The Bitcoin Group, the American Original. For over the last 10 seconds, the sharpest Satoshi's, the best Bitcoin's, the hardest cryptocurrency talk. You'd like to welcome our panelists, Dan Eave, the crypto raptor. John Strollbrinkips, I can bail out for banks and shortly after everything tanks. Ugly old goat from the Bitcoin standard conference. Jashigala from Voltoro. The Times, 03 January, 09 Chancellor on the brink of second bailout for banks. And I'm Thomas Hunt from the world crypto network. Moving on to issue one. Elon Musk to hold crypto he owns, Tesla to resume Bitcoin payments. When it's safer, yes, Elon Musk is back again messing with Bitcoin, Dogecoin and Ethereum this time, saying that he owns the crypto he owns and he's not going to sell. Hooray for you, Elon more billionaires who can hold their investment. I'm sure it's so difficult for you to pay rent. All of your regular life expenses that make you sell your investment. Hooray for these billionaires. Dan Eave, Elon Musk is back again. He says that Tesla will take Bitcoin just as soon as it's environmentally friendly. Couldn't he have just done this research before? Aren't we once again with this Elon Musk doesn't do his research, makes his decisions on podcasts once again? Yeah, for someone who's so knowledgeable in his own fields of like rockets and stuff and batteries, you'd think that he'd do a bit more research on the greenness of Bitcoin. It must surely, he must have no about mining and the power consumption. So as someone who's involved in two companies, one which promotes kind of clean air from no car fumes, which is Tesla and then the other company like jets out like huge amounts of rocket waste into the atmosphere. So you'd think that he was pretty high on his list, but he seems to be doing the celebrity switch of rue going back and forth in a bit of a Katy Perry hot and cold yes and no in and out wrong and right. Hopefully he sticks and he said he's huddling now. He also said that what was quite interesting that I didn't know before was that SpaceX holds Bitcoin and then alluded to something like the fact that it's going to play a part in the future. So maybe there's going to be some, I'm going to some cool block streams like link up there with a satellite or something or maybe he's going down the route which I proposed a while back which was the Dyson sphere. So he's planning to greenify Bitcoin by producing some sort of huge Dyson sphere that provides clean electricity off planet. So I think it's kind of good that it sounds like he's back on board but obviously he's messing with a lot of people and yeah it's just sad to see that a billionaire like that kind of messing around with tweets and he knows the impact that tweets can move markets because he got called up by the SEC for doing it with Tesla and got his back of his handslapped. So doing it with Bitcoin and it's the same principle right except that it's a bit more wild westian and unregulated so there's no one to slap him on the back of the wrist at the moment. So yeah I think it's good that he's huddling and that he said that and hopefully he stops messing around with markets and funny little, you know I'm breaking up memes with Bitcoin, forget about all that old stuff and just do the pump stuff Elon come on just do the pump stuff and come back. Oh but he wants to poke it with a stick he wants to poke it with a stick. Ugly old goat your thoughts on Elon Musk's return to Bitcoin again. Well except for Michael Sailer I think this whole institutional investor thing is a scam. Well maybe not a scam but at least very overrated and I think people realize that now people that bought the $60,000 Bitcoin that's now worth $30,000 are waking up to that. Look we're getting ready to go in a huge long term sustained marketplace. It's not coming from the institutions. You guys it's coming there's two kinds of entrepreneurs in the world okay. There's those that have Bitcoin and there's those that don't have Bitcoin and the next move in Bitcoin is coming from those of us who have Bitcoin teaching those entrepreneurs without Bitcoin how to use it. Michael Sailer's done a great job of reaching out and doing that with those educational program. Elon Musk I wouldn't pay him a hoots worth of attention. The same thing with that Twitter guy whatever his name is don't follow these guys just do whatever you're doing and be the very best at it and how to Bitcoin. How to save and build on Bitcoin. Amen that's right Josh Sugala your thoughts. Yeah I totally agree on that. These these these obsessions with personalities in the space is extremely dangerous. We just got to look at the technology look at what it can do build on it build businesses with it earn it you know everyone's obsessed with buying it but you should earn it because that's really how the economy bootstraps and and use Lightning use the the new stuff use the upgraded version check it out it's it's really really easy go to lnbits.com have a look open up a lightning wallet use a lightning wallet on your phone and start using it and send your friends some so this is this is what we should do if you have a YouTube channel or a twitch channel you can accept and trigger nice little gifts on the screen with lightning payments there's all sorts of really fun stuff you can do get amongst it don't worry about these large players large players a large players they're gonna play but at the same time the the whole notion that he's never gonna sell it's ridiculous of course he's gonna sell he's a capitalist he'll he'll sell it when he thinks it's the top and that's it like I don't buy this whole like oh no I'm holding it forever no I mean he's he's he's got a reason to buying it and that's too hedge against the the collapse of the dollar and why not why whole dollars when you can hold Bitcoin so and he stated that it was a large portion of his holdings the largest outside of Tesla and SpaceX and tiny bit of boring tunnel I think he also stated but he said outside of that he doesn't really own any stock you own big kind of theorem and dodge so you know good on him but you know what I don't appreciate is the community loving him when he's like yeah I'll be kind of absolutely trashing and hating him when he's like you know brings up some some arguments against it and then loving him again when he's supposedly just stop worrying about the guy like he's allowed to have his viewpoint he's allowed to shoot on it whatever hey you know this this is important this is what makes it anti-fragile the same with China dumps on it and says oh it doesn't matter it just doesn't matter stop listening to these large players exit question is Elon Musk serious is this really how he does business Tesla accepts Bitcoin randomly one day he does a little bit of research thinks it's bad for the environment then retracts now he's going to accept it again seemingly making it his decisions during podcasts is this really how Elon Musk runs things Dan Eve the crypto raptor well it seems to be you know he's he's kind of quite like a what's the like a crowd worker you know kind of I kind of imagine him as an older version of like that video on YouTube where there's this little kids to across the street from a like a parade or something there's all these people and the kid lift his arm and everyone goes oh no no no no no no no then you know and that just continues for ages and he's kind of like that you know he's kind of like a you know big kid he's messing with people he knows that you know he knows that he can move markets and he and he also probably yeah let's be honest he probably has a lot of friends that kind of work and play the shorts and stuff and imagine if you're friends with Elon and you're hanging out with him and you're just like, oh mate, it'd be funny if you just post a meme of something of like breaking up with Bitcoin and then right at that second you short Bitcoin massively and then suddenly you make a ton of money and for me, Elon's writing this little tweet. So I'm not really into conspiracies that much but I think something like that is quite possible that maybe not done to manipulate for just financial gain but just to mess around people and just to have a bit of fun. So I say stop the fun, stop having fun now and just shield Bitcoin or don't shield Bitcoin, it's anti-fragile, it doesn't care, it's like a honey magic. Either way, no more fun for Elon Musk. Ugly old goat, your thoughts is Elon Musk. Sirius. Well, yeah, I think he's real serious. I think that most fascists are very serious. They believe in private ownership but government partnerships and controls and he's built an entire empire built on subsidies. He's got a true entrepreneur in any way or spare to the sense. He's a fraud from top to bottom but he's in bed with a lot of very powerful fraudsters. And so, it's really sad that even right here we're holding him up on a pedestal and acknowledge him. He's a non-event as far as I'm concerned and the Tesla we're going to be finding out just how we've got a lot of these Tesla stations down here and I never see anybody film on them up. In fact, there's a hotel down here that's lined up and they don't know what to do with them. They can't park cars there, they can't store anything there. I think it might be a disaster waiting to happen. Well, just have to see that's what happens. We build these bubbles and the bubbles are built with subsidies and partnerships and that's what he's done on he's built an entire empire on that. And a lot of people think of the house of cars and I think there's a good reason to think it is. Ugly old goat, not a Tesla fan. Joshua Shagala, your thoughts on Elon Musk's seriousness. Yeah, Ugly's right, man. He has built it on subsidies. I wouldn't be surprised if Tesla is getting carbon credits from the state and then selling them to SpaceX so that they can spew out the crap and sort of equaling out the businesses like that and turning over like tax profits somehow. I don't know how it's doing it, but I'm pretty sure that buying or using Bitcoin would have added to Tesla maybe not being able to have those carbon credits. There may be something there, but yeah, on event, scrum, whatever. Good on you. Buy it. Sell it. Hold it. Whatever. Bitcoin don't care. Just like to ask everyone watching to give us a thumbs up down below and say hello in the chat. We've got 35 live viewers on YouTube. Say hello. How's it going? Moving on to issue two issue two. Jack Dorsey hopes Bitcoin can bring about world peace. Usually it's just mad bitcoins talking about Bitcoin and ending the domination of the dollar and the ability of the government to print money to buy new weapons. But now it's Jack Dorsey and he's got a ring in his nose and a really long beard. He also says that Bitcoin is the future of Twitter revolutionizing everything from tip jars to super followers. It's almost like change tip five years ago. Ugly old goat. What do you think about Jack Dorsey, world peace and Bitcoin being the future of Twitter? Problem that you have right now. The world seemed and he comes from a libertarian background and libertarian backgrounds. They tend to come from the Murray Rothbard school and they believe in individual sovereignty. That's really a secular humanism because again, this is my belief because I believe in the sovereignty of God and not the sovereignty of men. So the idea that we are going to that Bitcoin is going to bring about world peace kind of sounds a bit like Roger beer saving all the dying babies of the world. This is just a bunch of BS that's getting a lot of attention that needs to just be thrown out the window. Guys, he's another total fraud and he'll send you in a heartbeat. You know, one time they built a really big tower and they united all the languages and that didn't work out well either. Josh Shagalla, your thoughts on Jack Dorsey and world peace. I mean, you know, I don't know. Of course, the whole censorship thing is a different story. I'm not a not a big fan of that. I do think that censorship is needed because there's pretty got off or things happening in the world that like I don't want to see people getting, you know, their heads cut off and stuff or whatever people want to post. So you need to have sense of the censorship, but I think when you start censoring legitimate political speech, it's pretty unimpressive whether you believe whether you agree with it or not. In terms of world peace, you know, I think Bitcoin can create world peace by defunding basically the state from being able to print money where the state would actually need to actually do work to create money. So they can't just promise money out of nowhere. They can't just say, well, build you everything for free if you vote for us because that's a ridiculous way to go rather than, you know, we work to find value, we build value, we earn value through, you know, some sort of trade and we build a good society. Instead, it's sort of this fraudulent system where they can just print as much money as they want out of thin air, ask for interest on that out of nowhere, attacks on that, print more, do whatever and give it to their mates and have this sort of fascistic value circle that they can jerk around on. So, you know, in that way, yeah, I think it is, but these sort of talking points of what the crypto sphere has been saying forever is like it picks the old stuff that they were saying in 2010, 11, 12, 13 and onwards and sort of says the same thing that all our cypherpunks were saying and then say like, oh, well, you know, wow, Jack Dawes is so so amazing for saying these things. Well, you know, we've been saying him forever in the community just because he's rich, just because he has a successful platform, doesn't mean it's any more valuable than before. Yeah, good on you for the parade saying. It's very different for him to say these things as the owner of the platform, as the boss. Sure, it's great. The boss, why it likes open technologies, he likes open source, he likes other people to do the work form. He hasn't said anything about getting rid of ads, which would get rid of his ability to spy on everyone until then you're always a product of the ads and he hasn't addressed that all. Bitcoin doesn't seem to cure advertising. Maybe you could just pay for it differently now. Yeah, I totally like the thing with Twitter is that if he's such a big fan, you know, I do like the fact that he's added some value to be able to pay some developers. So that's really cool. And that's more than like Michael Sailor's done. As far as I know, I'm not aware of Michael Sailor actually funding development or funding startups in the space to help the grow. It's very easy just to buy and be a free rider in the system. And this is typical problem in the anarcho capitalist philosophy of saying, hey, there's this free rider problem where if we all pay for something yet, no one will pay for it because they'll just ride along free with everyone else's work. I kind of feel like that's the case with a lot of these super wealthy man. They got so many resources. They could really help by investing even investing. It's they're not giving it their investing in projects in the space, but rather they just buy the coin and then, you know, go on and repeat stuff that us people have in the space been for a long time being saying forever. And then they get all like, he's so amazing for saying this stuff. Well, just like Elon in the last project, it's not enough for him to buy crypto or to tell people about it. He has to join the religion too. The same thing with Sailor, all the quotes, all the talk, all the recycled old lines that everyone's heard before, but suddenly are viral and noteworthy. These rich people, they've changed everything. They've changed everything. Crypto Raptor, world peace, piece of pizza, Jack Dorsey. Oh, I must say, you know, I do think, world peace is a beautiful thing. It's this fantastic utopia. Is it ever going to happen? No, it's Bitcoin going to help it? I probably know. I don't know. There's so much fighting in Bitcoin. There's not even peace in the Bitcoin community. There's whether you're in or out, there's fighting over whether it's a Ponzi, whether it's a bubble, fighting over shit coins, block size, power usage, memes, hard forks, soft forks, whether it's used for fraud or not, whether you should buy the dip, whether it's the bottom, like everyone's always fighting. So I don't see it bringing about world peace. And it's something like the financial inequality. I think, you know, I was always on the, with the opinion that, you know, once the institutions get involved, you know, maybe from a pumping Bitcoin perspective, but it's the fact is it's just going to make it is going to make the rich richer because it just is. Like, that's what it kind of does. You have more money. You've got more money to buy Bitcoin. Therefore, you're going to get more rich. So it whilst it's nice to have these little utopian dreams and it is beautiful that, you know, you can think about Bitcoin, bringing about world peace. It's not quite so realistic, but what is good is it being used to help a country like El Salvador, you know, with lightning being rolled out and people who didn't have a bank account now able to transact and only if they've been able to do that, you know, with because the lightning network's so cheap. So, you know, that you couldn't get, for example, the unbanked on the Bitcoin main chain because, you know, the fees are, you know, obviously, it's more of a settlement there, right? So lightning is the thing that's going to, is going to bring about for Bitcoin, the main unbanking of people and it will, won't be unbanked, they will be Bitcoin. They wouldn't be banks, they would, they would become Bitcoin and they will use Bitcoin and live Bitcoin and, and breathe it and know that's their money system rather than an inflated crazy, you know, dollar that gets printed out of thin air. But I've just got to say, kudos, you know, for the fact that Square are, you know, you know, they do have that fund that's for development, the fact that the, I think they're building a hardware wallet, so it would be cool if that's open source, surely that should go with the rest of the, the kind of the ethos of being open source. And also, it's mentioned like decentralized financial services. So I wonder what that means, there's going to be like a Square Dex, a Twitter Dex, or something crazy like that. They're going to have like farms and yams and all that sort of level, will it be like, you know, on using Bitcoin, or will it be just, you know, a place, another place where you can buy Bitcoin in it, you know, I don't know. But the interesting thing is we've, as other people have mentioned is, is about the censorship. So one of the biggest things about Bitcoin, you know, if you think about one of the pillars of Bitcoin is the fact that it's, it's censorship resistant. But at the same time, you know, Jack is obviously becoming a big proponent of Bitcoin, but, but at the same time, Twitter like sensors that hell out of people. So that's a kind of interesting contrast. And so hopefully he, you know, he opinion on the censorship resistance of Bitcoin swings what's happening in Twitter, Twitter universe as well. It was one of the first ideas they had for PayPal was to make a cryptocurrency that probably would have been similar to Bitcoin, but they understood right away if people could use it outside of the PayPal website, they never be able to control what those people were using it for. And that was obviously a disaster for the company leading towards more centralized to PayPal, eBay PayPal that we ended up having. Of course, Dan, if your investment doesn't make the rich richer, what good is it? Right. Moving on to the exit question, but what about Twitter, the platform? They've got Twitter spaces, which is just like Clubhouse and audio only chat room. They've got Periscope being blended into the platform away to shoot live video of anything, anywhere, anytime they've got the ability to upload videos, graphics, now long images, messages that will definitely be leaked to the world. What about Twitter, the platform? What do you think about Twitter versus say Facebook or Instagram or WhatsApp that are all the same company? Ugly old goat, your thoughts on Twitter, the platform. You ready? Almost ready. I'm not much of a techy guy, and so I use Twitter, but I just keep on doing my thing, and I'm mainly just writing articles on Medium, and then I have to get some Twitter followers that was kind of honest to it all. I don't have, I guess there's going to be decentralized. I'd sure like to see an Uncensored Volt Twitter, and yet, what do you have? We used to have 50 years ago banned books, but it was basically what we've now just categorized into pornography. And pornography wasn't one time just banned. And so how do you do, but this is pornography that's being censored. Those rules are in place. It's just the message that you have. Now so far, I haven't been, but it's probably because I don't have a lot of followers, because I'm sure I've said some things that are very banable. So I don't have the answer to these things. I mean, and like I say, to me, Twitter's just fun games, and that's what I use it for. That's my focus is on other things. So just have fun on Twitter, but do whatever you do, and do do a good job at it, and you know, you'll be, you'll get long just fine. It seems like in the near future, you can do your shopping, your banking, and everything on Twitter, just like Facebook and Instagram. Josh Shagalli, your thoughts on the incredible expanding Twitter of 2021. Yeah, I mean, whatever you think of Trump, then banning Trump and the last four years of conversations and arguments online and people's reactions to his tweets. This is a historical historical background, and all of a sudden it's all gone. It's just all gone. And that to me is really horrific that that should be there. So I don't like the power that a central authority has just to go, no, that deserves to be wiped off the planet. Even though there's historical importance there, whatever you believe in it, there's the president of the United States talking directly with the world, and not jacked aside, it should be all gone. And I just feel that that leaves a really, really scary taste in my mouth. The one thing that's scary in the map is if the state tells Twitter to be more fair. And so I'd rather keep it in the personal hands, and if they decide that's what they want to do, then do it. And people using Twitter can actually just leave. There's no, leaving it voluntarily is great. What I would like to see on the platform is the ability to have a true timeline instead of an algorithm choosing what I see, because timelines you know, that would really, I think, is better think that algorithms choosing what I see rather than a pure timeline of my followers is very, very, very open to manipulation. And so that is one thing I'd like to see is be able to, for me, to go see exactly by date ordering of tweets coming through. Even though, you know, maybe I won't get the nicest, you know, most relevant stuff to me, but I want that to be my choice of seeing the latest stuff in a sequence rather than some algorithm trying to choose the narrative that I should read. I'm not an algorithm, you're an algorithm. And there is a website with an archive of all of Trump's tweets preserved for history, I guess. But that is a good point overall, Josh, it could have been someone whose tweets weren't being archived or weren't being archived by the congressional record service, things like that. Dan, Eve, your thoughts on Twitter versus Instagram, Facebook, WhatsApp that are all the same company. Well, I did think it was quite funny that there was, there was a few articles that came out of like really panicked people a couple of months after Trump's like Twitter account got banned. And they're like, what do I do? My revenue streams completely decimated now that I can't moan at what every Trump tweet, you know, the tweet that comes out, I've literally lost my livelihood. But I do think it's sad, you know, it's that thing of erasing history. Like people should be able to learn from it. Like, and there's, let's face it, there's plenty of other stuff that you see on a daily basis on Twitter that's like really, really messed up that people probably shouldn't see from like, shootings and stuff to all sorts. Like it's there's plenty out there that you could say it was far more damaging. So, yeah, I think it's kind of sad, but at the same time, it's, you know, you've got to protect people. I don't know. And how far do you go? Like, what where do you draw the line between the censorship of any idea and protecting people that, you know, it's that screaming fire in a, in a cinema thing, isn't it? It's how do you extrapolate out of that? What is a sensible line to draw on Twitter? But I think if that obviously Facebook's got their DM or DM or whatever, they're going to be bringing out, which is, you know, Jack's helping on Bitcoin. So I think that there's already deficit. Obviously, deaf definitely won up on Facebook's DM, which sounds like a dime bar or something, maybe soft on the outside, crudch on the inside of whatever it is. But I think I would like to see Twitter teaming up with LN bits so that you could send a lightning payment to blow smoke in someone's face for saying something stupid. I'd love to see that. Maybe that that would be pretty cool or that Ben's slapping machine, you know, like it literally would produce an arm out of the phone and slap them, you know, maybe even before, maybe that's the way censorship should work. So before they say something stupid, like they, an arm comes out the phone and slaps them around the face and says, do you really want to say such a stupid thing? But yeah, apart from that, I'm intrigued to see where they can, where they can push Bitcoin, you know, with the super follows and tip jars and stuff like that. At the end of the day, it's utility for Bitcoin. So yeah, you know, anything that uses Bitcoin more and showcases Bitcoin is a good thing. I'd almost forgotten that Facebook changed the name of Librecoin to DM. And I still don't care. Moving on, check out shop.worldcryptonetwork.com where you can get World Crypto Network t-shirts and mugs and more. We've got treasures don't float. I've got a World Crypto Network mug right here. We've even got the how finish shirts and more at shop.worldcryptonetwork.com. Moving on to issue three issue three Malaysian police steam role Bitcoin mining machines. Authorities on Borneo Island discovered the machines worth an estimated 5.3 million ringget or 1.25 million dollars in crackdowns between February and April. Eight people were arrested and allegedly stealing the equivalent of two million dollars worth of electricity. The crypto miners stole electricity. The police official said their actions were dangerous for life and property as they can cause power outage. The government then proceeded to destroy all of the Bitcoin mining machines and all of the value contained there within. Josh Shagalla, your thoughts on this incredible new Malaysian government steam roller action. I mean this is typical propaganda. Look at it. It's all laid out perfectly with these steam rollers going over it. I wonder if they grabbed all the abacusers as well and destroyed some other maths solving machines. An absolute ridiculous ludicrous typical government thing to do. Instead of selling the machines, let's have some. This is a 1.4 million dollar propaganda campaign. They literally threw in burnt money. They're saying, oh the poor people of this country, they could actually put those machines on their power stations. So when the power at night time is producing excess, it could mine some Bitcoin for them. But instead, let's use it for a marketing campaign about how good our cops are that busted these people that are entrepreneurs working. Such disgusting typical status nonsense. It's really is awful. It's gross. I'm glad we got to go to Josh first on that one. Sure, they could have also put the one boats and shipped them out of their country to keep the Bitcoin evil out of their country. They could have taken pictures of that too. But what a great video they got. Like Josh said, a million dollar video. It doesn't blend. I know they could have gotten more hits. They could have gone more viral with it. They could have destroyed them in more creative and unique ways. This was kind of steam roller. It's kind of basic. Dan Eve, something better than a steam roller. I think they could have blended it. That's for sure. I would have been behind that. But steam roller it. What an utterly disgracefully wasteful action. They were already confiscated. The miners have been fine. They're putting jail. Blah blah blah. They're learning their lesson. To take that, for a start, they could have auctioned it off. They could have done something construct. They could have run it. They could have found a good renewable source that wasn't stealing power from the grid or whatever and run them and made money from it. And the auction that comes to my mind is the 2014 one. The Tim Draper ended up napping all of the nearly 30,000 Bitcoin. The $19 million, which is even at just today's values over a roughly a billion. They might not have needed to hold it. They could have just auctioned them and kept them money. It's just crazy that they're such waste, especially when you think about like we should be economy, we should be reusing things. We recycle plastic bags. We recycle plastic bags. And yet there's people rolling steam rolling over high tech equipment that could be used to secure the Bitcoin network mine and make loads of money for the economy. It's just insanity really. It's like biting your nose to spite your face. It reminds me of this is an awful story. But when I used to work at McDonald's, I don't know where the analogy is, but I'm sure it's kind of linked in my head. It's what I thought of when I saw this. But McDonald's, the manager used to when we finished, just soon it was like 11 o'clock, you'd go around all of the trays and all of the burgers and you'd spit in every single one so that no one could have them and they'd be all counted as waste. And you'd be like, yeah, that is fricking rotten. So that's what I compare it to. It's like spitting in a big Mac that could have been eaten by someone. That's what it's like. Now we go to ugly old goat to defend the Malaysian government. I'm sure. Yeah, I'm going to take the off to you on all this stuff because first of all, you know, if you spit somebody's spittled on a big Mac, it's just adding it more protein to it and you're giving you building your immunities. But they're not the right thing. If the guy's here's a question, where somebody really stealing the electricity or what's the real stuff. But if they were stealing electricity, then yeah, the seizure is the correct thing to do. And you know what, when it's all said and done, we're probably all better off that they steamrolled the thing because if I've had stuff of mine auctioned off before and they do such a crappy job, either they do such a crappy job, or they're going to take a big take. You're enriching the takers. It's kind of like, well, when I was in prison, you know, we did a study of all these drug offenders and the drugs and the money never matched. And they always like the honest cop maybe just took some of the money. And this is how this cop is saying, well, the money and the drugs. But in every case that I found, the money was, and you know, they have the perfect argument to you because, oh, if you see, well, you had hundreds, don't have $300,000 in my bank account. Well, no, there's only 100 there. Oh, yeah. But if you say, no, I got 300, you just get five more years because your sentence hands. So it's kind of there were probably better off to scheme rolling at getting out of the hands of bureaucracy as fast as we can. Who wants those dirty Malaysian government minors? They slow down the network. They don't know how to upkeep their machines. They probably can't even operate a canful of dust. Let's move on to the exit question, which was a better photo op as Dan referred to the Silk Road auctions one and two, which brought the US government hardly any money at all. We already spent it. It's gone. We could have built Smithsonian museums in every single capital city fulfilling the American dream of a good museum near every American. Instead, we just got some millions of dollars that we just ate up in the government or the Malaysian steamroller. Was it better to burn the big money early or to physically destroy things? Josh Shagalla, which did you prefer? You know, I miss the days where billionaires would build libraries and Smithsonian museums and stuff instead of sending themselves to space. But yeah, I don't know whatever. The Bitcoin network doesn't care if it loses a bunch of hashes. It's just more propaganda nonsense. Next. As Gil Scott Heron said, a rat just bit my sister now, but whiteies on the moon. Dan Eve, your thoughts on what was a better photo opportunity? Well, it obviously went down quite well for the guys making the picture of the steamroller. They made quite an effort to get the press there and everything. But I think the loss of the Bitcoin that the US could have just held for a little bit. 19 million really wasn't a lot of money and it wasn't that long after. Things started to get real crazy in Bitcoin price. So yeah, I think it was definitely a big loss for the US doing that auction. Big win for a draper though. Again, we go to ugly ill go to defend the Malaysian government. What did you get? I got to get up society again. No, no, no, we got to be good. I'm for a limited government. I'm for smaller government sell the Bitcoin. Glad they did it. You got to, you know, in fact, they did it wrong. They sold it. They should have just destroyed it and made us all of us hollers wealthy. Malaysia did it the right way. There wasn't as much Bitcoin there, but they steamroll it. That Bitcoin's gone. It's gone. You know, now we don't, that 21 million that pool's gone down maybe a little bit. That helps all of us. Well, obviously, I support the creation of Smithsonian museums in all 50 states. It is a good idea for them to just destroy the Bitcoin. If it's so bad, if it's so harmful, it was created by the Silk Road, it touched drugs and things. How could you give that to billionaire Tim Draper, minding his own business, buying everything at your auction. This really smart guy, early investor in hotmail, has a whole university dedicated to startups and he buys your entire auction and you're like, we got a really good deal for our government. Our government is a good client. We could have gotten all those museums, but instead we made the rich guy richer. You wouldn't have gotten museums. You just got more war. It's like a theme on this show where making rich guys richer, sending them into space and never, ever building any museums or free libraries for the people. That's right. That's right, Potter. Moving on to issue four, making fun of JP Morgan. JP Morgan opens crypto trading to all clients. While previous banks had offered crypto trading just to the rich clients, just to the ones that could take the horrible risks that come from investing in a Ponzi scheme like cryptocurrency. That's so obviously tied to drug dealers and NARITAL ELS, assassins, the underworld, the dark web cryptocurrency created by a shadowy inventor, an unsigned, unknown man, woman or team of people. And yet now, Jamie Dimons well established. JP Morgan, US bank is providing all of their wealth management clients access to that dirty Bitcoin and other dirty cryptocurrency funds. Let's see, Dan Eve, your thoughts on JP Morgan, suddenly opening up to Bitcoin. Well, you know, there was right from when when Jamie Dimons said it was like it was a fraud or something and then the next in the within the next bit price dumped and then the Swedish arm of JPM, bought a load of Bitcoin contracts or XBT contracts or something. You know, you could tell that there was a bit of market playing, you know, he's just another Elon, he knows he knows what he's doing. You can imagine as well, I think he's wasn't his daughter that was really into it. So, there's no way that she wasn't hammering every like dinner time like, oh, come on, Dad, come on, like just buy some freaking Bitcoin. But he you turn like everyone else like they all do. What's interesting is that they're the first bank to provide everyone now, not just the high net worth, which is cool. You know, we've moaned about that before when when banks do finally start allowing it and, you know, and uncensoring the ability to buy Bitcoin via themselves or whatever, facilitating it. They've always it's just been like, you know, high net worth and it's only allowed to be like 2% of your portfolio. And so yeah, it's a good thing that at least they're opening it up to everyone. It's not direct Bitcoin, no, right? It's kind of funds from what I've from my gather. So it's kind of not quite the same, but you know, it's kind of dip people dipping their toes into the pool, they buy a bit, they sort of get a bit excited, you know, they go through the roller coaster of it shaking the bed and then be like, oh, and then it going back up and then be like, yeah, so they get on board. Then they start doing the research and then like, why am I going to have JP Morgan hold my coins? I'm going to hold them all myself. But they're also quite interesting is that they're not allowed to recommend it, right? So they can't actually recommend it. So you can imagine how the calls go. They're like, sorry, did you say invest in Bitcoin? No, I said, I have to rest due to a split groin. Oh, no, no, because now you're actually available to invest in Bitcoin. Oh, okay, that's kind of cool. Thanks for mentioning it. I didn't mention it. You mentioned it, but we can facilitate it for you. So I'd love to hear some of those conversations now. And yeah, good, they're opening up the floodgates finally. So Jamie Diamond's daughter recommends it, but Jamie Diamond professional banker who makes millions of dollars every year told you not to buy. He should return his salary. That seems like fraud. Unless he like washes the floors really well at city bank. What does he do? Ugly old goat, your thoughts on JP Morgan, Jamie Diamond completely eating their lunch in front of everyone. Does that mean that I can reopen the Chase Bank account that they closed on me? I expect to call any any minute now. They'll be on the phone. I'm conciliterate. Are they closed down? Because apparently I was buying crypto on their and I got where's my bank account? Oh, well, I wonder if I now I suppose if I buy on on JP Morgan, it's going to be my keys, right? Oh, or isn't there a thing? Not your keys, not your Bitcoin? Oh, I think there might be more to this than we're looking at on the surface. Who's where do you where when I buy this stuff, where I'm going to hold it? Did they answer that in the article? I didn't see that anywhere. Did you? You can trust you can trust Uncle Jamie. He won't rehive Patha. Kate you. I feel fine now. I don't need toilet paper anymore. It's those big words. You got to know the jargon. Josh Shagalla, any more financial jargon for us? Yeah, look, I mean, JP, the thing is I've really touched on it a little bit there. When we have another massive scary banking crisis, they're going to bail themselves in with those funds to save themselves. They're like, well, not your keys, not your money, they can use that. Same with HSBC, they only the the gold ETF, the the manager of gold ETF. So they just bail themselves in. If you own an ETF, it's not allocated bullion. You're buying a certificate. And this is the same thing with this Bitcoin. Not only that, JPM, for those who don't know what a short is, just a quick explanation here, how you make money on the market going down, as you borrow the funds from someone else, you sell it, that price, wait for it to drop and you buy it back. Now, that's a great actual function of the market. It's an important function of the market because it allows you to bet on something on the way down if something's overpriced. What a really fraudulent market is naked short selling where they don't even have to borrow it. They just sell it. They just sell something that they don't have put downward pressure, sell pressure, which crashes the prices out. They destroy like silver and stuff. We have great reports on JP Morgan destroying the silver price to keep it suppressed. So, you know, I just don't trust these people. I don't trust them with Bitcoin. I think it's just part of it, part of mass acceptance that these banks eventually take, come on board and they play all their normal games. The fact of the matter is there's only 21 million. They can't play these games too long. So, when they do crash the price, when they do crush it, don't think all Bitcoin's a failed experiment. No, no, buy it, buy that dip, everything you can because they are. Exit question, how long before we see Bitcoin signs in the windows at banks? How long before banks are advertising with Bitcoin six months, one year or two years? Dan Eve. I think the rate they're like closing down on the branches, it will never see it hanging in the window. So, yeah, so I think they should continue to close down the branches and retire themselves whilst the online e-money. Bitcoin, the real internet, like money for the people, the worldwide web money, you know, it's P2P. That's where the money's at. So, I don't see the need for banks much longer. So, I doubt we'll ever see a Bitcoin sign hanging in there, sadly. Ugly old goat will the banks advertise with Bitcoin? Well, I hate to say about I have to agree with crypto-wrafter. You know, there's a wide varieties of opinion within the Bitcoin standard movement. And some people think that Bitcoin is going to become the world reserve currency. I'm of the opinion it never will be. And in fact, I don't think we even want it to be. And I think F.A. Hyatt kind of outlined it correctly. He says, you know, when he talked about competing currencies, he wasn't talking about competing standards, like we have now with all these shitcoins trying to want to be the standard. But he was, he saw the development of one standard that competed with government standards. So, I think it's much more likely that banks, government fiat banks will return to gold before they will come to Bitcoin. And I think in that sense, Bitcoin can actually keep the gold standard honest because it's kind of your skate money. I mean, I would love to be doing business in a country that had sound money. I mean, this thing in El Salvador is going to be so exciting because, you know, it could become the Hong Kong of Latin America. It really could. And so we want to, you know, that's where we want to be moving. I just don't see Bitcoin as being the reserve. I don't think monetary theory supports it. I think that's a lot of wishful thinking within the Bitcoin, I would call them Bitcoin fundamentalists. Josh Shagalla. I don't know about banks not being able to, I've been doing that for years for them. There's always an ATM with a Bitcoin sticker on it. I've been trying to help them out here. But, no, look, retail banks, they will definitely start helping out with Bitcoin because that's how they make money. They offer products. Banks don't make money anymore. Retail banks, I'm talking about, called JP Morgan and stuff, they play with the markets, but the retail banks, they make money on loans and the interest rates, the negative interest rates in Europe, it's very difficult. They have to sell insurance products, they have to sell all sorts of wacky products in their systems. So, when you log into the website, it's like they just try to sell you other stuff and the money transfer side of things is like a bait to get you in, basically. So, yeah, definitely, I know a couple of banks already that offer Bitcoin to buy Bitcoin through them. Talk to your financial planner. Find out if Bitcoin is right for you. Moving on to issue five, Bitcoin trading higher at the end of the week. The price of Bitcoin was trading 0.6% higher early Friday morning. The price was around $32,460 a coin while Ethereum and Dogecoin were trading around $2,000 and $57 and 19 cents per coin for Dogecoin. Is this the beginning of a new bull run or is Bitcoin continuing to trend bearish? Ugly old goat, your thoughts on the price of Bitcoin. I have no idea where the market is going and I trade accordingly. So, I do, the question is not where is the market going but what are you going to do if it gets there? And you don't want to be in a position where if this thing drops down to 20 or $15,000 that you can't act because you're over leveraged and by the same token, you don't want to miss out at the if this is the bottom. And I think you can make a good case right now either way. And the biggest thing hanging over the market right now is all this all these shit coins and all these other substitutes that we just are going to have to clean them out. There's some hard lessons that are going to be learned I think in the near future. And I think what's happening is it's happening on its own. It's not coming from us guys that are Bitcoiners that's coming from guys that really aren't Bitcoiners like copies. The biggest frauds out there now is in the crypto world and the trading world trading crypto and owning crypto. And I think the house of cards is starting to collapse on its own. It's coming from within no matter what that we say you know they're not going to listen to us they never have and they never will. But they're going to listen to the people that have already taken their bags and these things. And that's when the awakening is going to come. The market goes up, the market goes down, get a taco. Josh Shagallan. Yeah, I agree here. This is a really tricky space and this usually there's a good trend. I felt like this is more of a like a 2013 market where we sort of had a slow deflation even though any normal sane person would say well that's a massive drop which ineffectively is in all you know regards. But actually in the crypto world it's been a slow sort of fizzle instead of a up up up up up crash way down more than you know more than half. It's been kind of a deflation of the market. So I think it's been just a correction. I do feel like we're still kind of in a ball really. We're just sort of like corrected a little bit and I think by Christmas we'll be back up and Adam for a little while for that second run like like 2013 was. I'm a ball and I'm bullish. Dan Eve. You feeling it? I'm still swept away with Stock to Flow. I'm a believer you know I'm a B it's called believer. It does seem to be sort of trailing on the on the underlings of just kind of outside the boundaries but it has happened before. But it does kind of seem like we're in that sort of you know the mid 2017 kind of low like you know where things kind of seemed a bit like they were going to be you know slowly fizzling out and then obviously in November, December 2017 everything went mental and Bitcoin you know did there's some amends rise to near 20k so I'd like to see I'd like to see that do a return. But just for for a few laughs of course so not just on on coin but I'm not picking on coin very specifically but but obviously you know they they when they first sort of went on the stock market the app rose to you know number one spot. It's now I think down to about 355th although it's still like it in the top 15 top 20 of the apps on on iOS but what's really sad is the is the does coin chart on coinbase so I'm just going to very quickly share this bit. So this is does coin the history of does coin base. Now kids don't do drugs don't do doge so I hope many people didn't get burnt. I'm sure it would be back up again if there is a mega big big mega big point Bitcoin pump I'm sure Doge will you know hit that at crazy target. Well I'm not just saying I'm sure it may you know go back up you know along with Bitcoin as everything else does it gets carried away and Bitcoin's crazy you know blazing blazing trail but yeah ladies and gentlemen that's does coin on coin base. This is what I find really horrific is that there's fundamental ideas of Bitcoin is that there's 21 million and Doge has literally the most ridiculous amount of inflation that it's that it's positive like it's it's it's almost like Venezuela like it's just silly yet it's never talked about by Elon it's never talked about by you know coinbase it's never any warning like hey by the way guys there's a massive amount of inflation in this token so you know buy your own risk instead it's like oh look at the funny face that's not really even funny it's just a picture of a dog looking like it's not even funny and and it's kind of sad that that it's not being used as an as an educational piece I mean you're definitely guessing your education now if you bought that top you it's definitely an educational you you you burn your fingers on that candle but um coinbase avoided this for so long for so long they're like we were coinbase we judge the altcoins before we let them on and we would never let that joke coin with the inflation bug that's constantly printing more of them on our beautiful coinbase platform but now they did and that's it and there's nothing else they can do or coinbase does coin buyers moving on to the exit question hit your predicting mites against the magical 8.8 the magical Bitcoin predictor ball ugly old goat will the price of Bitcoin be higher or lower this time next week I think it'll be higher I think I think we've got it on I think it's a good chance we have put in the bottom now but we'll see like I say the it's the big overhang is exactly what what crypto was I don't know which one of you showed that that doge coin I mean that's true everywhere guys and we how much that's going to affect Bitcoin we just don't know and this the other thing too the big risk is not Bitcoin the big risk are these exchanges because because they're offering these shitcoins they have an inventory on them these and unfortunately these exchanges are Bitcoin banks and they're very very poor banks because they're not I mean a bank should be if they're going to be in the financial business they should be there is such thing as self-liquid and commercial paper where you can create non-inflationary purchasing media but it's representing new goods coming in the marketplace shitcoins are not anything new and they don't offer anything except the promise you know you can't eat them you can't you can't they're lousy it's a lousy cash and sucks the store value and these all these exchanges are hooked into them so I I think you got some real big problems coming with the exchanges with the one exception and that's a bit max because I think they were I mean all those guys are indicted if they could shut down big max they could and you can actually go short all these shitcoins and not own them and that's the only way you you want to trade if you want to trade a shitcoins you do it on the derivatives market I say you don't have to touch them you can just trade them well say what you will about toich marks but they made fine wallpaper Dan Eve higher or lower higher I'm going higher Josh Shagalla does the positivity continue? yeah I reckon we might see hi I mean Elon tweeted that he owns Bitcoin so it's higher isn't there's no way the ball is going to agree with this all this positivity going around the ball is colored black for a reason here we go will the price of Bitcoin be higher this time next week most likely most likely even the ball agrees we're moving on to predictions or a story of the week ugly ill go are you ready with a prediction or a story of the week go ahead my story of the week well I have heard there's a rumor going around that mad Bitcoin or is going to be a master of ceremonies at the Bitcoin standard conference in in Sonata Mexico is there any truth to that rumor? I don't know maybe travels looking pretty rough these days I don't know I'm okay but I do think there's going to be a conference in in Sonata Mexico and I think tone is going to be there and Jacama is going to be there and the whole crew sounds like oh no you're not it's not as questionable now with a mad Bitcoin's coming it's looking pretty pretty scary out there man I do I do think there's a great conference at Bitcoin standard conference calm and everyone can check it out and I you know I'm not I don't want to scare people away if everyone's going to make their own choice we're all we're all vaccinated down here so I think it's going to be a you know but I understand where you're coming from I don't agree with that that's what the wonderful thing about this conference is we're going to have a lot of people down here that don't agree with each other and it might just be keeping the peace that is well let me put it this way guys mad Bitcoin is scheduled to be the master of ceremony to this saying so if he doesn't show up it's because he's a security a covid scared he can't and so here we go yeah you can go down here go down to the pictures there we've got you go to the panelists up there if you go to a panelist see yeah yeah no those that's the front page go up to the tabs and hit hit your your panelists because we got your there you go just hit that and scrolling around we I think we got a picture mad Bitcoin in there there he is master salmon and he's got the the covid he may be he's here but he's still pegged in till he says no and so I think we need to do a vote on this yes because if you want to support the conference if you hit that mug shot just hit it that hit your name up there Thomas okay now if you pay with Bitcoin you can get a 15% discount by if you and if you think Thomas should be at this conference mad Bitcoin just buy your ticket there go down there to register at conference go down there register right up go up you were at it they hit register for conference that takes you to the page okay and if you do the drop down menu we have all kinds of things as long you pay with Bitcoin you get 15% discount the package that we we're promoting is the best package we call it the full ride because this is a five day four night conference okay we have a can every dinner on Wednesday night you come check in I mean on yeah Wednesday night you check the hotel includes hotel incidentally all your stays and you check it on Wednesday night and have a can every dinner that night we have a two day conference and then after that after the second day we'll take you from the hotel to the horse power ranch where we're going to go on an adventure tour with ATVs and these four wheelers so it's really quite something in fact you can go there to the schedule go down you can see the schedule where we have mad bitcoin conference go oh we can do that here it is guys this is the horse power ranch this is the second part of it now this whole thing is 1995 but if you order it with through top the mad bitcoins picture you get 15% off so it's five days four nights 16 95 and it's incredible deal and you can go to see what what this thing is all that's just the fun part now we work it's as a work and go to the schedule schedule up there and you can see the conference and there it is we got the mad bitcoin at welcome thing he's a moderator he's the MC and he is moderating uh scroll down here I think there you go time is on how to use bitcoin is your treasury yeah now I got that from Michael sailor because you know what I Michael sailor is educating people and you know I love that term I grabbed hold on right way I say yeah yeah yeah that's right because that's what you do we are using bitcoin as our treasury so and this these are all people that they're doing it in real life and so this is what this conference is about we've got all kinds of cool topics on this thing we've got the hot issues bitcoin legal tender should it be embraced or should it be abolished wow I did a little poll it's five to one the people want to embrace embrace it but you know what was funny I was at that Miami conference and the keynote speech by Ron Paul Ron Paul came up and says I've been working all my life to repeal legal tender laws that's what I've been doing and then what happened later on in the conference we have Jack better we just got legal tender and sans avidore so we you know these are great issues guys we're living in new times this is these are fantastic things that need to be aired out you know in a friendly environment we all have a lot of different opinions and that's what this is this is a real bitcoin standard conference and uh you know like I say I don't care if nobody shows up that's okay with me because it's on me I just want it to be the best bitcoin conference that's ever been I want to welcome all of you guys to come so hope to see you there and uh if you can't make plans for it you're gonna this is gonna be the Woodstock event of 2021 if you miss this one you say oh that was the one I shouldn't have got and nobody died from COVID either man that sounds good it sounds good I might have to take a closer look at that for sure all right well that's all I ask guys because it's gonna be super we've got some workshops jacamo uh it's gonna have his building a node workshop uh Jimmy songs them be doing his workshop on building on blockchain uh and uh those are the two days ahead of time but the cool thing tone waves is actually going to be taking the the workshop uh uh with jacamo's nodes workshops so if you come and you take the workshops and come early you'll actually have two days hanging out with Jimmy song uh jacamo uh Zuko and tone waves in a very relaxed atmosphere so that in itself is I think is really uh something that you know if you've been successful this last uh four or five years and you really want to go to the next level uh I want to invite you down here to Anson Otter we're free down here uh much freer than you are anywhere else in the world and uh it when till you get down here you just can't believe it so that's a little bit of goodness I want to share with all my fellow bitcoins uh I this is my place this is I've adopted this my home we uh can drive our ATVs and four wheelers out on the street uh we don't have all these uh you know we're not crazy oh yeah me we're polite we wear a mask walking in the places you sit down and take them off but that's about it and uh uh it's uh uh uh and plus we all got now got vaccinated down here uh here last in june uh they they vaccine all the vaccines went to the baha because we do so much border trapped here and so uh the all the I mean people that add to you down here's changed as it well been vaccinated a lot so hey read Thomas looking for a toy it's not going to be a Bitcoin stator conference unless mad Bitcoin is down here to to MC it he said only candidate that it just won't be it won't be a conference unless mad Bitcoin and you know what if mad Bitcoin comes down here it's kind of like getting the blessing you know because yeah okay you can come down here it's safe now and everybody I mean everybody because we lost oh finally he gets it yeah and the thing is that mad bitcoins actually made Jimmy's song made uh brought all these people birthed all these famous Bitcoin as into existence they all appeared first on this show this is my first time being on this show I think I hope he just birthed me because I agree with you I learned tone days hey all I can all the guys that got tone days and Jimmy's song both of my watch on a world crypto network first Gabriel divine he's he was one of all man uh so he came to our working man's Bitcoin Chris he's coming back and so yeah this is the birthing place like I say it's really not a real big they have all these cops is all over the world but it's not a big real Bitcoin conference unless man Bitcoin chose that that's true you got to do it Matt you got to do it you've had the vaccine man you got nothing to worry about well we'll see maybe I'll see maybe I'll maybe I'll send a video but everybody should check that out at bitcoins standard conference.com it's in insanata mexico and just a couple weeks a tone will be there Jimmy's song jacobo the whole crew jasha gola deva prediction or a story of the week go ahead I got a story of a week check out this cool tote bag here it has got the uh the the first block in there the important first block the message from satoshi nakamoto and it's a bag of course it's got some the standard dot i it's all about standard here but the bitcoin standard we have the standard dot i o which is a new project here and we got some hats with the same thing on there because this is this is for me so important when I saw this in the first block I was totally stoked so check it out we've also got a cypher punks right code because that's what you do if you've got an idea you don't wait for governments to try to fix anything you do it yourself and that's what we're doing with the standard dot i o will be at the the blockchain days in maioca and we'll be giving this this merch out to anyone that's there so join us in maioca next week friday saturday sunday monday it's going to be great if you're in europe check it out book yourself a flight right now it's going to be a fantastic conference as well and and yeah i'm really looking forward to i'm giving a talk about how stable coins are one to one peg stable coins are pretty much finished once the us goes into negative interest rates just like the reason we don't have a euro stable coin is because of that reason and why algorithmic stable coins are probably the way of the future in terms of stable coins that's that's my talk and there's going to be a lot of really great people there we have we have pd tod it's going to be there we have uh they check it out blockchain days maioca it's going to be a crypto raptor is going to give an epic rap there by the way it's going to be really really cool uh we have um uh who else who else we got there if you got the you got the agenda up i'm just getting it up now so so speakers so far if i just roll through them they are so got arryn kernick uh christian luke luke he was the actually organizer he taught dominic frisbee he did uh he did a very good book uh really good book actually bitcoin the future of money some say it was like the first bitcoin book uh a mere tacky christian terry o'clocky wow that's a blast in the past max hila brand obviously of of wcn as well of josh josh gala victoria jones harry helping uh tomas virklin vlad koster rachael rozo leary denis korei um batista batista and freest future uh michael also wcn this this goes on cloudy cloudy it boot a david miller ben ark also wcn uh pavall look back of uh after i'll have to send a video to this one too uh yeah oh god yeah and uh Alex cassas and and and obviously and christian roozal as well so it's quite quite a hard call lineup and and i'm not officially on there yet but i've just bought my ticket uh uh and done the first part i just need to book in all my crazy tests uh and then i'll be on the lineup i just need to get one of those uh little weely boys like roger fearhead it's like an ipad on a stick it's got a little remote control car under it and i'll just uh send that out into the world but it sounds like a great conference at meorca blockchain days uh that's coming up uh just this weekend or next weekend then pretty nice yes it's the 29th to the uh 29th to the first i'm i'm there from like 29th to the second awesome yeah something like that and it's at meorca blockchain days and that's malorca like that's not the j so n-o-d-l-o-ca orca yeah and man i gotta say that the uh the blockchain stat the bitcoin standard conference that's happening down a mexico that that just sounds epic and i i wish i could make it sadly i'm here in europe it's a bit of a bit of a trek uh to get over there but uh i might have to have a closer 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