The Bitcoin Group, the American original. For over the last 10 seconds, the sharpest Satoshi's, the best Bitcoin, the hardest crypto currency talk. We'd like to welcome our panelists, Josh Gagalla from Valtoro. Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. Dan Eave, the crypto raptor. We just become best friends. Welcome to the last 10 seconds. Good bye. Satoshi's the best. That's the. The issue one golden 2020. Bloomberg magazine predicts that the price of Bitcoin will return to all time highs in 2020. Perhaps coming to rest around $14,000 as the market continues to accept the fact that Bitcoin is the new digital gold. As well as the effects of the happening on general Bitcoin price supply. The article also mentions how the price of Bitcoin shot up after the recent US Iran crisis. Further some mentioned Bitcoin status as a safe haven. It's nothing that hasn't been said on this show hundreds of times. But is it different now that the mainstream is about to get it? Josh Gagalla will Bitcoin's 2020 be golden. Yeah, I mean, Bitcoin is I like how they said is the new digital gold. I didn't know there was such thing as digital gold before, but it is the digital gold. Yeah, I think that to we have seen a bit of a bottom. It's probably going to just move sideways with a little bit of up. Now, I think it's probably time to sell. The Bloomberg is is shilling, but we'll see what happens. Yeah, it's I think 20 turning is a very, very exciting year, especially from the middle side of things as Ben will also, you know, he's the master builder here on the panel. And I can say, you know, we're building like crazy at Valtora as well. So, you know, the more and more of us that build things, the more and more people will come. Dan Eave, the crypto raptor. Well, I definitely love to see a good year for Bitcoin prices as we all this year. I mean, there's the hype around the harvining, which you kind of think, you know, it's obviously there's a bit of contention over whether it's priced in or not. But I think that even though people know about it, the fact is that the supplies going to change, there's going to be all the hype around it. And I think that the community kind of is good at stirring up a hype, that's for sure. And it is a big event. But on the other thing, I was going to mention, oh, the Iran thing, yeah, the only sad thing is that like a few people were like, yeah, like a war, Bitcoin's going to pump. And I was like, that's a bit hardcore. But it's kind of interesting to see what the Bitcoin price does when there's those sorts of world events. But obviously, you know, no one's pulling their breath for war in a good way. It couldn't be anywhere. So then last time when people were thanking the president of the people's Republic of China, Ben from Wales. Yeah, I don't know. I think it is probably something to celebrate because it's the Iraqis and the Iranians that are finding somewhere where they can put their wealth where so they think that, you know, their countries are going to fall into conflict and then they're going to lose that money. So that put it into something which is a safe store of value in the interim. So I think that is something we're celebrating. It's the thing which we should be most proud of in Bitcoin. You know, if you imagine the Jews having such an ability during the Second World War to store their money and then be able to cross borders and keep like a brainwiling their heads or something. So it's pretty cool, the price pumped. Obviously, the being in that condition in the first place is very sad. But it also means that Bitcoin is useful in that way, which is great. I don't think it's as much speculation from just traders, which actually pumped the price. I think it was the actual Iraqis and Iranians actually putting their money into Bitcoin. So we have the ability now, all of us, to help build the tools, which can give people that ability. So if you're on the sidelines looking conflict brewing and developing and you see there's nothing you can do to help you can you can build better tools for people to be able to store their wealth and secure their wealth in those horrible situations. And anyone can get involved in that. Bitcoin ecosystem, these testers, these developers, these people thinking about it and talking about it like on this show. Yeah, no, that's a good sign, but 2020 itself, I think it's going to be very important. You have to get quite off. You've got the harvining that's clearly priced in. So when actually happens, the price is going to go on because like it has to be for. Side note has been with saying at the lightning conference, I got to talk to Jack from zap wallet. And he said one of their largest user bases turned out to be Persia in the Middle East, because zap offers a web wallet. And you just use it through the web page. You don't have to download any apps and a lot of those countries who can't download the app because then they know that you downloaded the app. So it was a really interesting thing that having an easy to access web wallet, which they were kind of designing because they wanted a really good user interface for Bitcoin. They had a lot of what people would call maybe first world concerns actually ends up getting used by the developing world. On the wrong thing, there was a bit, there's a bit of news about, you know, think Bitcoin hitting what 25,000 I think I saw like up to the internal ice in Iran was 24. Yeah, yeah, it was proven to be kind of more about the internal effects rates and the way that's their coins plumbing their shit, coins funding. And then I don't have a shit. If only we could have a deep, I think we're she couldn't go the, they got the currency. Yeah, money get cash out. It would be like a movie with Dan and I and Richard prior. Yeah. I think the thing is these people celebrating war. Because it'll pump it's kind of like celebrating that all your neighbors houses have been destroyed and pumped because property prices will go up or down or like. Dude, no one wins if we start a world war three basically. And I think I was into the Bitcoin Citadel idea as well. A lot of people are talking about all you need a Bitcoin to enter and you'd have to be segregated from the general population. Yes, that's a good thing. Bitcoin's needed, but it's a bad thing for everyone on the outside of the Citadel. Maybe it's still early enough to start talking about ways to mitigate this ways to bring the thing together rather than getting to this crisis point so quickly. Yeah, it feels like a bit of a like a Noah's Ark situation where like everyone is saying in the inside the Citadel is like, screw off, you shouldn't, you should imagine one Bitcoin, but you can stay wait for the flood. And we're just, you know, I'll sit you'll fly off into Mars in the future. It's just it's weird for me how like you have a community of people are interested in decentralized systems and then they're drawn towards like something which is futileist, you know, like I've got a castle. And that was a terrible system and the people suffered, you know, like you know, Citadel's an awful, awful thing and they hope they never exist in the way in which some Bitcoin has wanted to exist, which is strange. Now, I think the game moment is just like they, you know, people who are in those conflicts and can use this thing Bitcoin. Yeah, that's why to the price go up. I don't know how I don't really the ethics of was all profiting office, I suppose that's pretty depressing. And as Josh said, like actually this could be board war three, because we should be watching a war starting, which is which is absolutely terrifying. And a lot of that we want, but with this Citadel idea and the idea of the Bitcoiners who want decentralization publicly, but then once they become rich and insular, they want centralization and control. They want a democratic decentralization publicly, but internally control Alex Jones was on the Joe Rogan show and his latest new conspiracy theory is a secret government inside of the government stealing resources, planning on escaping to Mars or other planets. Is that not too different from the Bitcoin Citadel movement, both publicly and privately, people are coming to the same conclusion that they should break up into small groups and leave the world so much for working together in large groups of people. Yeah, but if the thing is if you are, if you were evil enough and outside the Citadel, like you could, you could buy, you know, planner, a, an attack, I wouldn't do this by the way. I'm not like, you know, don't investigate me in future, but they could someone could like bomb the Citadel and then all the Bitcoin would be, you know, would be lost or would. Ta-da and then like you make the price go up, so surely centralization of hot list is a bad idea. It absolutely is we get to say patents quote again that fixed fortifications are a monument to this stupidity of man. So the idea of putting it one Bitcoin or in a castle is a bad idea. Imagine putting hundreds of Bitcoiners in a castle. It's essentially a target like every, every alleged terrorist group in the world would be attacking that target full of Bitcoiners. The whole libertarian thing just goes down the drain, but. It should hard always looks like he sits in a castle. It's just a very well presented council house is just going like a nice move in the back of the car. On Ben, you got to get some crystals in the background falling behind. The monkey candles healing crystals. So let's move on to the exit question. As always, the most important question, the price of Bitcoin this time next week higher or lower Josh, good. Definitely higher, definitely higher. Crypto Raptor. Well, just very briefly, I'm interested, because I can't remember what I think my prediction was up last week. So technically, I'm right. I'm going to be correct again. And it's going to be higher than 8081 dollars. Everyone's keeping score at home. Ben from Wales. Yeah, a panomics is going up. And I'll stick with the group, but who knows it only goes higher when I sell for rent. And. Often. So moving on to issue two. Actually, wait a minute. Welcome to the audience at home. Be sure to give us a thumbs up and a share right a tweet. Tell your friends about the show. Maybe they've never seen it before. And you can be the one who told them about it. You'd be a hero. Imagine that you a hero. There we go. Bitcoin protocol upgrades. It may not sound sexy nor pronounceable, but Schnorr signatures and taproot are coming to Bitcoin in 2020. And you need to know all about it. Schnorr signatures are well known in the field of cryptography and feature a strong level of correct. Do not suffer from malleability and are relatively fast to confirm. Most interestingly, however, the signatures can be expressed mathematically, allowing smoother and more complex coin joints. And perhaps the long awaited Bitcoin privacy. The upgrades have been folded into a package known as taproot, which also includes mast, mercalized abstract syntax tree, a K a tree chains, which would allow Bitcoin to be locked and spent under multiple conditions, essentially creating a tree of options, heavily expanding the way Bitcoin could be used. Ben from Wales, what excites you about these new Bitcoin protocol updates. Yeah, it's the privacy aspect. You're able to get quite complicated scripts and then I could get them together using Schnorr and just make them look like regular normal transaction. And then using masters while you're able to have a complicated Bitcoin script. But then people don't know all the different possible options, which are in that script, so they can't identify certain wallets or where it came from. So it's very good for Bitcoin privacy and we should be working towards that zero knowledge proof, Grail, that we can just give a proof which says that something happened, but we don't need to explain any of the things which happen. It's also a massive efficiency saving as well, because it means that those transactions don't need to continually be played out as the transactions evaluated in the network. Ben, why is a zero knowledge proof so good as like just a normal person, what do I do? I've just given you money. You can give a proof that something happened, but you don't have to reveal any of the details of the thing which happened. So, you know, currently in Bitcoin scripts, a lot of the details of public wants the transactions happen in paid to script hash. You can see the details and you have to compute the details and to prove that the outcome is valid, whereas really, if you know the outcome, you don't need to prove that. So this is just a way in which you can prove outcomes without having to give away lots of details about the actual process of the script itself. The masked thing, if I get the money because I had the magic password or it became 12 o'clock on Tuesday or the met's one, it doesn't matter which one of these conditions gave me the money. I get the money because one of those conditions became true and the law. And all you need to do is just reveal like that condition and not all the other other conditions, which you would need to reveal. And then with the taproot thing, then you can, you can kind of make that. Even more sort of bags of so people can't do just like a transaction. So it's huge. It's a massive thing. I feel really guilty though, because when I was a CCC over Christmas, Peter Wooler did a talk on this. And they're all these like, we're not all of those about 30 like really good, you know, brains sat there watching Peter Wooler. And I was the one person who kind of like flaked out. I was like, that's just too much for me. I don't know why maybe I had a decent cup of coffee or something, but it was so high level. But you watched Peter Wooler's talk, I think it's from like mid 2018. And like, you know, I was able to spend a few days watching the guy work. He works hard. Like he's on his laptop and he's cranky, he's grinding away constantly. It's amazing when you hear them talking about some kind of very, very concept. She think is never going to happen because it's too confusing and complicated. And then a few years later, then it's rolled out and it's an actual real tangible thing that should offer example. Just in itself is a huge upgrade. It's a easy DSA was just designed just to kind of get around the paintings which no signatures had them, which is just not hiding. So so, so, sure was always better, but it wasn't too to 2008 until those pace, patents ran out that people could start using schnaub by then it wasn't because of the patents he wasn't a standard. So it wasn't used as much as it should do, but that I mean that's a huge upgrade in itself. But all these things right together these tools right to you knows how people can use these things. And we are heading towards a much more private bit comments great. Dan Eve. Yeah, I agree it's like the, the last bit you smile agree with it, but the last bit like I look back to that. David Bowie interviewer is like the internet and alien, you know, there's all these massive features that no one can even think of that are going to happen yet and sort of find the sky stuff that eventually trickles down. And so I understand it like which nor signatures will see more efficiency in the blocks as well, because if you're sending if you're using the, you know, a private key for multiple different addresses, it sort of somehow reduces it. So that's another benefit. So if you add all the keys together, so say if you have a public key. And Aaron one word and did a very good job of explaining this in one of his articles. If you have a public key, you can say times it by two and if you have a private key times up by two as well, those two keys will still match up. So you can take like a whole like 20 different public keys and 20 different private keys. If you add them all together, then they'll turn into a key which still works and can work together. So that's going to probably for batching as well for things like exchanges that sounds like it's going to help out massively. Once if it is it is it a default thing they have to implement or you know once it goes live or do you have to kind of switch it on is it like. So far, isn't it I think it's like it's not it's not yeah it's it's a soft or cool, cool, pre gentle. Yeah so, so tap fruit then and well and lightning I think lightning is going to be big this year obviously is you know we've had a couple of years of development as loads of services now that are really sort of swarking off. I was looking at Ellen how was it the one that you showed me been the other day Ellen. Ellen bits Ellen bits the one I want. Ellen pay with all and paste great Tim's I'll be struck by a few struck by this Ellen pay it was pay wall now. Older most amazing fears I was meaning to tweet this but it looks like looking at because you can see the stats of them 24 people have paid hundreds of stats for never going to give you up. So that actually means that the crazy bit going community as we are have paid to be Rick rolled. That's amazing. As well top all these other features I need to do more research there's a bit devs London that had a John newbury and. Oh he lost it. Oh and and someone from Bit devs New York can't see that all they've been a bit more discrete. Absolutely brilliant was going through the bips and you know it's a real sort of good education piece so if you're in London check out Bit dev London on the meetup.com. Because there's maybe some coming up soon definitely agreed down the meetup to where it's all happening I especially miss this not being in San Francisco anymore. I used to go to the Bitcoin developers meetups and like Ben saying I'd understand about half of it and then it would go over my head. But I saw them present lightning several times as a paper and I was able to understand it by hearing them explain it several times I'm missing out on that now. We can actually check out the YouTube channel for the San Francisco Bitcoin devs the meetup it is out there they don't live stream it unfortunately. But they do tend to upload it a week or two later so we can check that out let's go to Josh from Vol Toro your thoughts on Bitcoin and the new protocol updates in 2020. Somebody give me a seepap because I'm about to start snoring. Yeah look I think the 2020 really is super exciting we're also going to be putting some resources towards RGB which is non fungibles. Unlightening which is a very interesting use case and also Shnore I mean it's it's fantastic to see some of these technologies that really shrink down the footprint of transactions because that's everything that we're going to do. Everything that we've been talking about over the years of infighting is all about this block size and and especially when it comes to security measures like multi-seag to be able to shrink multi-seag down a lot. It would just be fantastic for the entire network so I'm very very excited about that I think they'll they'll be you know the internet started with HTTP. And no one really cared about the S and now everyone cares about the S Bitcoin started without the privacy really now you know it was it was it was talked like it was private everyone said it was private but it wasn't. And I think the time has come now where the protocol where people start that are using the protocol will understand that we need the privacy aspect to it as well and it's also very important to know that there is a difference between anonymity and privacy you know anonymous means you don't know who it is privacy means the that two parties have a private conversation they know who each other are but no one else does and. And this is a big difference and I feel like there this moving forward Bitcoin needs to have this fungibility because we're already starting to see that in the future if we do not Bitcoin will come to a stop because in terms of mainstream talking because there's no way as an exchange we need to start freezing funds because two Satoshi's were in there. That were in a theft to transactions ago and the person that brought it in didn't know we have to investigate the costs go up it just starts getting unworkable so it's about time that this really happens and it needs to happen this year. I have to imagine every Satoshi will be labeled oh this was included in the Silk Road this was included in that hack in this heist and this one's dirty because of that and I used to own that one so I want it back and so yes we really do need that fungibility we need Bitcoin to change and be more private. Oh sorry just just the last thing on that is that it does concern me about what sort of funny rules that they're going to you know the government will bring up about what Bitcoin can be used and if they you know start co-eating up with the exchanges and stuff you can end up with Bitcoin being censored as pop you know if you're getting in sense when exchange and it's come out of a mixer for example so. It does concern me that it's how long how how many hops does it take before it's clean is it ever clean you know if is it for ever tainted because surely you're going to have such a small concentration of stats that you know or so one but no small concentration of stats can come from many different places over time and people might from a philosophical but a religious point of view for example to know that someone had a certain coin and be like oh I don't I can have to get rid of that coin and stop it for another bit of Bitcoin. It's not tainted. It's interesting. No we must have fungibility like it just Bitcoin on a large scale is where work with our fungibility and I think it's very important to not become too sentimental over how currently Bitcoin works which I think people some quite significant figures within our community can do they say this is Bitcoin works this way because it's you know it's perfect as it is and and and and and it was ordained in the holy books. Yeah exactly. It needs to be it just needs to be fun to be private on the base layer and without that just it just won't work I mean it will work but it won't work as we want it to work it won't be the ultimate money you know and it's interesting to see this happening on both sides as soon as there's a hack all of the exchanges rush to the defense of all the other exchanges and they say well we're not going to cash out those dirty bitcoins we're not going to cash out those dirty bitcoins essentially creating the necessity for these privacy upgrades which will remove their money. There's a lot of their ability to clamp down on these steps which is a thing that they're selling right now as a feature of Bitcoin it's great if there's these steps we just blacklist all these Satoshi's and we're done with it. Once they start moving and especially to go over this upgrade again I really wish Max was here to explain it to us in more detail but just for me the idea that we can take these signatures convert them into just say one two three four then add up signatures one two three and four get 12 or whatever and then send 12 around. As a substitute for all these signatures so now all these signatures are in a package in a package in a package the coin joins right now one of the problems might be like dancing they're just too simple how many hops do you need if it's too simple but with these packages with these. There's a lot of people who are going to have to give up their old ideas of what Bitcoin was and that might not work for some people might prefer the old ones tying the packages with bits of string these are a few of my favorite things. So I'm going to move on to the exit question in your humble opinion what is Bitcoin's missing feature will go to Ben but I think I know what he's going to say yeah privacy privacy on the baseline or I'll go to Josh same thing. Yeah, privacy on the base layer it cannot be choice that has to be default and the exception needs to be other way around because otherwise you know you need you need to set you need the enemy set. Dan Eve the crypto raptor. Bitcoin's missing feature I think would be. I think I think confidential transactions is what everyone's crying out for the moment on the base layer. I thought for sure you're going to say all the Satoshi coin should be sent to me. The panel and I'll say privacy is the missing feature of it. I'm going to say something more extreme like Bitcoin needs Roger back but then I didn't know how many people would heckle me. Yeah, that'd be cool. I'd love it if he came back. Yeah, we were. Bitcoin.com suddenly starts funding actual Bitcoin projects Bitcoin YouTubers suddenly rolling in dough Rogers everybody's friend all these writers are getting paid. Maybe spilling beautiful could be beautiful. We're all ready to get private transactions in the folks again. He doesn't like it. He likes doesn't like change. He's very conservative in that way. But let's move on to the next issue which is did you know the world crypto network has its own audio podcast you can check it out on something called stitcher or on something called tune in or on something called pod bay. All of which are places where you can listen to audio podcasts on the world crypto network moving on to and also player FM. Oh, there's just so many places moving on to issue three. Hegs it. It seems like it was only yesterday when we were discussing YouTuber social media influencer and alleged spam king Richard Hart's latest project hex which claimed to lock your Bitcoin up on the blockchain like a certificate of deposit. The project currently 93% down from its all time high suffered another blow this weekend as the Ethereum sent to the project began to move. 36 transactions each with the hacker ask amount of one three three seven aka L3 3T aka elite aka elite if you don't have an alias you don't have an identity Ethereum around $192,000 each. The funds which were structured like a donation to hex were allegedly held in that account that even heart could not control more than $7 million worth of Ethereum were moved. And Eve is this the end of the hex project. It seems like there's still people defending it as they usually are till the till the dying Satoshi is sold on the orbit in 2053. But I don't know I think this is a sketchy as a spec of I think come maybe what's his name. So it's Richard Hart's going to come up with some sort of funny little thing like to to Toshi controls the tulip trust three controls it controls Craig writes Bitcoin and also this Ethereum which will move one day and so you know it all just seems a bit too sketchy in a scale. I think what is floating around sub west once a Toshi at the moment last much I think 60 theorems that's up down from like 19,000 or something like that. Flop it out 19,000,000,000 so this is looking very bleak for hex investors. If only they had taken that Ethereum from hex and invested in cash they could have scored 30% gains it was all the plan down they just took the money to make more money with it moving on Ben from Wales your thoughts on hex. So I mean it's the so it's the Ethereum the people who bought it up using a theorems and it was the ones who lost their bags the people who kind of did weird Bitcoin thing to get their hex they haven't lost anything I suppose. Or maybe a little bit of pride. We don't need much of that suppose. I don't know I don't think it is that I think I think which thoughts the big enough personality to kind of keep it going and he's probably got bags of hex like he's you know he secured his bag of East. And now he's got a pump and secure with bag of hex so honestly going anywhere to be honest. And what about the one three three seven why why was this chosen was it to make people believe that hex was hacked and the hacker was. It's very no it's that's that's Richard heart all over isn't everything's very well thought out and calculated even to the point where the number of the Ethereum is pulling out is is a nod so yeah no it's is that that alone is is points towards his hand you know. We're remembering that a real artists always put their signature on something if you look at the 9 11 attacks in the United States 9 11 was chosen perhaps. It's the emergency phone call number in the United States not a lot of people talk about that that that's a high level of local understanding you have to have when you're planning something much like choosing 1 3 3 7 to move your your bundles of Ethereum. Josh from Voltoro can I interest you in a bundle of Ethereum from hex. I mean I don't know too much about the project I just can't believe that people still put in money to things that are you know it's a big problem with with smart contracts still and it will be for a long time that a lot of these smart contracts are not very safe yet because the complexity issues. So the Dow we saw it happen it's the quintessential hack that gets pointed to when it comes to smart contracts losing money but there's been many of them including the multi-seag wallet of of a theorem that then also got not hacked but someone jumped on the GitHub and changed something and I mean it was weird but these things are going to keep on happening. I'm not going to say that it's straight out of scam I'm not invested I don't know anything about it but you know I just would say people you need to not jump on high be it we're part of investing is not following part of investing is seeing how something take you know why when you go to an investor to a VC as a small company. The biggest thing you'll get if you're not someone that's had a good successful exit before the first question you get it or the first comment you'll get if you haven't got a project is well we're going to see how much traction you get we're going to see how much traction you get and then they wait they wait and not only that they'll say you're interested but we're going to wait and then they could invest at any time so this is because they don't know how it's going to go maybe it'll tank maybe it's going to be a lot of money. It'll go good a part of investing is to watch something for a while understand the product market fit and all these other stuff in crypto it's all about like all these people are talking about it it's going to run and there's a big name who's got so many followers on Twitter and I'm just going to follow. And again and i've said it on shows before and I say it again this industry is teaching the normal common person what risk is because people keep burning their hands and every time they burn their hands they're going to go. Oh okay that's what that looks like unless you're an addicted gambler which there are many of but if you're if you're a rational person you start to go okay so that's the lesson I learned this time that's the lesson of learned that time and next time i'm going to you know invest in brackets a little bit smarter and I hope that's the case because I really don't. I'm just a big big for government to come in with regulations to regulate the heck out of this space because the more we do that the more it just doesn't help anyone what helps is shows like this educating people what scams look like what to look out for how to evaluate an investment and and then look if you're stupid enough to lose your money over and over and over again well you know and i'm. Obvious scam full on going after grandmas saying that the IRS is that they're the IRS and you better go to this big coin ATM and draw at this much big coin there there is a full on scam. And that they happen all the time. I just want to add so but I was just a port one three three seven also coincidence is on Wikipedia Mr TCP and you people numbers there's one one of the things in there is waste. Literally called waste encrypted file sharing program that maybe it's a reference to maybe it's reference to a port. You know he's and but I think one of the ways that people got so burned i've seen this before with a bible for example that used to be gee by or used to be bible when I was gee by or. That will get used to be good to get a part of the lost track of how many rebrands but the way they did their distribution and each time is by how hex is done like linked to a bit coin address so. If I was like looking to invest in that I wouldn't have gone anywhere near it because if you're giving your money away to to buy some of this token that other people are getting for free just because they've got a link to dress you're going to get done the hell on so. You got no chance and we saw those big dumps when you used to do their distribution sometimes it worked out because it worked out on the Ethereum thing i've got a side question on this something Josh was saying is it better to address this directly or to ignore it for example. Several major podcasters went on shows with Richard Hart they asked him questions they tried to you know see if this thing was real did all of that. Help people avoid the project or did that just further convince people like if you were on the hex thing and you watched him go with McCormick or tone or any of these guys that he went on and and tried to you know kind of expose this thing. The exposing help or did it just solidified as they saw someone who speaks very well like Richard Hart essentially verbally at least take down foe after foe go to a Dan Ben and then back to Josh who was original good. I think all publicities a good publicity and and especially in a debate like there's so many debates that I watch on all sorts of things and I read the comments and i'm like how the hell did you interpret that they won the debate and i'm literally gov smack some like what I just can't see the logic like. You know and I think that you put people who have got a bit of a vested interest like they may be a fan of Richard Hart for example and you put them against people and debate or you need is for the other for them to stay calm the other people to make silly mistakes and you're coming off like a hero whether you're right or wrong so I think that all of that did lead into a lot of the publicity and the hype you know and because he had the balls to say was 2020 he had the. Balls or not balls like a binary number they bought he had the guts to say that he wanted to challenge these people for a debate like it made him look like there was a lot of validity validity to his argument and it's almost like you know the same argument that's used against people debate and create right a lot of people saying don't debate him because you'll give you know you're giving him a platform. At least I masturbate him. debate is a key word important term here Dan because it's an intellectual and an academic term and it makes everyone think of fairness and equality i don't know if you guys have ever watched Richard's heart channel but he's very very clever what he does is whenever he has a guest or a person he's debating on he puts them in a little window he's in a big window is his graphics are perfect their graphics are always terrible. Their sound is always wishy wash his sound is always perfect and another really neat thing he does and again I might copy this guy's great at what he does. But I saw him talk to Roger there and Roger and him went back and forth maybe 45 minutes maybe an hour and a half it was really long interview thing. And after a while Roger tired and it was towards the end and Richard had maybe a thousand people watching it right so he finishes off with Roger then he's like well I got a thousand people here. And I think he talks about extra three or four hours after that so he just goes and goes and goes and again you have to have equality in a debate you can't go into a place where someone's putting you in a little box or they control the video and they're in the big box and they can mute you all the time that's not going to be an academic debate that's going to be one of these Hollywood media debates which. Are a lot like a debate but they're not going to get that actual academic truth that you might be looking for yeah vote I like those like the like endurance evangelism things are which you get in like a cult where the cult leader speaks like eight hours straight in his parishioners all like time weakening at the new. And as he builds just keep talking eloquently it's a derence because imagine if you just watched him fight Roger and Roger's tired he going out and Richard's going to do three or four hours and if you were wavering in your belief but then you watch the remaining three hours oh you'd be you'd be sold that he's a very bright guy and a lot of the things he says I actually quite agree with and I think that he got a particular type of Bitcoin or on the you know what you would box in maybe it's what they would call themselves a friend of ourselves as a maximalist which in itself is like an Oh True Scottsman I said it before. You just you end up with if you say you know no true Scottsman would ever you know eat carrots and then you end up with this caricatured version of what a Scottsman actually is and that's exactly what Bitcoin has tried to do with this maximalist agenda thing bollocks like you know no true maximalist would do this don't you end up with this very caricatured interpretation of what a Bitcoin or is and what Bitcoin is. And if you if you're arguing with someone like that who just says that absolutely everything around them is complete scam complete fraud there's no other projects or nothing else on this planet which is of interest which isn't Bitcoin. Then I mean that's an inherently flawed decision like you know it's it's it's quite easy to argue against that kind of opinion I remember the one with Jackamo he did and that was probably the one where. And Jackamo was kept a lot of he didn't he you know the good job I just but the way in which Jackamo got through it was he said you know i'm not doing that maximum of things so much anymore i'm trying to be a little bit more accepting of other projects you know tell me about. text blah blah blah and you let Richard just just like talk through the technicals and and kind of show how it's to be. You know maybe a little bit questionable whereas the other someone like that British guy can remember his name who went on and just called him a scammer it was stupid it made it make it go to waste. At a time time phase is another one and to be fair to Richard heart like he's made some excellent calls in the past on the Bitcoin price. And I would I would rank him for his calls when he comes out and does a call I would I would listen to that far more than I would listen to one item very so. So so he has a lot of respect and he has a lot of interesting points of view and maybe this project has some interest like the idea of like giving interest itself to people in some some ways is kind of interesting maybe. That obviously he's done it in a way which really enriches himself and and and and the real one of the whole project is obviously him so. And you're giving your bags to him but now that there's there's there's just a very kind of guy is a clever guy is a clever guy in these he's um. I kind of still want him so I don't want to disappear I wanted to continue doing what he's doing but not scamming people and like hopefully knows that's a bit fat back so you can sit back with and then just get back onto. I think he's focusing on the important stuff and on Bitcoin I did like it's a multi sorry the multi summit his questioning of Craig Craig right and that was pretty that was good you know more more of that less of the pyramid. Well now it's got the money to do that hasn't he so yeah I mean I think he always had the money I think he was pretty crashed up but. Um you know again I don't know the ins and outs I'm too busy to really look into some of these some of these projects but uh but at the end of the day he's a very good marketer as well and someone on this panel said before any any good. Publicity is any publicity is good publicity and you know Trump knows that very well he works on that. Um and uh so just us talking about you know I mean there was another project during the whole ICO phase that the guy came out or that they put a website out um and it's gone like the day after and then two days like and had pictures of him at the beach and on the aeroplane and then two days later. The robes like in the easy like in a golden like bathroom you got robes and shit. I think so yeah and you know and then it came out then then they put it back and said no just kidding um this is just to highlight the fact that there are a lot of scams and how easy it would have been for us to do that if we wanted to so we need more regulations blah blah blah blah blah blah. But um you know the the fact is that it got a hell of a lot of publicity all of it and it was a big publicity stunt apparently um I don't know if they were testing the waters to actually exit exit scam or they were or it was a publicity stunt either way it was massive publicity and this could be the same by Richard Hart. I mean he could have who I don't have access siphon a bunch off everyone starts talking and chatting about this project because they're down 93% from the old time highs I mean that's a heck of a lot of a drop if you bought in the top there that's uh that's uh I mean it's a pain store. It's an it I know I mean a lot of the people who are probably the Ethereum people who are buying up this hack stuff uh they they would have English as maybe a second of my baby they don't even speak English and they just see all these YouTube videos within with them. While my personalities in Bitcoin and it just gives them you know like will be people in China buying up packs you know um uh and so so so it really shows the importance of the project that all these well known people are willing to go on there and debate with him. It's the project. Yeah yeah exactly and so yeah I mean um yeah that's that's my take it's uh it's good publicity. All right just going back to what Ben said uh I do think that certificate of deposits being able to time lock and lock down your Bitcoin maybe get interest for locking it down a certain amount of time something like that is going to come to Bitcoin eventually but it'll probably come through code see things like having it in the blockchain having it time locked on the blockchain it won't necessarily be an add on coin but that's how you sell things you say that something's very close to something that is real then you say my thing does it now you sell it in the now. And then when the later thing comes who cares like we're saying you already have your seven million dollars or whatever it is and I agree with what Ben said that calling things a scam in an interview just going scam scam scam and attacking people isn't useful what was actually useful what was what was Jaco Mo did trying to get Richard Hart to explain his side of it so we really understand it but then like they're saying in the chat eventually Jaco Mo pulled out his surprise joke gag on it Richard didn't laugh or think it was funny. And just kind of understood it and chocolate that Jaco was bummed out and then he left and a minute of a story by Howard Stern who talks about it in his new interview book and what he says is when he was younger and he was the shock jock Howard Stern he would attack people and he would get nothing out of these interviews and you would say horrible things and his fans loved it sure but the actual interview would be worthless so you have to look at these you know I'm going to call scam and I'm going to go get him interviews they're just not very useful in the time and they're not useful. Later, whereas maybe a more reasonable approach trying to get the information out of them and just if they look silly they look silly would be valuable. And I also think it degrades the term scam and I think I've also said that on the show before you know the word scam is really an important word or words words are important yeah that sounds stupid but they really are to have a definite definition of a word and you know scam is someone that goes out there to obviously and understands that they are never going to create a project and are going to run away with the money. Someone creating an experiment where they think it might and then it blowing up and because someone thinks the economics aren't right and it's going to go south but the person creating it didn't that's not a scam inherently. And it's important because there are real scams out there and these need to be pointed out if everything's a scam then the real scams the real real scams don't get seen like big connect and one coin. Yeah, their idea is just a bad idea that it's simply stupid but it's not cool to call things stupid anymore so you call it a scam like Josh is saying but the words do matter if it's just a bad idea it may be you know ignorant stupid whatever word you want to use go ahead. Oh sorry I was just saying like thinking in fairness obviously there's there's intent is the you know it's a big thing at the moment a lot of words are losing their kind of meaning because you know what you know it's easy to accuse some of the something that's you know a high grade terrible thing but then they're not actually like that. And for example I'm not going to give any examples but you know it's only been not sees all the life like something stupid like that when it comes to everyone's a Nazi like no one's a Nazi like you know that's a real bad word not because you know these people who had just they just to be mind of be Nazis for example. I mean that's a big thing so what what I'm going on about there is the fact that what was I going on words words of me so you may not intend to scan someone but when you think about it like this like if you commit a crime just because you complete ignorance but that's not a legal position as such so I do think there's an element of people that need to be guided who are intentionally not they would never scan people but they are not in a position to you know to be. Making decisions and and you know they may be doing something that's illegal so that's not a they're not attending to scum but they are scamming as such or committing you know legal activity but you're not going to win those people over and get into reconsider their ideas if you just call names you win people over by educating them and I think that yeah that plays an important part I think there's a lot of unintentional scum is out there too. I do agree Dan I think intense and port the entire legal systems about intent and with these things like all things it's on a scale how stupid is your idea how obvious should it be that it's a bad idea or. That could actually work and that it only became obvious later that it was a bad idea I must have to work as well see it's you're in a good position if you just say everything's terrible idea and stupid then 98% of the time you're going to be right and then. There's something business like well meaning has always been a defense we have to pay the mortgage we had to be the dog you know yeah but I mean there's also really obvious educational. On ramp or learning curve for a lot of people where just because something's that has a market cap of billions. I can create a coin with a billion coins so one of them for one dollar and all of a sudden my market cap is you know a billion because that one so for one dollar and I'm holding a billion so these are the sorts of things where. Economic understanding basic economic understanding real rudimentary stuff needs and it seems rudimentary but actually the to the mainstream it's not and you see that with. With things like where the commissites where the full stop sits in terms of is a denominator or a numerator the these sorts of things are really really basic. You learn it in you know the first year high school but and they they they really help a lot of actual scammers who taught themselves to have massive multi billion dollar or whatever multi million dollar projects when really they just sold their mates a couple of coins. And it's easy to have your eyes blinded when you're trying to make money and you're going to make 30% returns and even in the chat they're saying wow it's gone down if it's gone down to a Satoshi well if it doubled you know I'd make lots of money from one Satoshi to two Satoshi's but if you think about it really logically how much buying pressure where there have to be on the thing to make it double how many people out there are going to buy this thing and sometimes more people buy it than you think. And the fact that you can do sub sub Satoshi people forget about the sub Satoshi markets and the east markets and then the hard core dosage market so you think you think there's just stack it's just stack to one Satoshi and then you look at theory markets and it's the whole of not point not one Satoshi you know. There are things lower than one Satoshi let's move on to the exit question why do people keep giving their hard earned money to obvious scams that promise 30% returns Dan Eve. People like the easy route the same with like people who go for you know they'll go for diet pills they'll go for the exercise video that says you only need to do two minutes of standing up a day they'll go for anything that's like the easy money the quick money the fast way out and it's sad but you know we've probably all done it in some way in your lives. Ben from Wales. Yeah it's just gambling scambling as Josh said a couple of times for important is that you do learn people learn you know everyone on this panel to probably lost money doubling around with crack coins. And then you do learn your lessons so but what does suck is obviously the people who learn the lesson last are usually the most vulnerable in society which again Josh said they're the source of people who generally targeted with the actual scams so. Yeah yeah people do learn so hopefully people will be impacted all these projects won't be as profitable as they are now while people are still learning eventually when we're not we're doing. Josh there's a lack of edgimication out there. I agree with that. It's a lack of edgimication it's change and good. Yeah I would agree with the whole panel it's a lot like I was walking through Casino yesterday and I looked at all the people pumping away on the slot machines and I try to think about it in nice ways I try to think nice things about them but really they're just all wanting to be hit by lightning. And it's so rare that someone's actually hit by lightning but there's still a chance so they're they're plugging away on the machine and a couple hundred dollars here and a hundred dollars there and they're plugging away. $100 there and they're plugging away and they want to be the one that's struck by lightning. And I guess these these new crypto scams are the same thing. You have this story that goes around my friend made lots of bit money in Bitcoin or lots of money in Ethereum or lots of money in altcoin X or whatever it was. And I want to get struck by lightning like them too. So it's definitely something in human interest, something we can't stop doing and something that keeps happening no matter how many people warn you about the scam or seemingly the whole industry, but it felt like the same thing with BitConnect where I thought it was a scam and not even worth talking about. And then it got big and went down anyway, the same thing with one coin, although that wasn't really crypto people, that was normal people. Maybe the same thing with these, maybe they're hitting new on ramps of people the same way that the altcoins like Dash are now moving from a lower country from developing country to developing country running the same scam on them. So oh well, everything will be evenly distributed eventually like William Gibson said sort of moving on to issue four issue four Bitcoin safe word. Elon Musk is tantalizing Bitcoiners again returning to Twitter to claim that Bitcoin is his safe word. Perhaps hinting that the currency is not sexy, referring to his alleged unborn child, which may or may not have been recently deposited into pop star crimes or a signal that the engineer and technology entrepreneur may soon be accepting Bitcoin on Mars. Then from Wales, what does Musk continue Bitcoin obsession mean for the fledgling cryptocurrency? I mean like Elon Musk has been into probably aware and been paying attention to Bitcoin probably longer than all of us because he was just working on PayPal and he wanted PayPal to be that to begin with and he couldn't do it because he saw the way of he gold and did you cash as well and how that and how that there trusted the party issue meant that they had to or PayPal had to comply with the compliance and regulations. So he would have been very aware of Bitcoin very, very early on and it would have been surprised if he was involved in some aspect of it quite early on as well. So yeah, no, so I think he plays his cards right. He's obviously a bit corner and then he's just sitting back and then play its way out and every now and then when he thinks the community needs a little bit of a boost, he puts that a little tweet or a little crumb for people. So yeah, he's definitely a bit corner. I agree, Ben, it's all about the history. The media is so excited about Tesla and SpaceX and even here locally in Vegas, the boring company, they're drilling a tunnel. There's going to be an actual underground tunnel here that they forget about PayPal and X.com and all the thing that must and the rest of the crew Hoffman at all did back in the day and how it really was revolutionary. There wasn't a way to spend money online. There was no way to buy things and PayPal came along and suddenly eBay was really useful and that was a great thing for a lot of people and the idea was there like you say to move the money around. I had PayPal on my palm pilot. I tried to pay people back for dinner. I think we only did it one time after that the fees were too high. Crypto Raptor, your thoughts on Elon Musk and his safe word. Haha, you're muted. I can't believe it. Unmute myself. Here we go. Yeah, obviously he's trying to give out little teasers and things like that. I wouldn't surprise me if he's a massive bag holder. I think once he said he's got 1.5 or 0.75, I don't believe that. I think he lost the rest in a boat accident as they do. What's interesting is Peter Tiel, he's the co-founder of PayPal. He's a big one, general crypto advocate. You can tell that those have probably been chatting about it for a while and been monitoring what's going on. Obviously, we've seen Facebook take note of Bitcoin and how that's moving from Twitter. It seems like a lot of the big, reassuring a lot of the big tech giants who kind of rule the routes down a's are getting into Bitcoin and at least know about. I think that's very good for the ecosystem and also getting their seal of approval as well. A lot of people are thinking Elon Musk is annoying. A lot of people really respect him and to have someone who you really respect talk about Bitcoin, it gives a bit more validity to those people who would have just dismissed it until one of their fans. Basically, Bitcoin is going to spread by fanboys. It's all going to be like, big people slowly coming out of the Bitcoin closet and then their fans suddenly going, well, actually, you turn on that. It's not so. I never see any major crypto celebrities saying they like Litecoin. Josh Gagalla. I love Litecoin. We're going to have a Litecoin silver pair, by the way. That's that Bitcoin to Litecoin. It's always one. It's always one. No, I wish you look. Elon Musk has tweeted over 5,000 tweets in his time and probably more and has 30 million something followers. He's a technologist. There's going to be every so often a tweet about Bitcoin. I mean, it's pretty, pretty important technology. He's a technologist. I don't think we should read too much into it. This is typical dump, pump, pump, pump, pump, pump, things and people like, wow. Musk, the almighty has tweeted this means that Tesla is going to have self-driving cars where people are living, they're like, no, he's a technologist. He's absolutely addicted to Twitter and every so often he's going to tweet about cool technology. That was a perfect impression of the internet, Josh. That's exactly what happened. All right. Move on to the exit question. Who's a bigger fan? Elon Musk who screams out Bitcoin as his say for it. Jack Dorsey who accepts Bitcoin with a cash app and promotes it on Twitter or Mark Zuckerberg who likes Bitcoin so much, he made his own copy. Crypto Raptor. I think a bit of a plot twist and actually Zuckerberg who has probably given the least of a nod to Bitcoin than the other two was very jealous of what they called the, I can't always forget the things. The other twins. Ony and Danny DeVito and he's been stacking sats and he probably has more Bitcoin than those two just because he's like, I got to win, I got to win, I got to win. It's always the quiet one in the corner who loves you the most. Yeah. I'm the, I'm the, I'm, I'm, I'm, I think that, I know he's got the lever things, I don't think he's, he's into Bitcoin. But on the, I was looking, saying, no, on the WhatsApp thing, it now says like from Facebook on it, because like Facebook bought it. I was just imagining like a, like a Liberty Xbox on WhatsApp. Like, like in Telegram, if you, by the way, it's in reference to LNT X, so if you haven't played with LNT X, but on Telegram, then play with that is an amazing project. Twitter, Jack, Jack, Jack Dorsey, because of the Iranian stuff, I've been watching the news as we all should be paying attention to it as I can. And quite often the news is they throw up a tweet and then they talk about the tweet. So within our new material world, like Twitter is very, very important for communicating information. And I think one of Bitcoin's truly bullish indicators is that the person who's behind that project is a massive Bitcoin on us. It's this thing which, you know, is so well embedded into the whole of the world society. So, all the West society at least. So, so, yeah, no, so Jack Dorsey, you're wondering what the question was, but Jack Dorsey being Bitcoin is, I like that. Still waiting for that little Bitcoin button below the tweet, there are a lot of plug-ins on a real one. Josh from Vol Toro, who's the biggest Bitcoin fan? Musk, Dorsey or Zuckerberg? Definitely Jack Dorsey. I think he's, you know, I mean, he, it's very hard to claim for an open source project to claim and handle back and somehow I think he made that happen. The Bitcoin, that Bitcoin handle got taken back from something that was pointing people to a different chain. And so that's, you know, that's pretty, pretty cool. And also, I think we also see a huge potential, like Ben said, that we have someone that owns, well, a network that runs headline aggregation across the internet at lightning speeds, very centralized, horribly centralized, but and can de-platform you in a jiffy like they did with AJ or Alex Jones for those that don't know the internet, you know, conspiracy, nomenclature, and I'm, yeah, they're not, it's not a gravity thing. Yeah, I think it's extremely bullish. What I would like to see though, honestly, Jack, if you're watching this, of course is. Come on. Yeah, of course you are. You've obviously stayed until now and we're talking you to sleep. But come on, add that little button, add, make Bitcoin part of it. I mean, we are part of it. Oh, also, while we're at it, Wikipedia, come on guys, don't hide Bitcoin as a donation. You know, you call yourself an open platform. It's an amazing platform. I love it. I love Wikipedia. I'll always stand up for it. Thank you very, very much for creating that amazing thing. But come on, it's an open source, a decent open source, borderless information. It needs to at least accept an open borderless internet native currency Bitcoin. So come on, put it in there, Jack, put it in there and come on, put it into Wikipedia. So go and go back to our lampe by the way, Schilling Lamp, a little bit here. But I did a little video on Twitter, things last week and it was setting up just a tip, invoice generation thing using Lamp, and it took me like a minute. You can, you can self this invoice as a PNG and then you can drop that PNG in your website in any web page and every time someone hits that web page boom, it just generates a new invoice for zero and you can tip it. And it took so little time and it's just such a good service. So it would be very, there's a very good way of, you know, at the bottom of the Wikipedia article, you just have a tiny little QR code and send it, send some lightning, great. And if only they used a plug-in like pro tip, which could automatically tip the web pages you visit and is cryptid and you don't have to do anything, you don't have to invent your own currency, you don't have to block advertisements and enter into agreements with them, but I know, no, it was better to invent their own currency. But I want to second what Josh said about Jack and Twitter. They could give bank accounts for everyone, bank the unbanked, they have a trouble, why do you need a Twitter account? What if your Twitter account was your bank account? What if you communicated and you banked through the system and they're having all this stuff, they're trying to do it with Libra, Facebook's all ahead of you, Jack, you could jump right in front of him by using Bitcoin. You don't need any regulations, the currency is already there, you don't control it. You just add it as a service, suddenly. Jack doesn't rush. What do you account as a bank account? Jack doesn't rush. There's a really good foundation interview with Jack Dorsey. And then he talks about when he came with the idea for Twitter and it was years before he went anywhere near programming Twitter. And he sat back and he went, it's a great idea, but the world's not ready. He shelves it and then about three years later he worked on it. So he's in no rush, they will happen. The world wasn't even ready when he launched it. I mean, I didn't understand it for about a year and this was about 10 years ago. I thought, I just want to blog something. What's with the micro blogging? Yeah, but also only worked if it was centralized through them. It was never a distributed thing. It could have been many servers. There could have been many versions of the Twitter protocol and the Twitter client. But instead they had the centralized thing. At first they had an API and anyone could write programs for it. But then that went away. And now people are talking about maybe having APIs and having interoperability and doing these things again. But I want to just stick up for Elon Musk, who no one shows as the biggest Bitcoin fan. Like Ben was saying, he helped invent PayPal with X.com. For all we know, he is Satoshi Nakamoto or a member of the team that created Bitcoin. He had an interest in creating digital money, the cipher fund vision, the dream of spending money on the internet. Of course, PayPal could have done this at the time. But they realized very quickly as the rest of us realized, if you could trade PayPal coins or whatever you want to call them off of the PayPal website, then you could trade PayPal coins for all kinds of horrible nasty things. And PayPal would be in some way responsible for this. That's why Libra is having such a hard time getting off the ground. Because if he traded Libra for all kinds of these nasty things, Facebook would be responsible. And then the regulators who approved Facebook would be responsible. Jack can sidestep all this and just add Bitcoin to Twitter directly. You can save the day. Maybe Elon will tell him to do it. But we're running out of time. We're moving on to predictions or a story of the week. We'll go to Dan first. Are you ready with a prediction or a story of the week? I just thought, okay, so I've got a slightly more for quick. So first of all, I had a awesome trip just mission for Europe, which was pretty cool for New Year's Eve. And I decided that I've decided like putting a short list together of different tunes. I'm going to do for some crypto covers. So I'm going to give myself some targets this year and spend a bit more time on the music side and just doing the fun stuff. Also, we'll have some news coming from tricky soon about some advancements with our hotel platform. And potentially, I can't say much, but we're going to be making a change to the payment system. And what else? And then also digital Isle of Man as well. So we've been chatting to these guys there. They've asked me to say, if you've got a blockchain crypto Bitcoin startup and you're looking for funding accelerator, that sort of thing, then they'd be interested to hear from you. So that's digital Isle of Man. I'll be helping them with Nindev doing a conference. So hopefully we'll get some WCN coverage of that too. And then what's the next thing? The next thing is the last thing. Oh, well, that was it. The BitDevs meetup. The London BitDevs meetup is on the 16th. So it's with Christian Moss. And that's we work. It's 615 on London on the 16th. So, well, it's in the 15th. Well, it's in the 15th. Well, it's in the 15th. If you want to join. All right, very cool. Thanks, Dan. All right, Ben from Wales. Your prediction story of the week or maybe New Year's resolutions, what you're looking on for the new year like Dan was saying. Nothing, not I really thought about it. Just trying to build more stuff and trying to not go to so many, because we weren't still in a conference last year. And it was they consume a lot of energy and time. I wanted to see my cable. More boxes. More. More. More. Jeez, man. Aren't you doing one as well? That was. Keep that on the TV. No, there is there is there is some stuff in the works, maybe for something, obviously around workshops and building and all that sort of stuff. We'll come to that later later day. Alan bits have been doing some work on Alan bits. We've been making it so it's can have any funding source behind it. So Alan D's almost done, I think. I've been doing that. But then we'll also put it over to Lightning and everything else. You'll be able to put the Alan bits project on anything with any funding source. So currently it's sort of in a barely MVP. We're actually using LNTX in the background. So that's that's that's that project coming along nicely. There was a pretty cool technical thing which we'll fiddle around with at CCC, which was using. So when you make like a like a LN URL faucet, so like a lightning network faucet, which you can retrieve funds from. Alan URL actually has a fallback. So you can add a prefix of a URL which we did with Alan bits. So if you were to scan the QR code with just a regular normal QR code scanner without a wallet, it would then go to Alan bits and instantly build a wallet for you with the funds. And it was really cool. And I liked what you were saying, actually, might be for about the not having to download the wallet. Because this is like a web wallet thing. You just have it on your phone. And then you bookmark that page. So there's no downloading there at all. And he's putting like a login thing or something. Anyway, I'm waffling again. But the LN bits things projects coming along nicely, which is fantastic. There is some cool stuff in the works, which I did actually hope to announce, but it's still 100% sell. So I'm not going to do that. But apart from that, just really looking forward to 2020. It's going to be great. Pop the geocalical stuff is going to suck and everything else and buy climate change. But the Bitcoin stuff is probably going to be pretty cool. So that's something sort of forward to Silverline. Josh, could go on your predictions, story of the week, or New Year's resolutions? What are you working on the New Year? On the New Year, we have got a whole lot of stuff happening in Valtour. So it's head down, keep on building. We're working on the transparency protocol. A lot of the big stuff that I'm into is transparency in this whole thing, especially for exchanges. And we invented the Glassbooks Protocol back in 2015, 2014. And now we're going to take that into the next level. We really want to try to get hot wallets to be transparent without showing all the different addresses. This is something that's kind of interesting me and keep an eye on that. Also, I just want to give a big shout out to all the people my sister. She is a brain shumer. And she has raised now $38,000. So thank you very much for everyone that's donating, keeping track of that. She's an amazing person. So check out Leia Lovehart on GoFundMe. If you're interested in that, she does have a big contrast there, too. But yeah, really big thanks. And I'm really excited to see 2020. It's one of these years that you cross over. I remember, I love these round numbers. Everyone loves round numbers. And I think we've had two years of pretty bearish. Last year was kind of bearish sidewards markets. I'm really excited for this entire year to see what people build. Things like what you're building, Ben, is just stunning. I really love that I'm bit. I tried it out when you were here in Berlin. And it was super cool to be able to just have a faucet where you grab coins. And actually, the Insta Wallet thing does remind me of Insta Wallet back in 2011. I think there was this thing called Insta Wallet. Unfortunately, it was an exit scam and they ran. But it was a really cool idea where you just load up a page. It would randomly come up with a URL, which would be a public address. And that would show your private. That was your private key. So you just had to bookmark that. And you could instantly accept coins without any hassle. And then you could send from there, too. But obviously, there was ridiculous privacy issues there and hacking hackability issues. That was extremely centralizing all that jazz. But all these ideas are little seeds. Of ideas. And they are only going to get better in 2020. All right. Thanks, Josh. And the same thing. I don't know, a story of the week prediction, new years. Working on the World Crypto Tour 2020, trying to get the conferences to work with us. Our goal, really, when going to these conferences to get you the main stage speakers here on the World Crypto Network, I think we've got the live couch going really good with Dan and Ben. We're there. And Josh were there. We went all over Europe and did that. So I'd like to do that again next year. Our goal is to get some sponsors on that, both on the tour and deals with the conferences. So if you know any conferences, you'd like us to attend. Or maybe you run a conference. We can work out a little deal. Maybe you give us some money for expenses. And then we help you promote. And then you help us get the main stage speakers onto our show. And then we do a really good show for the audience. And they get to enjoy it for free on YouTube. So that's the basic plan. Here's our fundraiser right here for the Madbit Coins 2019 fundraiser. We're still trying to break even from what we spent traveling the world in 2019. We created more than 53 proof of work interviews, as well as live streams that almost all the conferences we went to, live streams from the Transylvania Crypto conference that hackers Congress in Prague, Bitbrum in Birmingham. We did some other live... CoinFest in Manchester. The launching Bitcoin. And the launching Bitcoin. It's a tones conference. What's it called? Skateboard, Vegas. So we went all over. And all these interviews are all going to be coming out right here on World Crypto Network. We did them in big, long live streams then I went through and I cut them all up. They're all scheduled. So if you just subscribed, give us a thumbs up. Stay tuned to the World Crypto Network. We're going to have all those interviews come out. And if we're lucky and we can work out some sponsors, some deals, maybe some kind of Bitcoin Zillionaire, drop some money on this address right here on your screen right now. And if we have... Hey! If we have... Just find out a little. Find out a little. Well, it's probably the price of Bitcoin. We've been doing well with the price going... I think BTC went on. I don't know if you know. But yeah, if we had the donations, we'll travel, we'll do more interviews. If we don't, we'll just try to keep these shows going here. Our goal is to bring back the Bitcoin group, hopefully bring back today and Bitcoin. At least a couple of days, try to get some more people doing shows on here. I know it's been a little quiet recently. A lot of people had some time off for the holidays. And I know the podcast and YouTube community doesn't respect time off at all. They're not interested in that. I was listening to Kevin Smith and Joe Rogan today, kind of older podcast, but I'm really enjoying it. And one of the things they said is they had this idea, we could do seasons. And you do 10 episodes or whatever. You call it a season and then you're done. And then you take a month off or whatever. And I thought that wasn't really clever idea. But Joe was starting to push back at him. He was saying, no seasons, that's more of a corporate idea. If you were paid for a season, you'd get together and do 10 episodes. But since we're not really paid, and a lot of other YouTubers are definitely not paid, maybe you should just do an episode every day for five years, like PewDiePie did. Maybe that's the better model. So it was funny to hear them go back and forth on that. Well, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I for one I'm really excited for the the mad tour to continue as the Bitcoin price, as you know, for ex-at-home. The Bitcoin price does rise when mad big coins gets into a plane. It's uncanny. And if yeah, so I'm actually really excited because we all know that the killer app for blockchain is conferences. And I want to see every single conference covered by mad big coins himself. And I think there's a big, big part to play with these conferences, because some of these talks are very, very interesting. And I'd love to get a little bit in more in depth into them and be able to watch them from the comfort of my home, home, home. And part of what we're offering with the World Crypto Network, if you're a conference out there, if you know somebody that runs a conference, is that the speeches are great. But a lot of the times it's the same speech. And they go conference to conference giving the same speech. What if your conference was the one where after their speech they sat down and asked them some interesting questions. And we're going to take questions from the internet. We're going to have one of those websites where you can vote the questions up or down. We'll ask the top three questions for sure, something like that. We'll also try to just read the panel. Maybe we'll have a long couch. Maybe we can get Adam back and Peter Todd on there at the same time. And they'll disagree about something. And they'll argue with each other. That's what we're going for. We're doing this Johnny Carson long couch. We've got all the tools, the technology. We just need a little bit of money for flights and hotels, Airbnb's, whatever. We stay cheap. We stay on couches. It doesn't matter. But that's what we do at the World Crypto Network. That's what we hope to do in 2020. So anytime you guys can support us with $5. donation, $20.00 into nation buying a t-shirt. If we try to sell you a t-shirt in the future, things like that. That really helps support us. And if the t-shirts, $25, but t-shirts only cost $5.00, understand the money's going into the travel. It's going into the content, the cameras, and whatever. And the same thing if we're selling. We're working on another project with Corey. I wanted to mention we haven't gotten to promote it very much. Corey's been a little sick recently. But it's going to be World Crypto Network, the documentary. And we're going to go back into the archives and try to find some cool stuff and bring it to you. That's probably going to be on Vimeo right now as a test of Vimeo. We're testing out selling the trailer for a dollar. Not going very well. No one's bought the trailer for a dollar. So it's not a good sign if you're going to sell a documentary for $10.00. And you can't sell a trailer for a dollar. But we're still continuing on on this project because we think it's historic and it's worth doing. And there's a lot of great footage in there, early days, Chris Ellis and Dres and Tenoppelis, Roger Ver, Blake Ellis, all these Charlie Lee, Charlie Shem, all these kind of people, Jimmy Song, Tonevase, vortex. There's lots of people on the World Crypto Network. And it's hard because it kind of drifts back into that YouTube archive. And I do think that we can do many documentaries. This would just be one of the first ones. And I think there's a lot of good footage in there. So that's 2020. We're working on all those goals. Maybe we'll even have our own conference or our own hangout here for World Crypto Network fans. So save up your travel money. If you want to join us on the World Crypto tour, hopefully there'll be a spot near you or maybe you can come to multiple events. Or if you just want to save up and join us at the end in Vegas, should be a pretty cheap flight, cheap hotels, Vegas. And drill that like button down below, drill it. Yeah, give us a thumbs up. And thumbs up likes share the tweet. That's right. And I think it can help you can send it on to your favorite conference or send it to your favorite influencer and say, hey, do you watch this show or hey, I like this show have you seen it and anything like that, it might help. You might be the one who pushes it over and introduces Jack Dorsey or Elon Musk to this show. So imagine that you could be a hero. It could be what we're running out of a time. This is very long. Go ahead. Well, last, practical advice actually. So very good practical advice. Now that we're in the year 2020, if you have to date stuff, make sure you put 2020. Because for the next 10 years, people can back date stuff by putting an own eye in afterwards if you've just been 20. So you've got to make sure you put 2020. Oh, I thought you were worrying about the time travelers were going to put a 19 in front of it and go back and cash your check in the 1920s. Oh, God damn. They can hold sides from both sides. But we're out of time for today. So until next time, give us a thumbs up and a share and a like and all those things. Until next time, bye, bye.