of to my nostar. Dan Eve the crypto raptor still muted. I'm still on mute. Sorry about all this GG's. I was going to forgot my saying now. Okay, no corner. Josh Gagalla from Valtora. How do you hope folks? And I'm Thomas Hunt from the world crypto network moving on to issue one. crypto scam exit? According to Bloomberg, the magazine, not the presidential candidate, a Chinese crypto scam known as plus token is currently exiting the market and may be responsible for the recent Bitcoin price drop. The alleged pyramid scheme promised returns as high as 600,000 percent and guaranteed investors would be rewarded for inviting new users. An estimated 25,000 Bitcoins have been sold with around 20,000 waiting allegedly in more than 8,700 unique addresses. Ben from Wales, I ask you, could this purported Ponzi provide for Bitcoin's recent decline? Yeah, absolutely. I mean, it's such a huge amount of Bitcoin. I think they must was a 1% of all Bitcoin, whether the plus the plus token scam. But I think the real interesting thing is the sort of timing. So I know them, I think it was in the past 24 hours, they moved 105 million dollars worth of Ethereum. And they've been dumping Bitcoin in the Ethereum and it has been pushing the price down. I think chain analysis, we can't, they can't, it's definitely contributed to the volatility of Bitcoin's price and to the Ethereum's price as well. But we've seen a drop in both of those. But I would say that when you talk about guaranteeing hundreds of percent worth of return these sort of easy referral programs, it doesn't help, but I can't help but think of something like Hex now. I think the two are kind of interlinked almost that, Texas has been the most successful thing on the Ethereum network after Crypto Kitties and is providing a lot of liquidity into Ethereum. And if you've got a lot of Ethereum that you want to dump quite quickly, then now's probably the time to do other's or this liquidity out there. And that would also probably point towards that, you know, the Bitcoin's price is decline, Ethereum's price is decline because of this dumping. But it would point towards, you know, if Ethereum's like, you know, in the Bitcoin, we're not, that was people buying Bitcoin's, they get on run point to ICOs pretty much. So if we've got lots of people buying and using Ethereum to be able to onboard onto the Hex thing, then that's going to push the price up even though you've got all that downward momentum from from Plus token. So I don't think Ethereum's reacted anywhere near as much as it should have from the dumping. And I think they know that Plus token know that and that's why they're dumping or planning to dump Ethereum now or having dumping Ethereum. So yeah, no, it's going to have a massive impact on on the price on Bitcoin. And we just kind of ride it out, the stuff happens, you know, but now they are dumping those Bitcoin's, they are going into hands of more people. So I was having Bitcoin become more decentralized, which is good for the ownership of Bitcoin at least. Dan Eve. That is an interesting point actually Ben, I hadn't thought about that before, about the fact that even though it gets swallowed up, it then goes out and gets distributed probably even further. So that's kind of a side consequence, which is quite, you know, it's bad, but a bad situation, but at least there's some good out of it to a certain extent. But it does look like from the graph that when Plus tokens, they were arrested in China, what was it right at the top at 14, like I think they pointed out on the Bloomberg article. So it does seem very perfectly timed with the start of the dumps. And if they've been easing out since then, but we'll see, hopefully the harving will counter that since we're less than 180 days now away. Josh Kogala. Yeah, what Ben said is really true about the redistribution, greed redistributes things a lot of the time. And a lot of people don't realize that. In fact, I've got a good, I used to work for one of the richest guys in Australia, yeah, Kerry Packer. And he used to, it was a medium ogle and like Murdoch. And really, one of the richest people in the world, I would say as well. Now, he died. His son was left this massive fortune. He decided, right, three, yeah, more and decided to build all these casinos through the, through Asia. And of course, I think, I mean, he blew a lot, a lot of money. And none of them worked. A lot of them, like I think, I don't know if all of them failed, but the vast majority of them failed. Now, all the people that make carpets, the walls, the painters, the poker machine creators, all of those people, of course, naturally got paid. And this is the good thing about greed. I don't want to be like the 90s greediest good guy. But really, at the end of the day, that's what happens is that these people get so greedy that they want more. And then it gets redistributed. But it's very, very unfortunate at the same time. I don't want to celebrate that idiocy. But at the same time as I was talking about it, this is, you can never underestimate the power of a solid Ponzi. It's, I mean, if you look at one coin and how massive it was filling stadiums, guys, I remember looking at that, just being flabbergasted how many idiots there are out there. And again, why shows like these are so important because it helps educate the masses about what a scam looks like before they fall into it and redistribute their own wealth. We looked at, well, we spoke about Hex last week as well. And we've done just before the kind of hidden markets and what is now one, two, Satoshi, Bitcoin Satoshi. And if you've seen the tweets coming out from the account, it's like, hey, do you know when something drops 90% and like you could, might in front, 9% that you can double your money if it's on one Satoshi, you can get up to 800% if it pops. You're not like, what? That's crazy, man. Like this, yes, a cruel, cruel wall. Once you start scamming, you just keep going with it. It's an impressive number that Ben cited 1% of all Bitcoin, something like that. It's an incredible amount of Bitcoin. We're going to see re-enter the market. As Josh was saying, if these people were so greedy, they were promised 600% returns and they didn't see anything wrong with that. It's kind of a caveat, emptor, buyer, beware type situation, I'd say. So yeah, the problem, like with all scams, this is the problem. It's the most vulnerable people, the ones who suffer. So the ones who actually do lose their money, they're the, the moms who just try and get ahead, or the, you know, they're investing what, what little money they have into something, just trying to get a little bit ahead of it. It's not that the clever guys you've got money. I mean, obviously they do also lose money, they fall for scams too, but generally these scams, they target the vulnerable people. And like Josh said, with the Bitconnect thing, like you can, there are videos of the plus token auditoriums, which are just absolutely bram full of people. Chinese, this is a big China scam. We didn't have any of it really going on over here. Let me see video. It's like, I'm like, the Wall Street Bros. got injured in this. It was probably more of a normal people trying to get ahead. And like Dan was saying with, not Hex, but one coin and Josh was saying, they used to have huge meetings. And Krista Rose and Jonseth actually went to one of them and filmed it. And it was like the greatest info, Marshall, you'd ever seen. I said something. He said, I know it in my knower that one coin is going to the moon. And they were also very sure that Rooja was going to double their coins in November, because she was going to take the database or the Excel spreadsheet or whatever it was. And she was going to change it to into a four, a four into an eight. She was going to double your coins. And it wouldn't necessarily double your value, because they're doubling it to everyone. So it does seem these scams do keep coming. They're more and more organized, more and more praying on the disadvantaged people without information, people who are desperate. And then now what we're seeing is kind of a country by country rollout. It reminds me of that classic book, something adventures of an economic hitman, something like that. And he would go country to country with for the world bank. And he would get these countries to take bad loans. And they had no choice. They had to take the loan now. We're going country to country and scamming people on a Bitcoin-like things. And how you educate people against these scams is interesting. So historically, we've always just kind of been regulated and protected from these sorts of scams. But now we're exposed to them. We have to learn, you know, and be able to differentiate between what's legitimate, what's not legitimate. I really like the kind of the Swiss, you have Switzerland, like you'll notice there's a lot of public information should warning you about swimming in that river, for example. There were a band-new from swimming in the river, which they might do in the UK. They'll say, you're not allowed to swim in that river, it's illegal, it's against the law, whatever you get fined. But in Switzerland, they'll just have lots and lots of just just information saying, you know, if you're going to swim in the river, do it this way, be very careful, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I think it's very similar with what we're seeing now, with people having access to all these financial tools, having access to before. And they can be easily forprite to scam is that it becomes responsibility of large society just to educate and just for people to learn. Rather than, you know, regulation is just, it doesn't go anybody with these people, it made the money before they, you know, regulation falls on the part. Yeah, they are in fast. And now, additionally, we're still looking for Dr. Rooja from one coin, still looking. So if you see someone that looks like Dr. Rooja, maybe a lyrthy authorities, because she's probably on a beach somewhere spending other people's money. She's been moving on to the exit question, forced prediction, the price of Bitcoin, this time next week, then from Wales, higher or lower. Down, down, down, down. I mean, like, as he said, they, they will be ditched like 25,000, and they still go under the 20,000 stitch. So, yeah, we're going down. But it's good, it's good news, like for those hodlers and for the people who've got a little bit, what's that thing, the question people, the time preference stuff, if anyone who's got a bit of that, and they're a bit patient, then they know that there's all this down, more pressure for all this huge amount of Bitcoin being sold off. And that's pushing the Bitcoin price down, which means that, you know, as soon as it stops, then we go with harvining as well. And you're definitely going to see news like this Ponzi scheme selling on your technical analysis charts. It's going to pop right up. It's going to say Ponzi scheme selling ahead. You better watch out. No, it's not. It's not related. You have to have both. You have to be more than one thing. Dan Eve. Yeah, I think he's going up. I'd like it to go up because I'm going to say, it's the day I go on holiday. So I want to be in a bloody good mood. Jessica, go on. Yeah. Time, no. Sometimes it's up. Sometimes it's down. I, you know, the hodlers, yeah, I guess, if you, if you've got some cash, if you're sitting in that filthy fiat, then it's probably good if it goes down. And if you're not, then hold on for dear life. Oh, it's a great time for a crash. Everybody's rolling in the money around Christmas time. It's not like we didn't just spend all our money. We'll have to see how it goes. I'd like to say it would go higher, but this Ponzi scheme is pretty tough to shake. If there really is that much supply on the cell side, it might go lower. Moving on to issue two Hong Kong funds frozen. The democracy protests in Hong Kong continued this week with the Hong Kong police freezing more than $9 million in funds raised for a group that supports the protesters. Previously, the police froze an HSBC bank account belonging to the nonprofit Spark Alliance. Freezing the account for the police was as simple as picking up a telephone. Dan Eve, is it time for demonstrators around the world to stop fooling around, wasting their time losing funds and start adopting Bitcoin? It makes perfect logical sense. I think after all the de-platformings we've seen, in 2019 was probably the year of de-platforming. I mean, obviously, you've got iconic instances that the classic WikiLeaks and Satoshi saying, don't announce it yet because it's too early on. But I think it's the perfect vessel for receiving donations that you aren't going to get confiscated. Now, obviously, you still run the risk of losing your private keys and blah, blah, blah, blah, but it seems to be the safe way to raise money and to be able to support yourself without having risk of any government or outside interference. But you can do that with normal, as well. I'm not promoting or anything, but I'm just really excited because there's the doji edition coming out soon. So that will give you financial self-sufferanty for yourself. I agree with Dan. There are technical issues with Bitcoin, but the ability to not be harassed by the government make up for the technical issues. I saw someone recently arguing on Twitter the opposite and it made me really sad because I had to unfollow him. And I really liked Hong Kong Hermit. It's a good dude. He's been doing good coverage of the protests, but he's an avid anti-bitt corner and I just couldn't take it. He was just making fun of the idea and then someone else said, oh, it's going to destroy the earth with all the mining. If you just times it by a thousand, we'll be spending a thousand times more on mining. And it was just, no, technology hasn't worked that way. The processor in my computer is thousands of times faster than my old processors. And it's probably smaller and uses less heat. That doesn't make any sense. You can't just times it by a thousand. Josh Gagalla, your thoughts on the protests and the How dare you Thomas. How dare you. So he unfollowed. Yeah. Yeah, nine million isn't exactly super rich, but it's a lot of money. But I just want, I'm saying that because to be super rich is actually extremely dangerous and it's only dangerous if you are against the people that you're sort of in the country that you're mainly staying. So if you're Russian and you're super rich, the Russians own you. If you're in China and you're super rich, the Chinese own you. Because even though these people can pepper some of their money around the world, generally the guy that owns Ali Pay, for instance, is absolutely in the palm of the Chinese government. Because they own you. And if you go against them, they just rob you. Now nine million is a heck of a lot of money. I'm not, you know, just saying, super rich, there's a heck of a lot of money. And just to trust that in one bank account is madness, is absolute madness, especially, especially if you are going up against a, a, a, for so powerful as the Chinese government. I mean, why wasn't there any fourth site in, in, in, this decision to have at least split it up into some different bank accounts. I mean, the same thing, I don't want to pick on tether, but two bank accounts for $2.8 billion dollars, all the government needs to do is, you know, sort of get the shit something, this isn't for me. And, and frozen bomb done. So yeah, it's, it's nuts that they trusted that much money in bank accounts. If you're going to keep that much in your bank account, you better have a really good pin number. And only put that much in your, only hold so much in fear that you're willing to lose that's, you know, that's sort of the old Bitcoin tag, but it's starting to ring true for fear. Then from Wales, can I get you a bank account? No, I mean, maybe that's what they were doing. Maybe it's that kidnap fund, you know, I actually, they've just got massive fat stacks of Bitcoin. Maybe we're all like judging them too fast. Maybe they may have got a lot of donations in Bitcoin. Of course, you know, it makes a lot of sense for them to have donations, receive donations in Bitcoin. And then hopefully if they did, then we shouldn't have heard about that being seized because, you know, it's quite hard to seize, as we all know. But then that would, does rely upon your donors to be able to have Bitcoin, and to be able to interact with Bitcoin, which is like another layer of friction currently. Obviously, it's, you know, it's, it's surmountable, but if you're just trying to get donations through the door and in your sort of day to day, then maybe it's not the sort of top priority. So this maybe is now, I suppose. But one of the big problems they've had in Hong Kong is the restrictions on internet. So the how to use Bitcoin in some scenarios and it's become quite a parent that using Bitcoin without the internet is a bit shit. So the real things we should be worked on now are the mesh networking. So a lot of the Hong Kong guys, and they use, what's it called, bridge, bridge five, which is an app for messaging and that uses Bluetooth to create mesh networks. I did a on-walker, the network, a mesh series and it makes you realise how incredibly powerful mesh networks can be and will be, and some really good work being done by the fry-funk guys in Germany and Berlin, where they connect routers together. Just by, you're just by reflashing the routers with some different software and then those routers can connect to other routers and they've got a fairly substantial network of routers. So that's a good way to be able to transmit information. And it's kind of like, when you think about the progressions you had in medicine or in I don't know, the combustion engine during the World War II, if you look at these democracies protests and then it's going to propel innovation in these things in things like mesh networking, which we really should be spending a lot of time looking at and working on. The only problem is there's currently a number of financial incentives to do it now. So there's not much sort of company money behind it, but when you have these protests like that, people need to communicate information and communicate value then they will start looking more seriously into mesh networking. And in saying that bridge fires is a company and that has provided an app, so for those people are able to download new. So maybe this is an error which more companies can pour capital into. But yeah, no, it's the meshing thing which needs to be fixed. I read today that Apple are looking into or have made highs around putting satellites up so that the eventual Apple network will be 100% standalone. So I'll imagine all data and stuff all in. So and then they pretty good with privacy, you know, they're Apple, so hopefully they will be able to keep that outside of the midst of the government. That's one like move against the phone companies. Apple just wants to be their own carrier, have their own satellite. But you don't make sure, sure, the more of these networks there are of people doing that, the more at least the authorities will have to play whack a mole whereas they can shift to another. We don't we don't have them like mesh networking stuff, honestly, it's so powerful. Like we don't need big companies, big internet service providers and that kind of infrastructure we can, you know, sustain the internet on a mesh network, but we need to build the thing. But it is very powerful and the stuff's really cheap like the microcontrollers, I used to like a pound each and they can send a lot of data between each other. So no, it's really exciting to see developments in that field. Yeah, during the Napster days, we built a mesh network in Sydney that reached all the way from North Sydney down to Bonda if anyone knows. Sydney and and that was basically Pringle packets with Wi-Fi antennas pointing at each other. Yeah, it was really rudimentary and it meant we could share MP3s, not that I did, theoretically. And it was, yeah, like Ben says, absolutely powerful. And I don't know why it hasn't taken off. And I think it's these precipices. It's like Elon Musk stepping up and saying, you know what, screw it, I'm building an electric car and forcing the hand of electric car or if car makers to turn electric. Now we have VW converting most of their, I mean, you know, they also had the scandal of the of the the fuel scandal stuff. But all of this equals change. It's these moments in time where all of a sudden you get huge change and I feel that this is coming. You never know what it looks like. But you know, if there is software out there where people can easily flash their their modems, it really is that that clip of, you know, the first follower clip of everyone, anyone seeing that, you know, it's a classic internet meme and and you really need that that moment where one person does it, then two people, then four of them and then it gets boring being on the crap internet that you actually flash your modem and take the time to learn because there's just better content on the other modem. There's no one left in the crap internet. Sounds like a dream. I do agree that the back end of Bitcoin is so good for the protesters. Having pseudo anonymity, maybe even more anonymity with the lightning network or through a mixer, having your funds be unfreezeable, having your funds be generally at the same at the same value. There's no fees. There's no kind of checking fees or anything like that. The price goes up and down, but the funds 0.1 or whatever would be there. But I agree with Ben, we're not quite there on the other side. The interfaces are tough to use. The handhelds are tough to use and then the internet itself is necessary. So until we have mesh networks until we have easier to use Bitcoin wallets and things like this, it's unlikely that the protesters are going to use it even though the back end is perfect for it. So there's this kind of has them in between us. And we thought, you know, oh, Cyprus 2013, if only they just had Bitcoin ATMs, they would have been able to get out of this. And then now with Hong Kong, they probably have Bitcoin ATMs. They have people who know about it. They have technology people, but it's just not there. It's just not widespread enough yet. Moving on to the exit question, there are currently democracy protests going on in Hong Kong, Barcelona and the United States. Dan Eve, which democracy protest movement will be successful? Which of those three? What could they all be? I don't know. Maybe I don't know. I think that Hong Kong is very risky at the moment. Barcelona have not really read up on which ones the United States wants about against Trump. Is that what it's referring to? Yeah. Well, you know, they've got really impeachment. So it seems like, you know, that then there's the second layer to it. So I don't know, man. I think I think hopefully they're all successful. I don't know. Josh, go go. None of them. Because you can't protest against these things. They just laugh at protest. At the end of the day, let's be serious. They laugh at protest. The only way you can actually have changes, technology, cool change and philosophical change and change in the next generation of the children. By protesting all you're really doing is, I don't mean to be this old man. It's like, yeah, nothing works anymore. Don't get out. It's great. Obviously, it's fantastic to be seen. Obviously, it's great to have numbers and to, and it's an educational process because without people's voices being out there. But I find that a lot of these protests, a lot of these protests have no real voice. I mean, if you look at the the Occupy Wall Street movement back then, really it was just a ramble of issues and no one knew what it's all about. Really, they knew that it was this sort of flavor, what the flavor was about. It was about Wall Street because the only reason was because it was in the name of the demonstration. But I feel the real change came when people started switching on Bitcoin. You muted. I had a good joke too. I said, I thought it was a housing movement. I thought people just wanted to move to Wall Street. They were going to occupy it. All right, Ben from Wales. Yeah, no, I kind of think what Josh is saying, I think, but I mean, I think it's important to take to the streets and protested. There's something with protesting force, very important people do that. And try to remind government that they're there to work for you. But obviously within Bitcoin, there's a lot of anarchist feeling behind Bitcoin and I'm also a believer in sort of direct action, which I think Occupy Wall Street was a little bit more direct action, as opposed to just just protesting, which is probably why we remember it more as a protest than other protestors you're happening at that time. So yeah, I think it's and you can do direct action just through what we do by trying to kind of opt out and support something like Bitcoin, which actually could change the system from a deeper level. So yeah, so it is almost like rather than just you have choices, you can either do nothing, which is bad or you can go out and shout and scream and make yourself heard. And your opinions heard, which is a bit better, or you can try and fix the systems, which are there somehow in any way you can and sort of try and have a more direct approach to it. And that's the anarchist direct action concept really. So yeah, I'm sure that's happening as well in Hong Kong. It's just so yeah, good luck to them. Well, I from one hope that the democracy movement in the United States will be successful, whether it's through impeachment and removal from office or simply another election, which is coming in November. I hope that the election is fair and free, although I have no reason to believe that given the current condition of the voting machines, the gerrymandering, the knocking people off the roles for polls, having voter ID laws, not allowing enough machines in low class areas, things like this. There's a lot of ways to fix an election. And I think we're going to see all of them going back to the other protests and protests in the street. I agree with Josh Occupy Wall Street was largely a failure. A lot of these movements don't seem to have any direction. What I always look for is organizing when they had that first pink hat protest on the Trump days. I was like, that's great. But will they be back next week? Will they be back the week after that? Are they take is somebody out there with a clipboard taking down names and emails, making a mailing list? And I don't think we saw that in Occupy Wall Street. We didn't see that with the pink hat protests, but we did see it in France every weekend. They come back, the yellow vests, same thing Hong Kong. They keep having events. They keep having protests. They keep walking to parks, these kind of things. Putting your people into the street as a show of force has always moved governments. Whether we like to admit it or not, whether it was by force or by coincidence, things move when you get the people in the streets. So I look forward to these movements continuing. I root for the people of Hong Kong, Barcelona, the US, and maybe even Scotland soon. We'll have to. Moving on to issue three. Actually first, did you know the World Crypto Network has its own audio podcast? You can listen to these episodes without having to look at me. How amazing. Check it out on Spotify, iTunes, and many other places where podcasts are listened to. The World Crypto Network audio podcast. Subscribe today. Issue three, the broken promises of Silicon Valley. Those hoping for a recap of the series finale of the classic HBO comedy Silicon Valley will leave disappointed. Instead, we'll be discussing the promises of technology versus what we actually received. We were promised freedom and flying cars. Instead, we got advertising, tracking, and a shared ride with a stranger. Josh from Valtoro, what are your thoughts on the promises and the reality of Silicon Valley? Well, it's not only Silicon Valley anymore. That's the good news. It's globally and the hacker movement. That's what I'm most excited about. And Ben here on the panel is one of the amazing people in this movement that are tinkering and playing with very dangerous technology, if you will. I think these are the promises that will hopefully flourish. But yeah, I mean, I don't know. We can pick on all the failures. But we all know how many startups fail and how many go up. And I love the fact that Silicon Valley has always been one of these places where people are willing to take a punt on an idea. And that's something that's still not that prevalent here in Europe. In Germany, it's very hard for people to raise money compared to the States. And this goes for also the film industry. I mean, the film industry in Australia, for example, is not very... It's all funded by the government. There's not much private money. So that means there's all these rules. You have to have one Asian, one Black guy, one white guy. But you have to say, the story's become very similar. Whereas in the States, you know, there's someone's some wealthy... Yeah, I'll find that film. That sounds great. And they'll chuck some money at it. There's a whole different mindset in the United States. And I feel that that's not dead. There'll be a lot more promises that will be broken, but there'll be a lot more cool ideas that will flourish too. Ben from Wales. You're a beauty at this time. Yeah, no, it just needs to be free and open source. So you have... When you open any market and you have a flood of capital, then a lot of people make a lot of money. And then they start throwing that money around, you know, willingly. And then some money lines in good places and money that doesn't land in good places. And then you get a lot of that, you know, exuberance, like you get in kind of Silicon Valley. And, you know, with things like the internet and with this sort of big software giants, like it wasn't just a case of opening up a new market like I don't know, the British healthcare system, for example. And then lots of capital's flooding into it. You're opening up a whole new plane of existence, a whole new world, like an extra layer of world on top of our world, the internet, which now has, you know, the substantial part of our planet's capital is invested within that realm. So obviously there was a huge lot of capital, a lot of people made a lot of money and then a lot of that money was used in good ways. And then sort of in bad ways, and it was wasted, when it just eventually trickled down and find its way into the hands of other people. But I think for the... And going back to the Hong Kong protest, it's a bit like the vansting when they had that competition for a vanst design, I think, sort of, they were paying homage to the Hong Kong protests and they weren't allowed into the... And those people were like amazed that Vans is cool company, that they weren't supporting the Hong Kong protest, which is, you know, China's where they get all their shoes manufactured. So why they're going to piss off the Chinese government? Like, why do you expect anything more from a private entity, which is there for profit? No matter how cool they are, no matter how, like, how they may act like they're ethical, like to be a good company is all about profits, all about making profit, in any way you can tax the voice, whatever you can. And if you don't want to do that cool, and if you want to be a bit more honest and forthright cool, but the way to avoid all of that is bypass all of that, it's just freeing open source, everything, which is happening, but it's going to take time to happen. And then you have, you know, it's... We just need to freeing open source stuff rather than having it privately owned, and then we'll have more success with, well, I will say, another mesh mesh network, for example, full-discool technology, which could really radically change humana's Bitcoin, which can actually radically change humana's speed, but with more competing. That sort of open copy left mentality, it has far more profound effect, you know, it can offer some of the promises which Silicon Valley, you know, co-opted. So yeah, so just free open source everything. And 3D printing for the hardware side too? Yeah, exactly, 3D printing. So if you look at 3D printing, for example, like, such an epic technology, and it's been available for quite a while, but it's just kind of not... The actual like the 3D printer I've got behind me, this is kind of emerged from like a hobbyist community, from people building or literally building the 3D printers, and eventually the end of the 3D printers which are half decent. And again, it's very powerful technology, and it will make, when we can just all print our own stuff for home, it will nurture a society of developers. So like, you know, my boy, he'll download the latest schematic for the new, and the advanced shoe, for example. And then in order to give himself some sort of social Q-dots, he's going to edit the file, and he's going to change it, and he's going to customize it. I'll end up with this top planet of engineers and developers and people building stuff. And then when we take control, I mean, we've got Congress in a couple of weeks in Lifezig, and when you go to Congress, you've got 20,000 hackers there, and it's beautiful, like what they do with technology. And it shows that when humans, rather than the technology control them, when they control the technology, like it's very organic, it feels human, it doesn't feel like strange and alien and like coercive, it feels good. So, yeah, I mean, so, so, so, yeah, no, free-to-pressure, and a lot of these cool technologies, they just they're reliant upon, upon those uses just to do ourselves and not wait for the big companies to do it for us. I do agree with Ben philosophically. We've been in a much better place if these startups were all free and open source, if they were sharing tools, if instead of having to rebuild, say a database for chewy.com, they could have just used the old pets.com code. If they just released that, Uber, Lyft could be competing for ride sharing code, they could be sharpening it, different effects being added to the database, more like a science project than a capitalist enterprise. But obviously, it's not a science project, it's capitalist enterprise, if people are all working on short schedules, trying to get their MVPs out, trying to compete with others. And if you're lucky, like, say, Facebook or Google or somebody like that, your project goes to space and you get a a thousand engineers to build in any direction you want. So, it is interesting with these startups, but they have mainly delivered us things that we wouldn't have expected at the beginning of this. When you were a kid, you were told not to get in a stranger's car. Instead, I get in a stranger's car all the time. You're not supposed to stay at a stranger's house with Airbnb. I stay in extra rooms of all kinds of strangers all over the world. So, it's very strange to see how that's kind of flipped that with a little bit of a reputation system. And we don't even really have a unified united big brother reputation system where you could say, oh, he's a bad Uber rider or he's a bad Airbnb guest. We're not going to give him alone. When those things start to connect together, like kind of happening in China with the social scoring system, we're going to see, I don't know, a different side of the startups. We'll have to see, I'm not sure it'll be good or bad. I'll have to see. Dan Eve. I thought his eye was really funny. And the initial picture, I don't know if Silicon Valley, if that's a picture from it. But after reading the whole article, that's just like the author's mood, like the floppy unicorn. Because he's really depressed that there's no flying cars and hoverboards and three seashells in every bathroom. And that sort of stuff. So, and I think what the biggest gromp is is that whilst we've had all this incredible technological innovation in terms of packing stuff into an extremely heavy iPhone 11 Pro Max that you shouldn't read above you like that. And we've had loads of events with that, the internet, telecommunications. But when you think about the real world, the visual world, the environment around us hasn't really changed a huge amount. You're sure we've got the first Khalifa and some incredible construction that's happened. But it's certainly not anything like most of the 70s or 80s sci-fi of what we would be like today. And I think maybe, and I was actually thinking about this earlier. And maybe it's because we don't have all the robots on here. If we have robots to do all this construction, there'd be a lot more stuff going on. So I think that's going to help out. As you were talking about 3D printing then, I was actually watching, it was that early today about the 3D printers. So one company in particular is called Icon. And they do 3D printing houses. So, and they're building a community in Mexico. And so this is essentially just massive 3D printer. I mean, the houses are massive, huge. But they're structurally sound. They're made of recycled concrete and stuff like that. So I think with the more ideas like, and they're not the only company as well. I've seen different variations as one way. It's on a circular motion. So the printer kind of does that. And there's ones where it's just one big one. There's ones where they've shifted into different bits. And then they put it together. So I think the more innovation like that we see in construction, the more the visual, the real world will start to change. I think when we start to see drones in the air as well, I think that will start to change people's perception of what's futuristic when Amazon rolled out their drones. Because it would be hard to argue that we're not in the future. If you know what I mean, once there's ones, a cars are rolled out, they're all autonomous. You got like crazy drones all over the shop delivering stuff and hyper loops. It's getting here, but it's slow. It's very difficult. I like the article. I think it's right on the cusp there, but this might be one of these ones where we look back and we're like, oh yeah, at that time, it hadn't happened yet. But a few years later, there were drones everywhere on self-driving cars on the internet, all the IoT things, all the connected devices, all this kind of your scale, talk to your phone, talk to your door, talk to your thermostat. I think we're getting closer. I think that the author's right, but he might not be right, you know, two years from now, right in the future. There's some good quotes there, though. I think one of them is referring to an analyst, so this isn't the author's quote at the article, but look up from your textbooks. They tell the economists, everything is getting better except our ability to measure how much better everything is actually getting. And that was really interesting because, you know, you often hear people saying that life is worth now than it was, you know, people are saying, it's been a great quality of life years ago. And like, wow, we're pretty gracious here, you know, mortality rates are much lower, you know, people are a little bit longer, you know, fair enough, there's a lot more people getting generally offended about stuff. And so there's a lot more mental stress, I think. But in terms of, you know, living our life, every day life, we've got it pretty, pretty nice, especially in sort of Western, Westernized countries. And, you know, so it's not to be taken for granted. And then the final one as well was that it said, but if we're not producing enough gold, it's important that we don't blame that we blame the geese, not the eggs. And this is wrong. Why would you do that? Geese can be vicious. Don't blame them, like blame the egg. At least it's not going to bloody fight back. And if it annoys you, you can just squash it or throw it in the bin or something. But yeah, the doubt stressing the goose out is going to help. So just in case you do have a gold goose that's not going to stop laying gold and eggs, just don't stress it, stroke it or something. Or should you start trying to try and lay your own eggs? The geese even have their own video game and they're angry geese now. They're very upset. It's a fun game. All right, we're going to move on to the exit question. There are spoilers ahead for Silicon Valley. I'm going to give you guys a half second here if you want to mute it, or maybe skip 30 seconds or something. But we're really going to talk about the larger plot. We're not going to talk about the characters or what happened, but it's been a week or something. You should have seen it by now. Exit question. In the series finale of Silicon Valley, spoilers ahead, they develop an artificial intelligence capable of using distributed resources to crack all encryption. In the end, they put Pandora back in her box and hope that nobody notices. Josh Gagala was their decision correct. Is it better to delay, destroy and cover up the problem or face it head on and wreck all of the world's encryption? What a great question. Wow. I feel that if I had destroyed everything at one go, I mean, the proper way to report a bug is to let people in the know on how to maybe fix it. No first, hopefully come up with a fix and then release it to the world. That would be the way to go. That's a good strategy. In this one, they even had a they managed to keep it quiet, but they even have built had Bill Gates sniffing around. He was like, something doesn't seem right. Seems like that technology should have worked because it worked. It just worked too good and it started cracking all the encryption because once again, with the AI when you're talking to Hal or whatever it is, when you say something's inconvenient or something's difficult, the computer just figures out a way around it. And in this case, that was breaking the encryption. Ben from Wales, your thought, should we break all the encryption? Now, you're muted. This new software, everyone has to pay me a quarter now. No, yeah, no responsible disclosure. I don't think you should break everything. But I mean, we don't need to worry about actually happening by the way people. That's our good friend Stephens, Nigar, he'll tell you all about if you check out some of his talks, who's Bitcoin, their professor of quantum physics used to be. It wasn't professor of quantum physics, until Bitcoin was more interesting to him. So he came to Bitcoin, which is another big bullish case for Bitcoin, and how people like that come into Bitcoin. And he says, you know, it's with decades before we need to worry about that being a real problem. People breaking sharp 256, but I think I feel like I'm just like not answering the question, so I'll just answer me on the pass it off. Then Eve, can we break all the encryption? Well, like is obviously that would break Bitcoin and we wouldn't want that, but I did read something quite funny, funny, but earlier, which was that the quantum supremacy shouldn't be called supremacy, because it's too close to white supremacy. So it should be called quantum advantage. It's 22 hours. Sorry, that's Irish Moira telling me the time. We're really, really slowly. I'm thrown off by Irish Moira, but I know I it was such a great moment in the episode where they they start to realize that they've connected all these computers together and they tasked it to the AI and the AI is now using all these computers to break the encryption. And you suddenly pictured all the bank walls going down, all the stock market wall is going down. Like Dan said, maybe even the Bitcoin network going down because now you can just have as many Bitcoin as you want all those kind of things. It seemed kind of fun. There was a great classic episode of the Dilbert cartoon series where Dilbert screws something up and we lose all of our technology and it goes back to medieval times and everyone's living in mud and having a good time again and being dirty and maybe our lives would be simpler without all this encryption like the movie sneakers, you know, too many secrets. So I don't know. I thought it was a great send-off for the show. A huge what if in my mind following their software so closely and then thinking about well, what if they just shrug their shoulders and let it run and broke all the encryption anyway? Well, really fun. So a good show, definitely check it out and I hope we didn't spoil it too much for you. Moving on to issue four. Coin floor goes Bitcoin only. Coin floor, the UK's oldest cryptocurrency exchange, announced this week that they would be removing Ethereum and Bitcoin cash, essentially going Bitcoin only. The firm cited engineering expenses and uncertainty due to Ethereum's multiple hard forks is the reason for its delisting. Similar concerns were cited for Bitcoin cash as well as the fact that the two coins' complements compromise a very tiny fraction of the exchanges volume. Ben from Wales, I ask you, is this the beginning of a new trend? Is the world going back to being Bitcoin only? No, not for a while I don't think and I'm not even sure Coin floor, we've actually gone Bitcoin only to be fair. I'd a little luck into this because I sort of interested it because I heard about them but I hadn't really ever looked into them. So they were incorporated in 2013, so they are pretty old and you can tell by the tagline on the website because it's like buying sell Bitcoin's 24-7, not Bitcoin, Bitcoin's 24-7 so it's from that time when we started on the end of Bitcoin. But in earlier this year, they shattered quite a lot of stuff because they were in some financial trouble but then actually a lot of stuff moved over to another project called Coinflex which is a sort of their whole congarm of the company and that's very much crypto. So although this part of the company, Coin floor has gone completely Bitcoin, I think what happened is those had these sort of 2017 times they've made some business decisions and then since then they've been trying to call back and it looks like they have, they had a lot of debt which they've kind of paid off. They also had a new CEO at the beginning of this year which they ditched in September for San, Mongolia and San, A-Ush. So maybe they've just said, look let's just focus on the thing which Rock Company has done and has done well historically and let's just do that. I don't know, I mean they've been kind of that arm has been forced to do that because of some business decisions so I don't think I'm talking bullshit. I think yeah everything's going to go just Bitcoin only eventually but we just have to wait long enough. As I said, it's like we're the free market money killer. We've got a free market money with lots of different monies flying around everywhere. Do we want one like you know, bear with Bitcoin and that does everything really really well and really safe and really securely. Ideally we want that so so hopefully one day we won't need anything else and there will be another shit going but that's going to take a while to happen. I don't think it's going to happen anytime soon. It's extremely just switching over. I don't know if it's your coin floor I have for now because they've got coin flux. Dan Eve. I know I'll be from coin floor and what he's I think he's the founder and and it sounds like they've definitely had a lot of moves this year. The coin flex thing was pretty big. I think they sold off was the futures. I think it was the futures arm, wasn't it? But I think it seems like a sound move for them from a technical perspective if they're not a big team, supporting huge ethereum changes and being certain about them and happy with them and it's a detraction from their main business and if they're not getting a lot of revenue from ethereum then it makes perfect sense to focus on Bitcoin and make sure that they're able to smash that market and do it efficiently. But yeah they're good exchange. So yeah all the best of them. It's definitely a good time to do it as well because it's yeah it's there's a lot of uncertainty. I think about about you know tokens deal and and and other coins and how they're going to be viewed by government. So I'm not sure how the FCA is creeping around other sort of other crypto or anything but sticking to Bitcoin seems like a kind of nice or an easier regulatory and kind of path. I think path of least resistance I think. I agree with Dan I also got to meet Obi and London and we hung out. He's a good guy and we actually kind of talked about similar things to this. It sounds like some of the other founders of the company were big fans of Ethereum or big fans of Bitcoin cash and that those people may no longer be with the company having gone off to their own ventures. So now the core of the company's gone back and if they're saying it's a very small percentage of their traffic. It's a very large percentage of their engineering resources. This seems like a good move for them from a company perspective. I'm not sure we can wave our flag and really say that it's Bitcoin only and that everything's shifting back and that kind of thing. But there have been little little blips of this like the treasurer thing where you can convert your treasurer to Bitcoin only or some of these other websites getting rid of their altcoins. It has happened but it also goes the other way as well. Josh Gagalla your thoughts on this. Yeah we've we're slowly going the other way unfortunately. The thing is if you go on to any exchange actually any any any physical exchange and go to change Fiat you're going to see a list of weird strange currencies from around the world. It will be kind of a weird exchange if it just had one. I mean an exchange an exchange because it allows you to exchange and and it's it's a tricky thing because I I myself and big on Bitcoin I love Bitcoin but I think that people should price these other shittcoins and maybe the price should the price should fall and people should be allowed to I mean it's not even allowed it's just it's free and open source people can mix and match and do I really don't think that in the future we'll just have one I think that's ideal I think it's ideal just to have one but I feel that there's if anything there will always be a casino of shittcoins out there because it has this doubling effect it is actually easier to go from one to touch to two than it is to go you know to move Bitcoin from 7000 to 14 it that that's a bigger move where it's so but but that's not a fundamental value that it's moving up it's just speculators and gamblers popping and fizzing down there in this festive of crap that's that's bubbling away so you know exchanges really need to be there to exchange value plus there's also these arbitrage opportunities that other ults allow you know you're trading Bitcoin for this and you quickly jump out into this and this other thing because you can get that for cheaper there and people don't care what they're buying they just know that it's selling over there than it is here so I can flip it and so I think it'll be a long road until we have some homogenous thing and I hope we'd never do get some homogenous thing because it'll it'll something will be wrong that's much bigger wrong if there's just one single thing no matter what people think of shittcoins I know that's an unpopular opinion amongst a lot of Bitcoiners but at the end of the day the market decides if it was up to me it would be nice to you know have just one big solid project but yeah moving on to the exit question which company would you like to go back to being Bitcoin only Ben from Wales I don't know I'll just say I'll say Coinbase because that's the only one I can think of Dan Eve I would like to see banking go to Bitcoin only and I know that's an invalid answer but I don't care because it's not back to but it's going to all right banking to Bitcoin only Josh Gugala what company would you like to see go back to being Bitcoin or Yeah I mean I agree banking would be fantastic how good would that be you know I know we can't uh you need to scan a QR code at the ATM and a company no choice oh uh yeah Coinbase would be pretty solid I mean that would be a big move it would be back to call back to the old days where it was like oh Coinbase nice Yes Coinbase would be a great one they used to be a huge advocate for Bitcoin but the the most recent thing is that they're going to give you $50 if you learn what orchid coin is and I don't know what orchid coin is and that seems to be they're making a lot of money or hopefully for them they're making a lot of money on the altcoin speculation market I still think Coinbase stuff suffers from the problem that they're always looking for the last business model they're trying to do what Binance did last year this year all that email paid to things big though Yeah email patent sending Bitcoin through email yeah that that was I think that I read about that today it seems like you know they're trying yeah and let's face it PayPal that's how kind of they kicked off you know the internet money we sort of was this was this we just have a point on sending Bitcoin through email you know more complicated than just a link I don't know No other because because paywall pay or al-enpay they turn into al-enpay boostrap bandit's project paywall paywall and it's now al-enpay.co I think or daio one of them you check it out it's amazing it's got loads of tools loads of faucets and things you can make kind of one of someone who uses his because he originally started on making paywalls and then one of the ways in which someone uses his services they send out their newsletter via email and then you pay you pay it has a link and then you click on the link and then you pay the link and then that takes you tends to the to the newsletter or something but it's almost like Bitcoin through email so I was just wondering whether that would impact that because there are ease already doing that you know yeah it's al-enpay.co yeah al-enpay.co flicking right man it's so flicking amazing it's just full of tools it's just like a playground is it al-enpay.co yeah yeah that's it yeah it's a playground for for lining stuff check out it's really cool yeah I love it maybe doing it but that doesn't matter to Coinbase they're patting it they're controlling it they want it so yeah maybe next year if all turns right they'll follow the coin floor and instead of buying that and maybe they will go back. Wow will be funny my choice for this category I'd like to see purse go back to being Bitcoin only I think they got some bad advice while the fees were really high they accepted Bitcoin cash presumably people weren't moving their Bitcoin around when the fees were really high they felt they needed another option maybe come back do the lightning network Bitcoin would welcome you back if the discount thing still works I haven't tried it in a long time again again on al-enpay because he's got paywalls there's someone selling gift cards on there which is basically what purse is it's the same $150 dollar Amazon gift card and pay me to 120 with lightning there we go it's uh if you if you don't move to the right network if you make the wrong step you go to be cash instead of lightning now random website might replace you I don't know it's a tough business out there especially if you can be replaced like a person's main thing was an escrow so if you can do an escrow you could do a similar website but uh moving on to predictions or a story of the week Ben from Wales are you ready with a prediction or a story of the week uh non-prediction but what is pretty cool like I launched them the al-enbist thing that was fun and it had loads of bugs since it was probably like not even been a more viable product really one I lost it but it was pretty cool like it it seems to have worked and people have been playing around with it um and experimenting with them I've already got someone who's making wants to make like a started on the sort of no JS version of al-enbist so al-enbist was just like uh like a wallet wrapper so you can have kind of accounts so when I'm making on my gizmo is one of my not doing one of the things I get annoyed by is that I want to plug into my into my know but I don't expose all my funds by just using one set of API keys um so this just you could have like your lnd know for example you can just create multiple wallets and they've all got R&A key I keys and you can just put a little limited amount of liquidity in it so you could have like my you know my my faucet ATM thing could just be speaking to one wallet just with both unique API keys and it could do some other funky stuff as well um so that was cool but what was also cool but it's also distracted me now so I can't really be asked for the al-enbist stuff for you know um is that pine 64 sent me talking about free and open source they sent me um uh the first fully free and open source watch this is a developer edition so it's missing a back so we'll start thinking about it but you can you can develop on this and program on this um and they're going to retail uh I think in March next year for $20 and I can tell you because there's been there's plenty of shitty android um smartwatches out there but this thing it feels like you know I can apple thing like it feels really nice um and I've had our on one charge this has been going for like five days already and it's still says I've got like I don't know a ludicrous amount of battery on there and it just it's responsive it's fantastic so $20 $20 $20 it'll retail for their tagline this is pine 64 so the guys who make rock 64 which that noddle is based on yeah um uh uh and the tagline is about time so it's about time because it's about time we need a free and open source smartwatch now my plan is to fully bitcoin this bad boy uh hopefully then when they actually release them we'll just have software we can just flash on to them with fully bitcoin them so while it's those like $10,000 bitcoin watches you know head in a stick bitcoin watches I want to see like you know block heights and I want us have a lightning wallet and there's a lot of funky stuff on this little bad boy so focusing on this it's fantastic thank you pine 64 nice very cool watch everyone should check that out when it comes out all right Dan Eve a story or a prediction or a story of the week a story of story of the week prediction I I oh what I'm so totally underpriced these I come this is one thing I forgot to do okay so I'll go for the basic um oh no I can't do but I was gonna go lower I was gonna be I'm gonna go for bitcoin I'm gonna say lower next week and then I thought when I was asked earlier I was like ah so um so I I will just I'll just leave it as oh no no okay so sorry I knew what I was gonna do let's just so with the nodal coming up that's the reason why we're at more the hoodie I've been aiming to get the nodal wrapping under 30 seconds and I think I've got it to nearly like I don't want to be able to like do it now I've probably under 25 24 25 but I've got it under pay so I didn't really now quick really quick now excuse me he's not all because of the unbeknownst ministerial bid to you in part bitcoin like if all nodes on on on support the network run a node off I'm gonna have a black box to read from runlits as I'm truly one I'm gonna hold a lit like a place that I've been even with the litlar or obviously your box and I might even model it I'll just know to the PC pace over bit compare this to seeing and the networking is over at grade box faderboard trust us if you serve it be a pillar for the network watch your video with we can put over I've got one or twenty one month before hitting the flux getting bolder and I know you start verifying blocks on just my stop attackers nodes all the way up fox on the hards and the odds are a bit of a lot of that black box bitcoin corner so allow lots of yet to get to you take me call to another cloud you'll also get financial self-employment you the banks you can forget before I go please hit the video on that we'll click to next that's definitely over so god damn very good three times fantastic wow yeah there is the fastest speaker in the world competition you know that I'll give it a shot all right thanks Dan Josh Gagala your prediction or story of the week go ahead uh yeah so I mean I don't normally do this but my sister Leah Ellie a love heart is her last name pseudonym she she's been helping people for years and years from intellectually disabled people to children living on rubbish tips in the Philippines to down syndrome kids to people that haven't spoken in years to get them to come out of the show and they start to speak using art using creativity painting drawing dancing and she's unfortunately been diagnosed with a brain tumor halfway through her pregnancy she's managed to hold on and give birth you can see her there on the screen to the little one but yeah she is suffering from a brain tumor and it's it's almost inoperable they can try to get most of it out but without fiddling in the junction box full of sight and sound and and talking and stuff so it's a tricky situation she has got a Bitcoin address up there and you can see how many people she's helped because there's not that many randos a lot of them are direct people that she's helped have put you know 25 bucks 50 bucks a hundred bucks and sum up to like four thousand but it's it's it's amazing to see all the support that she's getting and I just want to say thank you to all the wonderful people out there giving the gift so Leah can focus on recovering and not focus on financial problem because she isn't rich she isn't some sort of a whale she's literally always helped others and and I'm just so blown away by the help so if you do have a spare little thing and you want to do some good uh for Christmas instead of buying some cheap Chinese crap for someone you can give them a gift and say hey for you I helped this this person that's helped so many people over the years all right thank you Josh and uh we put the link in the chat and we've got it up on the screen here also the link is on twitter uh please support this go fund me at uh twitter or at the link below all right and uh now let's see what else what did I have to close with uh I don't have that much to say this week uh I got the new iPhone I'm trying out the iPhone upgrade plan so I got a new phone every year uh but I rent the phone so I don't really own the phone so you know it's up to dance uh seems nice so far like Dan was saying it's a little heavy uh but I don't really find it that heavy it's lighter than the old iPhone has a nice camera on it and uh really nice green so I look forward to trying that out some more and uh seeing what it's like and again I just I use it all the time it's it's pretty much my little mobile office so if you use it every day you should get a good one uh also I wanted to thank everyone for donating to the mad bitcoin's fundraiser we're trying to raise some end of the year money to help pay off some of the bills uh that I've accumulated this year while I've been traveling around doing interviews uh we're 14.5 percent towards our goal mainly thanks to the bitcoin price rising a little bit and a couple of large donations so if you got ten bucks 20 bucks or if you just want to buy the whole fundraiser for 15 thousand dollars and I'll stop talking about 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interviews and stuff maybe something that you haven't seen uh so I think that's about it for this episode of the bitcoin group uh so oh they want Star Wars spoilers I haven't seen it yet uh but I think it's going to be like return to the Jedi so don't watch return to the Jedi if you don't want any spoilers and I also think my prediction if I had to guess I would say they're going to reset absolutely everything that happened in the second film uh so it's going to have continuity with the first film and a bunch of people are going to pretend that the second film doesn't matter and that everything is fine uh although I think we have more hope now on the secondary Star Wars films things like Mandalorian uh I thought solo was pretty good I thought Rogue One was pretty good uh compared to this new trilogy but uh Jeremy got me all distracted talking on Star Wars it's time to end show a more spoilers but I hope you guys all see it and Mandalorian is very good yeah before it spoiled yeah Mandalorian is good it's like a big western I just I can't believe they're going to have an entire show uh with a guy in a helmet that never shows his face right they get to the end credits of whenever the Mandalorian ends of the guy looks at you and he still got the mask on whoa uh he's John Farrow as well as he did Iron Man so it's he sort of fitting he did and he did swingers John Farrow did quite a crazy story in Hollywood the little movie swingers all those strange Disney reimagined films he did three or four of those and then now Iron Man and Mandalorian wow amazing he's an idiot from swingers alphie get elf because don't know the Christopher season go watch out by what John Farrow is in all right what's your what's your favorite Christmas movie I like a home alone Christmas story die hard anybody else Josh what's your favorite Christmas name name one oh wow um yeah um the the Grinch I don't know Grinch is a good nice I watched the short animated version that was really nice really good language Dan you got a favorite one you want to mention okay I reckon I've discouraged was it screw your speech yeah yeah and for and for kind of classic old school I never see it on never see it on the TV but Santa Claus the movie the one with whether do the loop the loop yeah I think is he like I like dust in Hoffman is it was no no not just loving him it's oh what's his name the the Bumble English God oh remember there's a lot he's got loads of people in it the Santa Claus movie all right and Ben one more do you want to mention anything else oh yeah what's his name it's the guy from it's the guy from that really naughty radio series isn't it whether I was sick or they just really horrible racist naughty radio thing the two guys and then he was in Santa Claus the movie yeah bad Santa oh that's also good that's also pretty good watch that every year now ugly more ugly more ugly more ugly more that is I would have had it right away what's that what's that what's that radio show with Dudley Moore and Peter Peter Cook Peter Cook the Peter Cook they did like a radio thing didn't they like an audio they're like speakeasy tapes which people used to pass around oh yeah they basically got really drunk in a in a set oh brilliant yeah Derek and Clive yeah oh my god I just plankton plankton eaten but I don't think he's too filthy actually I read a great article just this morning about the hallmark channel and what a monopoly they have on Christmas they just started cranking out Christmas movies and they played nothing but Christmas movies and they're all kind of generic and terrible but but people like them are they produce them yeah yeah they produce them they just have it then they've been cranking them out for years now and imagine if you did 10 20 Christmas movies a year it's been five years you now have a hundred Christmas movies at your disposal and what a schedule they are just killing it apparently on this the Christmas movie monopoly thing and they're all like you know the in keepers daughter and the shopkeepers son and you know a little romancey things but this is cool article and interesting so but that's about it we talked about a bunch of random stuff there enjoy Jeremy's into claymation Christmas the classics who moved off the red nose reindeer and frosty and all that so enjoy your Christmas it's going to be about five days so we probably won't be back before then we might do a little Bitcoin group on the 27th that sounds pretty good we might be back for that otherwise we'll be back in the new year hopefully ready to hit it really hard get everything done in 2020 WC who are 2020 all the other things just for you guys for motivation there's anything you want to start in 2020 it sounds like me like you want to start a business you want to start a streak or a podcast or you want to turn over a new leaf you could be like I've been doing this good thing since 2020 I've been yeah business I've been reading these books I've been whatever the good thing you're going to do I'm psyched up 2020 it's arbitrary it's totally arbitrary but if you ever wanted to start a glasses shop it's a great time for 2020 I've been waiting I've been waiting to start my eye glasses shop vision 2020 vision 20 see it right now 2020 yeah now all right we're getting silly so we'll talk to you guys again soon until next time bye bye