The Bitcoin Group, the American original, for over the last 10 years, the sharpest citossis, the best bitcoins, the hardest cryptocurrency talk. We'd like to welcome our panelists, Dan Eave, the crypto raptor. Greetings, folks. Happy Holvening. Josh Shagalla from thestandard.io. Happy Holvening. And I'm Thomas Hunt from the World Crypto Network, moving on to issue one, the Bitcoin Havning. According to theHavning.com, a website we've been using for the last two Havnings, there are now 28 blocks remaining, 27 blocks remaining, about four hours, 29 minutes, 55 seconds, from the fourth Bitcoin Havning, the third Bitcoin Havning covered by the World Crypto Network. We're going to talk about it during this show, then we're going to take a break, start another show, and we're going to invite everybody on the internet randomly last minute with no planning and try to have another great Havning party like we did in 2020, like we did in 2016. But you're here for the news. issue one, Bitcoin Havning, partially priced in with no big rally expected afterward, says Deutsche Bank, a name you can trust. The Havning, aka Bitcoin Bros World Cup, is Nye, according to CNN, except it's not a World Cup because there is no competition, and it's not a very good analogy, except that it happens every four years, like the World Cup. But even that is four years on average, it's based upon the blocks not the years. Dan Eve, what do you think about the Bitcoin Havning? Havning number four. Oh goodness, those Bitcoin Bros A with their World Cup, the Bitcoin bloody. These articles are just so funny. You could tell when she wrote that, she was like how she was writing it, she was like Bitcoin Bro, well, couple of harvesting. All she meant to say was just I should have bought some, and yes, everyone was right, and we're probably going to see another all-time high soon. These articles, they're just 10 of any still, even now, the institutions are involved, and the black rock here, and fidelity, and stuff like that. But they're still sat there on the sidelines going, trying to poop who on Bitcoin, spoil the party, and peel the bonfire, whichever other analogies he'd use. Yeah, Bitcoin's not going anywhere, and it's halving, in fact, staying in the same place, but half of the emissions schedule. It is an exciting event, as usual. Josh Tagalog, what do you think about the Bitcoin Havning? Well, I've been holding onto my silver ingot here. There's a beautiful piece. It's the year of the dragon, I think, that's what it got. It's still got the dead queen on the back here. That's nice. And it hasn't done anything. In fact, 2021 is pretty much where it is now, and Bitcoin is somewhere else. So, we don't know how much silver there is. We don't know how much gold. And look, take it from me. I'm a massive gold silver bug, too. Like I love gold and silver. But Bitcoin is the hardest money in the world. It is the rarest number in the world. We have now, basically, it goes from what, what is it? How many years we're going from? This is how much I've lost count. I think it's like six and four or a- We're going from six and a quarter to 3.125. Bitcoin, right? So every 10 minutes, BlackRock's buying 10,000 a day, some days. And we're generating around 900 a day. So, yeah. And then after the harboring, it'll be, you know, like, 350. Something like that. No, 450, sorry. I don't know. Something just. Or Fitty. Little. Yeah, 4.50. 3.50. Yeah. 3.50. 3.50. And here you go, Josh. Here's the price of silver recently. There we go. Look at it. Look at it. Oh, God. How depressing. Absolutely nightmarishly depressing. Well, they say that it's all manipulated. And we'll wait and see if this is what happens to the Bitcoin price. If eventually they'll crush it. The thing is that I don't think they'll even be able to crush it with all their tools on Wall Street, because there's just so few of these things. All you can do is divide them down to smaller and smaller units, which means price go up. It is number go up technology. And we'll see that apart from the number go down technology in terms of its issuance. So it does. It does seem like if you had bought silver four years ago, it would be the same price as it is now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So the true stablecoin, I've got to say, but it's not a stablecoin because inflation has gone insane over the last four years. So. Yeah, Peter Schiff's Peter Schiff. These narrative is pretty shifty. Look, I just want to iterate. Shifty, shifty pants, Peter Schiff, he pants. His it really isn't that bad like his thesis is good. It is important to diversify. If you're young and you've got a lot of time to re-earn stuff and you can save and handle a eight year bear market, which potentially could be after this bull market, which was skyrocket like crazy, we could see like an eight year bear market because the bear markets get longer the higher the bull market is. And every year, every bull cycle we've seen it go longer and longer the bear market, the consolidation over time. So. So, you know, we could still see that. Although, you know, go back to my thesis, we there's just too few, there's too few of these things that are too to control. So, we're a silver is still very ambiguous. You can mine it all around the world. There's quite a lot of it. In fact, there's a lot of the time they're not even mining for silver. It's just a byproduct that they're also fine. And they're like, oh, cool. I can make 32 bucks here. And, you know, the thesis was always from the silver bugs. Well, they want to control it because they don't want true money. They want their fee out money to reign. If silver kept on going up, it would be seen as good money. And this is what we're seeing with Bitcoin. So, Bitcoin is really great money. And, you know, in terms of, yeah, I mean, let's go under the next topic. I want to bore everyone here. I wonder if silver bugs, now that the Bitcoin and gold, Bitcoin and markets so big, that silver bugs now say, well, you know, Litecoin is, silver is like Litecoin to Bitcoin, like compare it. You know, they now, just to say like, well, Litecoin is silver to gold. You know, yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, it's time for that. It's time for, it's time for the Litecoin to, I think Litecoin has a position here because Bitcoin, you know, it's all part of the whole scaling debate. And it's funny that, I, you know, Vlad's blowing up with his thing with interviewing Roger Verne. And I find it interesting that this debate isn't going to be over ever because there's always going to be more that people want to do with Bitcoin. There's always, it's always going to want to scale further and further and further. So I don't think the debate's over. I think it's a very, very interesting debate. It's something, if we were a private company, we'd be debating it behind closed doors and secret and then bringing out some flash resolve. But in Bitcoin, it's dirty and gritty and everyone has to see all the nonsense that happens behind closed doors, you know. And to go back to silver for just a second, I think it's important if silver is the one greatest money. But like Josh says, it's been destroyed by manipulation than it wasn't the one greatest money. So many philosophies and other things don't actually plan or prepare for the real world. You can't just have a philosophy in a vacuum where you're like, if all of the other governments in the world disappeared tomorrow, we would use our government system because that's an absurd plan. We need boots traffic, right? And that's the beauty of this whole Satoshi plan in this Bitcoin system. When it started out and everyone laughed at it, that was the time to buy. That was the Roger Vier billionaire and all these other people buying. But as the price goes up and the amount of currency goes down because of the halving, we keep seeing these events. We keep seeing these things turn over. And Bitcoin goes from being this complete joke on somebody's computer to a major world currency reported on every single day on CNBC. We have to see again, this is by design, right? The halving is part of this design. Every four years we see a ton more interest in Bitcoin. And now I want to go back to Deutsche Bank and predict the future for I have seen the past. They say there will be no big rally afterwards. This is not a very large prediction. If we look at the halvings in the past, here's what's going to happen. Actually, I have a graphic. Let me go to the graphic. As you can see here with the graphic, block number 839998 comes through. No one cares. 999. The halving comes through. Everyone cares for about 30 minutes. And then the next block continues. So yes, nothing will happen. Bitcoin won't crash. It won't even send out a message like happy, happening, merry, happening, nothing like this. So what will happen is all the people who bought on speculation who don't know anything about the halving, even what it is, even the idea that the currency production rate is decreasing by 50%. A big deal if you have a locked currency, there only has 21 million units. But if you don't know those two facts, and you just bought because the halvings a big fancy event, you look at it and you say, that all of them mean, I don't have it ready, but poking Bitcoin with a stick. And you're, come on, do something. And it doesn't do anything because the price is not connected to the issuance directly. It's going to be a supply shock. So it's going to take time for people who have a cupboard full of Bitcoin and are used to buy and tend at a time to realize they can only get five at a time. And their cupboard keeps getting emptier and emptier. Until pretty soon, there's no Bitcoin. And if they have a business like an exchange or something like that, which requires having more Bitcoin, they're going to have to pay more to get the same amount of Bitcoin. But it's not going to happen overnight. So it's going to be a disappointment to everybody who's trained on the media and wants things to just be real simple and real easy. So get ready for it. Like I said, price goes down. Everybody sells because it didn't happen instantly. Everybody else says, I thought it could never go down. They sell too big bunch of selling. And then as it goes on, supply shock takes care of itself. There's only three Bitcoin every 10 minute instead of six. That's going to happen. And it happened last time. And it was about the same thing. Everybody wanted to go off right away and it doesn't. But I do know one person that goes off right away, the greatest predictor of all time of Bitcoin history said it was going down last week. It went down. The panel was wrong. The ball is right. The ball is always right. Now Dan, Eve, higher or lower this time, next week, keeping in mind that you are predicting against the Bitcoin predictor ball, the baldest and truest source of all prediction in the world. I'm going to be controversial and say this. It's probably going to be a little dip because of post-puffing blues. And then just a little dip before the moon. Post-havening news, Josh Agala, what do you think? Yeah, I think. Yeah, I feel what you just said there in a nutshell, everyone go, it's kind of like New Year's Eve. It's a guy, you expect this whole big. It's going to be the best, especially like you, 2000. All you do is nurse a massive hangover the next day. But yeah, it'll go down. And then it'll go like after, I think after like three weeks or something, we're going to start seeing a massive rise start. And the Phoenix will fly. But for this week down. Well, that's why we want to go back to this idea of manipulation. Like Josh is saying, if you're a Bitcoiner and you're out there, like this is the greatest thing in the world, how could it ever go down? And while you're saying other people who are very smart sell, other people who don't have information sell, and people who watch that and just sell or buy based upon what's happening, they also sell. So there will be some sells. The price might go down. But as many people have said in the past, buy the dip, it's an opportunity, all of those things. But I often find myself, buy the dip, and I'm already all in the Bitcoiner, whatever. There's no money left to buy the dip. But now we'll ask the ball, will the price of Bitcoin be higher this time next week? Keep in mind, we do have a havening coming up this evening. The ball says, don't count on it. Don't count on it. The ball is pessimistic. The ball has spoken, not financial advice. It's a magic ball. But yes, magic ball advice, yes. Moving on to issue two, Jamie Diamond is back again. I didn't think we'd get to do this article in 2024, but here it is again. Jamie Diamond calls Bitcoin a fraud and a Ponzi scheme and says the crypto is hopeless as a currency. I love this. They always move the goal posts. They always say, oh, you know, you can have a massive market cap and oh, you can be on every exchange and every TV in the world. But you're still not a currency. But here he is again, Jamie Diamond, CEO of JP Morgan Chase, a company that is getting into Bitcoin against their CEOs wishes, a person whose daughter was into Bitcoin years ago, probably made more money than her father has working in finance. And now he's back again saying Bitcoin's a fraud, a Ponzi scheme. In the past, he called it a pet rock. Josh Shagalla on this excellent day of havening, isn't it fun? We get to see our own pal, Jamie Diamond one more time. No, Jamie, Jamie, Jamie. I think he's just sort of a massive sour grapes. But I can, like the fact that the guy doesn't know what a Ponzi scheme actually is, because a Ponzi scheme is a very, very understood mechanic that you have to get new people in to make the old people whole. And Josh, it's a term of art. It's not like a Ponzi scheme, like just a scheme. A Ponzi scheme means a circular scheme where everyone pays into the man in the middle. So imagine a big circle. All the money goes to one person. If we had a Ponzi scheme, Satoshi would get some kind of funding. And he would get all the funding from all the people. And then he would be the Ponzi. But the problem is, it's a Ponzi scheme without a Ponzi. And this is a technical term. Ponzi scheme is a person's name. Sorry to interrupt. Go ahead, Josh. Yeah, yeah. No, no worries. Yeah, it's, you know, I can understand that there is a slight feeling of, you've got to, you know, to make the price go up, you've got to get more people. But that's with every single thing in the free market. If more people want it, the price is going to go up. That's just how it is. The fact is, you know, there's a, there's a lot of talk. And I touched on it before about scaling Bitcoin again. It's sort of been rearing its head again. And I feel that, I feel that the fact is that we have thousands and thousands of altcoins. And even if each one of those individual alt is centralized, the sum of everything, it's the idea of private money is now out of the bag. And, and, and, you know, all of, all of those currencies, all of them means that you just cut the government cannot shut down every single one of them. So if the government was to shut down or destroy Bitcoin as the one and, and first, people would just jump ship to something else. Manera, something, I don't know, you know, so the idea that, that we can't scale it. The whole system is scaled already. You can use all sorts of different ways of moving value, whether that values the perfect money right now is just nonsense. And for Jamie Diamond, not to understand that, not to grasp the fact that, wow, we now have rare digital assets. It is, is nuts, you know, that he, someone that in such a high position doesn't get it. To me, means the guy should be fired by the board of directors for just being an absolute idiot. To publicly say that he's an idiot as well. To, to be so publicly an idiot is, is, is, is me, is for me really strange. Yeah. Well, in a lot of ways, this goes back to what I said on the last thing about Bitcoin and bootstrapping, the way Satoshi designed this system, 21 million coins, every four years on average, a halving of the production of those coins, created this thing where years ago Diamond could dismiss it and say, oh, it's a pet rock. It's a joke. And everyone would listen to them. They quote them in the art of the articles and they'd say, he must be right. He's the CEO. It's a pet rock. It's a joke. But the way they didn't unfold it, Bitcoin actually being the product, the MVP actually being the product. It didn't matter. It kept increasing as the halving structure continued as more people got into Bitcoin as the system continued. And they keep losing now. Now they can't seem to win anything. Dan Eve, what do you think about Jamie Diamond continuing to attack Bitcoin even after his own company has filed for an ETF and his desperate to get a hold of these sweet, sweet Bitcoin funds? Yeah. It's not, it's, it's reached a point right where it's, it's not looking good for him. And I'm not saying that as just a Bitcoiner. But just it's not looking good. If all these other companies are involved at such a huge level now, to be one of the, the last few remaining old man yelling at the skies, it is not a great look, especially when you're unable to recognize one of the biggest financial, or the biggest financial like invention in history, like it's, it's, it's crazy. And I can understand being pessimistic about him saying like, you know, we don't recommend that, you know, clients, but more than X amount of their portfolio and make it, you know, all the general sort of stuff, but, but pooping the way he's done so far and saying it's like the lump of coal, it's, it's fraud and Ponzi is again, it's just a ridiculous term. And as you pointed out, Ponzi is keen without Ponzi. And like the Josh's point about, of course, it needs more people to get involved. Like, that's like, like Metcalf's Law is like the fun, the value of a telecommunications network is proportional to the square number of connected users. You need like Facebook wouldn't have value if there, if there were just three people using it, these things need to be used in order to get value, they just get, they're either more value from the more usage that they do have as they become embedded in society. But yeah, so it's ludicrous to say that something relies on, but being becoming popular, because most things that they have in terms of assets that are built and manufactured rely on it being bought and being popular in some form of way. So it's just a ludicrous statement to make and the fact that, and there are really good analogies for Ponzi's that are actual Ponzi's like the retirement scheme is a, is a, is a very, very strong case for Ponzi because you need more people born to, that, that get into the workforce to pay for the elderly that are retiring due to inflation. The elderly cannot save into their 401ks or their superannuation schemes enough because inflation is going to kill that. And so you always need new workers coming in, putting in taxes and everything else for the government to like, so there you have a really strong Ponzi. I don't see Jamie Diamond talking about their retirement fund being a Ponzi scheme. You know, I just think again, he needs a lecture in these kind of scam terms like a pyramid scheme has a structure and you would be under somebody and they would get money and they would be under somebody and they would get money. That's a pyramid scheme. It's a specific thing. It's not just like pyramid because it's like a triangle or something. There's actually something to it. Not like again, Ponzi is his name. There's like Emilio Ponzi or something like this. And he had a scheme where he got paid from everybody else and like Josh is saying, he used the new money to pay off the old money. And that's not a Ponzi scheme. It's a triangle scheme. Yeah, it's a triangle scheme. Totally. Jamie Diamond still. I'm seeing about there. Didn't they didn't they try and like clone Z cash or something and they they try to build they spent a lot of money building an internal blockchain and they just got thrown down the can. So maybe like he's peed off that they don't, Jay Pimaul can doesn't have any Bitcoin product. So the only way they can stay relevant is by him moaning about Bitcoin until they've got a product to come to the table. It is it is funny and we have heard it before from people who worked inside of banks and stuff. It's not uncommon for them to have a whole project, all the code, all the marketing, all the everything we're going to do. And then just decide we're going to kill it. So it's very possible they had multiple Bitcoin exchange type ideas inside of their company worked out all the way and then decided at the end they couldn't do it for whatever reason. Well, it is interesting. It is interesting. It is a really good example of that. Meta, the whole, you know, meta, they were doing it just before they rebranded to meta right, Facebook bucks. I have a video of me talking in 2011 saying that meta like that Facebook is going to come out with their own coin eventually and and it came true but then quickly got crushed by regulators because that's why private money is never taken off. That's why Satoshi was anonymous because he needed that anonymity to launch because governments do not like private money. They don't like competition as Ron Paul likes to see. We talk often about Prometheus and how he brought fire to man and then he was rewarded for this. He was a chain to a rock and a vulture comes every day and eats his liver. So Satoshi probably heard this story, thought he was bringing fire to man and didn't want to be chained to a rock and tortured forever. So it's a good reason for this anonymity not just to piss off the media who's just upset they can't get an interview. Well, let's keep moving. Check out worldcryptonenetwork.com. We've got 3660 videos and more all for free on YouTube and on worldcryptonenetwork.com. We've got a lot of short videos these days. You can click on this day and see what we're doing. Looks like we were planning a Bitcoin happening party live on April 19, 2020. Back in 2019 we had the Bitcoin op tech newsletter in 2018. Today in Bitcoin show 2017 there was an on the record show with tone veys in 2015 transmission number 32 with Theo Goodman talking about the world series of Bitcoin. And in 2014 this weekend we can cryptos number 10. So this video is almost every day every year at worldcryptonenetwork.com. Check out issue three. Jim Kramer recommended buying Ethereum or Bitcoin instead of this stock. Let's not fool around. And he's talking about marathon digital and I think they're a mining company. But the big thing to me about this article is that Jim Kramer mad money. One of the talking heads on TV that tells you to buy the stock after it's gone up is now telling you to buy Ethereum or Bitcoin directly. I just thought it's great that he's recommending the underlying asset not recommending buying stock in some company. Josh Chagall what do you think about the big turnaround for Jim Kramer who also I think insulted Bitcoin for years and yet is still a trusted financial advocate who could watch on TV and buy the things that he buys if you want to lose money too. Well I think it's probably a bad thing because everything that he recommends tends to go down. The problem with the media is and you see it with all your friends. If you guys in the chat here give us a like if this has happened to you but like when people recommend when when Bitcoin's down in the dumps and the bear markets in full swing nobody's talking about it Jim Kramer is not talking about it the tick is not on there. We've mentioned this before on the show it's just not a thing and as soon as there's all time highs they're all talking about it they're all recommending it like like absolute fool. It's like if you get I don't know could you imagine some company selling jeans or whatever and the jeans are like now we're selling it at the highest price it's ever been and all the shows are talking about it by these jeans they're amazing and then when they're on sale like 50% off no one mentions them no one talks about the same jeans you know I don't know it's just it's just strange that the world tends to look when the higher the price is higher all your friends start ringing you oh I've heard the Bitcoin things going up oh yeah look and you don't as as someone like that's you know talking head on this in this space we don't want to recommend something at the all time highs so I just get really peed off because all the all the televisions are talking about all the television shows in the mainstream may then call me saying hey should I buy it I'm like I don't want to say because right now where you should have done it when no one was talking about it you should have called me when no one was talking about it instead it's now and it gets awful because then the price tanks and then you get the second call what the hell man what's happening to the price of life you know it's just awful it's just awful I agree Josh it is hard for those people to buy when no one's talking about it they have to be out there on their own but once everyone's talking about it you almost have to say don't buy you almost have to say wait and wait this out especially when Jim Kramer comes around but it's it's hard for me to to really even look at this financial news and look at this whole idea of financial news and not see it as satire or parody every time they're telling you about something that happened yesterday they're like and Vita is a really good stock today now that you learned about AI and that they're building AI machines very rarely is it and Vita's building AI machines and we think they're going to work and you should buy it for the future it's very rarely that these days it's always the tech markets going nuts and they show you what happened yesterday and then if you invest you get to be like Josh said the loser who loses money when everyone around you is making money so I don't understand why people watch these things I know I it seems almost like wrestling like people think they're watching it either two ways they're like dumb and they're like oh stock recommended buy or they're smart and they're like oh these guys are idiots I'd never do what they say and maybe they're shorting or they're leveraging or they have some kind of other plan or they just think it's funny or it's like wallpaper I don't know why these things are on but these people are recommended geniuses and they're always wrong they're just consistently always wrong but much like our our prediction system here if you don't keep track of it you just say it's 100% every time then you're 100% right and who's to prove it because you didn't keep any track Dan Eve what do you think about Jim Kramer and the media in general coming around to Bitcoin this time well Kramer's worrying because as soon as he backs an asset he usually tanks and now I'm fearful but we see this with Bitcoin time and time again as Josh said when the price is pretty pretty dull and I already talked about it and then as soon as the price starts getting exciting again everyone's talking about it and it's the thing that we see around which is that you know the people they're interested in technology but only fewer really interested in the technology right is the price the number go up is what really excites people but ultimately like when people just you were saying like when people approach you and they say you know I should I buy now should I buy now like the thing I always say is I can't tell you to buy but all I'm going to say is that I'm not selling right now so you know it's whether you want to get in and hold it free sort of thing and that's easier than like someone like then having to come up with a buy or a sell because I was pretty guilty but like one of my uni mates turned around to me the other day and we were meeting up he was like and because they always used to pick on me about Bitcoin they always make fun of me and stuff and and and and all in good jest right it was just the thing was like oh how does that just talking about Bitcoin yet one of them put me before me a science like oh I bought Bitcoin I didn't and years ago and this was like 2013 just like I didn't actually say it and I was like all these years and you'd say anything he's like yeah oh my god like over the moon I was absolutely I felt so good you know that someone got in a hell didn't just forgot about it so it's a great feeling but it's a lot more difficult like to get people involved I think now because you know you used to almost have the craziness of the asset you know that that that made the volatility kind of worth the dip but now it's embedded so people you know see it dip of like 20% it is more of a shock to them than getting involved years ago knowing it was some crazy asset plus and it could drop 80% in a day so yeah I'm a lot more like placid when it comes to getting people on board now right well I hope I hope you say it like while like in a Yoda voice while twiddling your beard saying well I can't tell you in Dubai but I'm just saying I mean not sell now it's it is it is funny Dan I think that people just want to get rich without knowing anything they want to say I bought J J J coin and J J J went up 500% and I sold it and I don't know anything I think they want that story they don't want to actually do research read about Bitcoin read about the 21 million units read about the halving read about the way you can send money all over the internet even the things we don't agree with and that funding can't be stopped unlike other systems where you can arbitrarily freeze money and money just stop somewhere but again that's actual research you'd have to read actual website watch actual videos like maybe take notes you know have a whole plan to like learn about what Bitcoin is learn about what cryptos are or you can just randomly choose an altcoin from coinbase you can say I'm in the house coin I'm in the lamp coin whatever it is and put your entire life savings in that and see how it goes I think that they they would rather do that than do the research and invest in something that might be boring and slow like Bitcoin or mutual funds or bonds or whatever it is and because they want that story they want to say on the other side I have no idea what I'm doing but I made millions of dollars that that makes it more fun I don't know I used to I had the same thing where I procrastinate and I wouldn't prepare for tests and I would try to pass the test without doing any work and I was able to do it so it was fun but I found later when you actually do the work and you do the assignments before the test the test is easy like the answers to the test were right there in the assignments like all you had to do is the work and I guess just some people won't do that or whatever I don't know but once again they could have done the work they could have learned about Bitcoin but let's let's keep moving here we have one more story it was really hard to find any stories that weren't just Bitcoin happening Bitcoin happening the price the price Bitcoin happening but we found one more for you guys issue four UFC star Renato Mociano looks to Bitcoin as a defense against the tyrant state and inflation and it seemed like just last week they were saying no one cares about the philosophy of Bitcoin anymore no one cares that you can move money across the internet to anywhere you want for pennies on the dollar but this guy does Renato Mociano I'm sure I'm butchering his name he could probably beat me very badly but Josh Gala what do you think about this UFC star waving some of that libertarian Bitcoin flag there and doing it publicly yeah I'm loving it I think he brought up Von Mises and I guess totally bloody after the whole everybody is like at your library cards out you're gonna read some Austrian philosophy with me you read Von Mises it's great pulling out this like Austrian economist that's brilliant really I thought it might have been some sort of like AI generated clip but no it was real it was great no good good stuff there's been a few times where we've sponsored fighters and things as as a as a community and you know BitPay or whatever back in the day I don't know who someone big go or someone you know we've done a formula one cars we've done and it's been a whole bunch of a whole bunch of different characters throughout the time but yeah I think it's I think it's fantastic that when people get you know they get orange peeled they start to understand and to your point before about talking to people early on the thing is that Bitcoin needs quite a bit of learning curve to truly understand why it's valuable sure you can hear oh my friend got rich in that but back in the early days there was there wasn't no those stories didn't exist yet and so for you to go out and say you should buy this random thing where you've A you've got to jump through a million hoops and before you can get it because you know Coinbase didn't exist or whatever but B you've got to have a background of understanding what's the value proposition of this why is this even interesting I mean it's it's such a weird concept to buy some and Josh if you think the happening is going to be boring when it switches from this number block to the next number block and the reward goes from you know six something to three something the same is true about when you buy your first Bitcoin I mean it's neat when you send it around you have it in the wallet and stuff but really when you send like a point one or a point zero one or whatever you able to get your hands on into your wallet it just goes beep and that the little number goes up and that's it the the wallet really doesn't react it doesn't come up like you've entered a new world and you understand economics now and here's your certificate your reward there's no like it doesn't blink or flash I mean even we're watching in the background I'm keeping an eye on this happening graphic from you know the happening dot com and it's blinking and it's flashing and I don't know why but there's red sprinter vans that have shown up to improve our party and I have no idea what's going on here but it's Bitcoin Bitcoin wallet is nothing like that it's not very rewarding and it doesn't say either it's like and it seems so simple now if I could have just told people like Bitcoin will be 50,000 one day so if you think of every hundred or every thousand you put into this as 50k and just have that mindset that would be great if the wallet told you that if the wall it was like you bought one of 21 million it could be worth something something you should hold onto this right down your keys give it to your your children or something but yet it doesn't do that let's see I dandy to have more on this josh have more on the the UFC fighter fighting for Bitcoin now no I know but I just want to say to anyone in the chat come on invite your friends give us a thumbs up tell jump into your communities on discord or whatever and tell them about the show jump on because we're going to have a huge big harving party over here and yeah do it do it do it all right let's go to Dan Eve what do you think Danny I love this a vision that Josh and I are having of the box through the fighter all bloodied and beaten and talking like Sylvester Stallone edge round there's only 21 million units quiet was this his private keys was his private keys as he days um yeah I mean it's from he's from Brazil right and there's probably a lot more of like government kind of infringement happening over there and but where there are a lot more kind of concerned about how their capital can be just like you know like taking over by by certain parts of the government that maybe it seemed as a bit more corrupt right so just as we've got that paranoia over here about the the fact that if you hold your own keys you know the government can't just take it easily they've got to get your your seed or get extract those 12 words from your brain um so we do see that a lot of the the more kind of passionate people that come into Bitcoin are from areas where Bitcoin would actually really really help them take control of their lives and take control of their money so it's good when you see kind of big big names from these areas as well also educating their own their own sort of communities on on how Bitcoin can actually help them and from a position who's lived through it and and knows how it would help them so it's just a shame that the IMF and co-op aren't behind it for some a really obscure reason right rather they'd rather piss on the party then then actually kind of congratulate for example El Salvador for pulling out pulling a rabbit out the hat. It was it was strange and it was it was hard to take back in the day when Andreas Antonopoulos would say Bitcoin's not really for you you know you live in America you live in United Kingdom you have a great credit system you have a relatively honest legal system you have all these advantages Bitcoin is kind of like dancing for the people of Brazil for the people of uh I guess El Salvador but maybe more like Venezuela places like that where they've lost a lot of freedoms and having this Bitcoin like China gives them some of their freedom back and if you live in the United States you can get a credit card in 10 minutes and you can use it anywhere you want you don't really have this lack of freedom to to fight back from so it's been interesting to promote and to you know sell people on Bitcoin here in the States and the other you know developed nations I would say it wrong um whereas it was really these developing nations that needed us and that's why I'm always so excited by the black Bitcoin billionaires the BBB because I really think they can speak to their community and their communities had a lot of setbacks and poverty and they could really use a chance at getting some of this Bitcoin before the banks buy it all up which is pretty much happening uh right now we're checking it with the happening 21 blocks remaining a red sprinter van driving around bringing us more space suited humans getting ready we're trusting that way man so there's some violence implied but there's where the parties made better by red sprinter van shout out to the havining.com for improving this graphic year after year think we're head to the end of the show so just a quick update we're going to be doing our usual havining party we had one of these in 2016 you can see the havin.com was much simpler back then having number two a rocket and you can see Josh down here in the things ready to go and then we had the 2020 having party they've upgraded the rocket to this new bright yellow rocket and we had an incredible group of guests on this show uh we're going to reach out to them on twitter at the last minute and see if they're around and see if they want to celebrate this happening with us as you can see here this great classic meme posted by Alistair Alistair Milne says the block will go up will celebrate arbitrarily at this number uh 840,000 blocks and then nothing will happen and bitcoin will just keep going and shout out to Alistair he says he's gonna be in bed during the comments and the havining he says where were you and bitcoin became harder than gold dad in bed a sleep effing legend so they're the great meme but now we're going to go to predictions a story of the week Dan Eve are you ready with a prediction or a story of the week go ahead i predict that bitcoin will the block reward will have at the 840,000 block but my story of the week was uh what i've been away for a few weeks because i was like really sick and stuff but then uh then went on a call mission last week to get to my mate lives in south career and so like uh in in chionan so i like uh i flew over there it was a like literally turned up at his door and uh and surprised him and then was my parents happened to be like around that sort of neck of the words because they're meant to be meeting him instead of him showing up i then surprised them too just getting the hell out of them so it was uh oh that and then the day before that was the bitcoin the conference the really cool little conference the um a cult and football club the bitcoin festival which is really good um and uh and that was a cool little event victoria was there ben was there and indie was there like club was quite a few quite a few people was nice little me out yeah and straight out to straight out to south career and then back again for my son's birthday so it was very very eventful and then like literally spent a day in jet lag jet lagged in like walk around pepper pig world and it was wonderful and everything but but lots of cues and like screaming and stuff is dan you got to start building you got to start filming these incredible adventures i don't know if people quite understand that dan flew all the way to south korea to surprise his parents and that there's this moment where you know his parents are there his friends there and he comes out from around the corner completely no planned completely a surprise uh it's amazing dan what was the look like on their faces what did they do well well well i make uh the first one i saw i kept on it was like i'm going to sleep so i was trying to like message him and say oh you know i'm just picking up something from ebay so you know make sure you're awake you know because i don't know where i didn't i didn't know if i'd be able to get into his block of flats or whatever so uh i managed to keep him up and then he was just basically just about to go to bed so he was uh he was pretty uh half naked in a towel so he was very surprised obviously that i turned up and uh and and then my parents would just like meant to be waiting for him like because they're he was meant to be meeting them and then i just turned up at the coffee shop it was quite cool as well it's amazing dan it looks like a Josh has a dog joining us hi doggy yeah yeah wait well my my story the week is uh i'm gonna get a little puppy uh friend for for my dog here and uh my so she's gonna be uh she's gonna be happy because she'll be able to play uh with the puppy uh from when say oh very cool that's one big one big dog yeah yeah beautiful black German shepherd uh it will be will be here so i'll give updates as tongue goes by that's excellent and as Josh said we're gonna have a half-ning party uh there's still 21 blocks remaining which is quite a lot of blocks i don't think you guys want to see us stall that much uh so we're gonna wait until there's less blocks and then we're gonna start the half-ning party right here on the world crypto network uh we'll try to set up an event and stuff beforehand so you can hang out in the chat uh but just in general keep an eye on the twitter we'll put the link out there and uh we're gonna be right back and we're gonna do our traditional half-ning party uh we're gonna arbitrarily invite people randomly on the internet last minute and uh see how it goes uh if it goes well people will join us if it goes poorly will play uh clips from the last uh two half-ning parties we had uh so we have a plan we have a backup plan uh but thanks to everybody for joining us until next time bye bye