're at the Bitcoin Convention there in Nashville. Before you give us a prediction or a story of the week, maybe show us around a little bit. What's going on at the convention there? So right now, I'm, it's a said before, sort of sandwiched between the mining section and the open source thing. I think that's where we're going. Here we go. So I don't want to get there because right over here is the financial screen, and it's going to HRF, Husbanding, going on their talks. I think on a check of it, is there right now speaking with a couple of other, I think, with me on the class of up class is also there. A lot of playing, I think, see from the screen. Two three people, but I have a great deal of special work for providing support to people who are dissidents who are needed, I run the world so there was money for, and I think it was during the dispute causes. That's what I do. Bitcoin is actually a lot of people like that, I'm doing a museum work. I want more attention to focus on the trade, not more some dancing, or some celebrity, which is saying, and I hope that more people find their way into Bitcoin through humanitarian, to this human rights focus, that's where it's linked to all the sensationalism. And then my slowly agreed that we have one, even about the conference, it's about Twitter taking off the Bitcoin symbol from the hashtag, Bitcoin. And how now will we ever know who's the scammers and bots are on Twitter when they copy and face their meets. And every time they do it, that space after the word Bitcoin grows, you can see that they copied and pasted it 10 times because they're just trying to get between Bitcoin and the next quarter. We're not going to know that anymore. They're actually making it easier for the scam bots to replace those, the Bitcoin hashtag, you have the same thing, you're the icon host. So just another laughable panel, just some stupid arbitrage decision, which we made by the party, I think, is really a silly problem. That's really too bad. I hadn't heard that yet. Daniel, I did hear on the web version of Twitter, they're going to change the water pistol emoji into a real gun emoji. And I wonder why they're doing that as well. Makes no sense unless you're kind of saying, we want more violence. And I just, I don't understand that. But yeah, the same thing, we're moving the Bitcoin symbol from the hashtag. That's too bad. It's one of the things that I like about Twitter. And whenever it happens and I type in Bitcoin, it comes up as I'm like, oh, that's nice. None of the other coins have that. But we probably always go back to NOSCUR. You can always go to NOSCUR, you're the last day. You still have your icon on Nathan's. Yeah, but they probably have it on a dozen other things and they probably have a little process you can apply and they're probably marking all the new coins and all of them to work. I don't know. But no, that is too bad about Twitter. They're just making some crazy decisions over there. They also decided to move out of San Francisco and sell their historic building on Market Street, which I can tell you never sell land in California because you'll never be able to go back. And I think Elon will find that out soon enough. But thanks to everybody for joining us today. Be sure to give us a thumbs up down below. Shout out to anybody that's at the Bitcoin conference in Nashville having fun. Keep an eye out for Daniel there. If you find him, he'll give you his ticker that says Pub-Key, something like that. You can also check out Pub-Key. It's a bar in New York City and they're Bitcoin themed. So if you're in New York City, go check that out. It sounds like a really fun place to hang out. So thanks again to everybody for joining us. Until next time. Bye.