Okay, it's not going to be a good idea. I have an idea. This is working. Oh, well, Oh, Bitcoin group. I'll record it, too. That'll work. That's good. Hold on. Now for real. No idea if it's working. case but it's hard to tell when it really starts. So here we go. Oh, Bitcoin group. The American original for over the last 10 seconds. The sharpest Satoshi's the best Bitcoin, the hardest cryptocurrency talk. We'd like to welcome our panelists and Eve, the crypto Raptor. Even if it's morning and good morning, good night. John got from phoneHotel.com. Now, Josh Gigala from Voltoro. Greetings, ladies and gentlemen. And I'm Thomas Hunt from the World Crypto Network moving on to issue one, issue one institutional money. New York based asset manager, grayscale announced a raise of $607 million in 2019 with total investments reaching $1.17 billion. $193 million more than a third of the increase was invested in grayscale Bitcoin trust. The company's publicly tradable Bitcoin option. Tellingly, 24% of the funds were from new clients. Institutional money has arrived in Bitcoin. And now crypto Raptor, I ask you, is this a good thing for Bitcoin? Well, I suppose that, you know, it's all about the network effects. So the more people in Bitcoin, the better. I think that, you know, some people are afraid of the institutions kind of coming along and wrecking things, but I think in some respects, there's some positives. All new money is good money and 24% of years is a good figure of new funds, a total of funds from new clients. So I think it's great that people are dipping their toes into the water and people that probably wouldn't want to buy Bitcoin direct and hold it. They will, you know, like to own a piece of it by owning it via someone else. So we can't stop them from, you know, running, not running their full, a full node, but, you know, at least they're dipping their toes into the water. One gold is institutional money good for Bitcoin. Well, I've been pointing out to people for a few years now that if you want to succeed, if you want Bitcoin to go to the moon, you have to get the money. And the money is in the system, the money is in society. And so to get the money, we're going to have to integrate it in some way with society. There's going to be tensions and some, you know, we're going to be pushing around a little bit here and there. And, you know, we're going to win some battles and lose some battles. And this is just the next, the next level of victory, which, which comes with it, sort of, risks, right? So it's going to be great for the price. I mean, $600 million is nothing for what the institutional money actually is. But the downside is, yeah, there's going to be a lot of money on centralized exchanges like back that are going to be able to have a much bigger say in, you know, potential consensus crisis that might happen in the future. If it happens in the future, I don't know, right? Like imagine, imagine if this was the scenario we were having the Bitcoin Bitcoin cash fork, and with back playing the game, how would things be different, right? Would they be different at all? Maybe they wouldn't. Maybe they would. We may never find out. Maybe we will, if we have to do another hard fork in a few years. But I think overall, this was inevitable and has been won by a lot of people. And I think we'll probably be okay. And the price is going to go to the moon probably. Josh Kagala, your thoughts on institutional money in Bitcoin. I'm a bit sus of back to think back to this. You know, they've got some weird clauses in there. Like, you know, yeah, it's real Bitcoin. It's real Bitcoin, but it's warehouse bias. And you're not allowed to actually ever get hold of the real Bitcoin. You can just sell it. There just seems to be a lot of like, what? I just don't understand why these clauses are in there. It seems to me there's when when institutions come in, especially from Wall Street, but anyway, really, I'm picking on Wall Street. It's silly, but, but really, there's always some jiggly pokery in the background. There's always some sneaky way. I mean, how are they making money back? I'm guessing I'm hoping that it's not through reserve and then lending this stuff out or, or whatever. Is it not sure? Is it so they can crazy short sell this stuff in also a way? I feel like it's always need to be skeptical with institutions. Hopefully also need to be on the ball, investing in these things. At the end of the day, they want security too. So these instruments will come out. I just don't like when people are basically buying the price of Bitcoin rather than buying Bitcoin. You'd buy the price of Bitcoin, you know, actually taking any demand. And this is what we see with the futures markets that are just cash settled. You're just buying a price. You know, I bought this price and I'm going to sell it this price, but there's nothing really there. And you know, there's all these promises from back, but I'm feeling sketchy about it. I've got to say feeling sketchy. You don't want to know how they make their money. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. Juan, more on this. Yes. Yes, obviously, our gold has been doing very good reporting on this. He's been sending them emails, reading the documents and some of the things that I've heard from his Twitter. You can go look it up on. I'll go to Twitter. Apparently it's 37% backed by actual Bitcoin in order to get into the system in order to be able to launch this sort of Bitcoin exchange is about Bitcoin commodity exchange. They had to outsource the control of the Bitcoin to another or like the Bitcoin settlement or delivery to another organization. And that was sort of being clarified. Right. So yeah, it's so much fractional reserve. If it's 30% 37% backed from what I heard, then it's not really 100% backed. It's not as backed as backed would like you to think it is. I hope that they, I hope that the people put pressure on them and I hope that all these things get unambiguously cleared up. But I mean, fractional reserve exchanges, it's going to happen. There's no way like this is a legal thing. It's going to come and we're going to have to find a way to deal with it. Hopefully with a name like, I have, but who knows with a name like backed. How could you not trust them? Surely they must be backed a ridiculous nonsense. But what this is for is this is bad for your chance to get one whole Bitcoin institutional money. He's been waiting on the sidelines for years. They've been dipping their toe in. They've been doing trial projects. But when you see this amount of money, more than $500 million moving into grayscale, what you're going to see is a continuation next quarter, the quarter after they're going to keep selling this vehicle and the institutional money presumably is going to make it impossible for a normal person to own one whole Bitcoin. So you still have a chance right now, $8,000, $9,000, not completely the end of the world. But once you get up to $100,500,000, no normal person I know has that kind of money. Let's move on to the exit question, a washing institutional money with a haveening on the horizon. Crypto Raptor, yes or no, is this the beginning of the Bitcoin bull run? Oh yeah. One got. Yeah, I think so. I think so. I've been posting about in social media. We just made a little down reverse head and shoulders pattern. We're pushing that 9,000. We're about to go over 9,000. It's looking like higher highs, higher lows. We're bouncing off of this old trend line that's touched every bottom of the bear of every bear market in Bitcoin. We're just basically bouncing off of that one right now. So, you know, Tom Bay says that there's still a chance of touching the 200 week moving average, which is at around $7,000. I think that's becoming less likely by the second there might be one last pullback, but I think it's pretty much done. I think the bottom's in. Did you say he's bearish that makes me bullish. Josh, I know he's always bearish. Josh, good. Yeah, I mean, I feel we've had two years of solid sort of one year of solid bear, another year of solid sideways consolidation. And now people are starting to forget about the bear a little bit. You know, we run the classic market to to to hedge in where you hedge in physical gold between Bitcoin and physical gold. And and they're these traders are quite interesting because they people that are interested in gold are very, very astute when it comes to markets. They're not they're not the greedy moon Lambo types. They're more the hmm. This is a you know, they're just a little bit more sort of got the head on straight and and I do see them starting to sell some of their gold that they bought in 2017. And head back in, but on the other side we're seeing huge peaks on say other coins like dash and people are jumping out of dash now into gold because they're seeing like nothing can go 45% in one day. And that'd be normal. Yeah, in terms of the wider market, it's a really interesting time. I definitely think we're on the slow and steady up. I hope it's not a big bull run hockey stick because I just hate those. I hope that we're just slow and steady moving up. That would be great. But it's always crazy. It's never what you want. It's also in same time in the traditional markets as well with the Dow Jones breaking new records. Well, there's lots of uncertainty in the market with China, Iran, impeachment, etc. So there's a lot. It's not. There's a really good point, Thomas, because what we have at the moment is is all time highs in the stock exchange. We've got all time lows in the bond markets. We've got crazy Trump and Iran going at it. We've got Brexit around the corner. Now we have Northern Ireland is also getting sketchy with Brexit. We've got. We've got economies in South America. And I guess Juan can talk a little bit more about those economies are starting to really starting to fail a lot harder. So first of all, when you have record highs in the stock exchange, where is that money going to go? Is that going to go into something that's also got record highs? No, it's going to go to something that's had record highs, but is now it sort of lows and getting up. So I see a lot of money coming out of a suit, even property markets out of Australia who have had, you know, is in a slight bear market now, but just slowly is going to be starting to move into some crypto. And I feel like this is a weird weird situation where you've got record highs in the stock exchange and record lows in the bond markets. It's just a weird situation. It's another one where in the high inside everyone will say, oh, of course, didn't you see it coming? Everyone knew it was coming just like the 2008, et cetera, et cetera. Not everyone sees it coming. Even if you think you've got a good play like I was, I was mainly in cash for a little while market wise. The market went crazy up. Who knows, but that could be short term. Juan Gold, more on this issue. I just had a thought that the one of the things that might save us from a from commodity sort of future exchanges soaking up the demand for Bitcoin and trading the price rather than the asset like Joshua sort of was hinting at might be that if the if the liquidity in Bitcoin is is low enough and let's say a lot of people are short on the commodity markets or they're long in the commodity markets. So if you can move up the price enough, you can you can move the you can wreck their positions on the futures exchanges. So that's that's the saving grace like you're going to if you're big, big player, you're going to want to have a hand on the actual market. So that so that the liquidity doesn't become a liability. Moving on to issue two, we'd also like to thank our viewers at home on Facebook, Twitter and YouTube today. Give us a thumbs up and a share or a like or a star or whatever system you may be on today. Thank you for joining us live. Thanks to restream.io. Moving on issue two, bad money. This Wednesday at a hearing of the House Financial Affairs Committee, representative Brad Sherman from California expanded his attacks on the fledgling cryptocurrency, saying that if Bitcoin works for Hamas, Bitcoin will work for the Nazis too. Other members of the committee agreed, but Warren Sherman, not to infringe on the privacy of legitimate crypto users. It seems only obvious that pseudo anonymous money like Bitcoin so similar to cash in its nature could be used by anyone for anything. Will Congress realize this or will they continue down a path towards more bands and restrictions? One, galt. Well, I mean, great. I get I get the first shot at this crazy ball. You know, it's really amazing to me how anti fascist are so excited to limit everybody's ability to engage in the in economy. You know, like, okay, yeah, Nazis are going to raise money. And if you if it is not PayPal is going to be or banks is going to be Bitcoin. If it's not Bitcoin, people are going to send them cash over the mail. What are you going to get them? Keep them from receiving cash over the mail. Keep them from receiving checks. Get them like at what point, you know, and during the Nazi years, if you didn't play with a political party, you didn't have access to society, right? Is this this this this this this society this this this this comeback wants to wants to create. I mean, this is this is top grade propaganda. And I think and it's very politicized right? I mean, anybody has been paid attention to this American sort of politics. I know that there's there's there's a lot of misinformation happening. I'm not trying to defend that in Nazis, right? But there's, you know, there's. This is this is what it is. You know, this is what money is money is used by people to do whatever they want to support whatever they want. And you're not going to solve it by trying to limit people's ability to get money. You're going to solve it by talking about culture and educating people like, yes, I mean, there's not that many Nazis in the United States. This is total nonsense. There's more communists and more more Chinese the polish Chinese communist apologies in the United States. There are Nazis. So I think I mean, I think this this kind of propaganda is inevitable. I've been expecting it to come for a long time. It looks like it's finally here and it's coming with force. This guy is behind most of it. Like he's he's been a top Bitcoin hater for a long time. He's going to fail. And, and if he succeeds, then that's kind of like the end of America, you know, pretty much because what freedom are there left there if you can't, you know, if you can use it excuse like this to go after people. I don't know what you guys think. This has been coming for a long time. We've talked about it several times. We thought of course it would be terrorists and so forth, but to have it actually be Nazis is just a great gift to the absurdity of this. Yes, it's money. Yes, it could be used by good groups and bad groups. This is money. But I do I do disagree with one a little bit. I think that representative Sherman is correct. I think that Bitcoin is a threat to the US dollar. It is a threat to its strength in the world. The ability to control foreign policy and other countries with the US dollar. The power that it provides as he said in his speeches. I just think it's inevitable and unstoppable. And he should go towards more reacting with it rather than reacting against it. Sherman reminds me of the angry congressman in the X-Men movies. The mutants are real. The mutants are a threat. But chaining down the mutants, making them slaves, eliminating them. This isn't going to work. It isn't going to provide the positive outcome that you want. He needs to begin with the end in mind. Josh Gagala, your thoughts on Congress and the Nazis. The best way to stop fascists is to be a little bit fascistic. And really that's kind of what we're seeing here. I mean, what happens to good old fashioned police work guys? What's with the we're what's the obsession with controlling the money, the currency? Get your police force and catch scumbags and and be done with it. Money is something that makes society whole. Something that makes society work. My first venture was a swap side where people just swap. There was no money involved because I've always had this passion about alternative alternative economies. And it was a terrible system because if I really love that tire of yours, Thomas, that you look through all my stuff and you don't like anything I have. Then the deal falls through and that's a terrible thing. So how about having some sort of token in the middle and and then I remember thinking, well, but then I'll be in another central bank now that's terrible. Then Bitcoin came along. And wow, we've got a token in the middle that is nothing to do with the state, nothing to do with the government, nothing to do with the company or a structure or a centralized structure. Wow, we can now I realize that you can get you can sell it to me for this independent independent currency and and the market becomes fluid and it works. Society starts working. Society starts getting richer. Society starts solving problems that they can solve when they have money like the environmental issues like overpopulation. All these things happen when you become a richer middle class and by someone like Sherman going in there like a absolute fool to then go and say, oh, we've just got a ban this what are you going to ban math you idiot you're going to ban ban playing cards you're going to ban couches because I could swap my couch for another person's couch. Don't be a fool Sherman. Imagine if it was a Nazi couch. I'm not sure if he's a fool, but he reminds me of all the villains in all the 80s movies. He's just so over the top one got more on this before we go to Dan. Yeah, it's just amazing. He pretends to be so on the side of justice, but financial ostracism and putting pressure on banks and financial institutions to ostracize a political group. Whatever they may be is the opposite of justice. There's supposed to be due process. There's supposed to be an accusation. There's supposed to be there's processes in the legal system in the justice system to accuse people of wrongdoing, but no, there's no crime here. It's just accusations of political. Yeah, there's five Nazi United States or something like that, but now we're going to hit Bitcoin with this and you know what's going to come next. They're going to go for censorship political censorship. They're going to try to regulate more companies. Go for the wallets full surveillance. They want to know everything. We want to have everything. So what has come back. He's definitely he looks like a total bad guy from like from like one of those Superman movies. You know, just Jesus Christ needs to just I just need to cut the full hair off too. Just go for bald man. Clearly the Nazis are also using the internet. Dan Eve crypto or after your thoughts on Bitcoin and extremists. Well, I think, um, I'm saying my can you? Yeah, I think it's interesting that you say about the dollar is kind of losing power. I think the Donald Tusk pointed that out and that America wants to retain that power. Now, obviously people like you want to clamp down even more. I think it's is it France that they've got a limit coming into that you can't maybe Italy, but you can't spend more than like a thousand euros in cash without going for a KYC and AML or something. It's something crazy like that. I think it's a thousand thousand euros. Now, I think that something that could make the things term for the worst of Bitcoin is if if I mean saying Nazis is ridiculous and extreme, whatever. But something more realistic maybe is if someone was found to have been funding Iran or you know something like that, you know, where where US has got a sanction. Then I think you know, Sherman will just lose his completely and yeah, then we were really going for Bitcoin. Absolutely. And that was pre Sherman's previous complaint that Bitcoin stopped their ability to leverage Iran, which I agree it takes a tool out of the toolbox. You have less tools. You're just going to have to do something else instead. Moving on to the exit question, what is more likely the United States banning Bitcoin, the United States creating their own version of Bitcoin or both one galt. You know, I think if Trump was really the capitalist and the and the visionary that he portrays himself to be and I think if Americans really embody and the spirit of capitalism, they'll realize that they got to start competing on mining. They got to accept Bitcoin and they got to win a Bitcoin they got to become big players in the mining industry so that they can have a keep this machine stable right and not try to ban it if the ban it is going to become China sort of toy basically because most of the proof of work is going to be happening there. And that there's danger to that. You know, it's so I think I think if Bitcoin grows to be a politically neutral money, which you know, there's some theories that this benefits United States giving that they're so over leveraged in their dollar and everybody's trying to take their the power of the dollar as the sort of settlement currency. If you know, if they don't if they don't play this game, they could lose this game and I don't think I don't think. Well, I don't think banning it is the winning move, but who knows I don't think they're going to ban it either I don't think that's probably not constitutional stuff like that. Josh Gagala. What was the question sorry will the United States ban Bitcoin creator. Oh right yeah. No, no, I don't I don't see it. They will basically regulate they will try to regulate it out of existence and and look the you know there is some cases here that we can look back on in Bitcoin in the early days, the UK try to put VAT on Bitcoin transactions on Bitcoin and and they saw a quite a huge brain drain happen. And this was very visible so they were whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa. London is an institutional capital of the world financial institutional capital world just like New York and and so we might have just screwed up the future of finance and what do they do they took VAT back off. This was very very interesting for me because I thought whoa these guys obviously don't want to wreck it for themselves. So you know New York made a very very big mistake in the early days with with passing the New York license bit license and we really don't see that much happening. Yeah, you got big conferences there in New York, but that's kind of about it. There's there's of course that sort of this is monopoly of sorts of exchanges. I think there's like couple of exchanges that have managed to pass through no crawl under the the the the crazy obstacle course that you need to get a license some sort of you know I get past the Crocodiles first. And then you have to go through the back cave where there's scorpions and finally you can pay through the nose and get a bit license. And I think there's only a couple of companies that are actually managed to do that. And it causes monopoly. I don't think they'll do it. I think they'll do it exactly that they did with New York try to regulate the heck out of it. So that you have these big institutions to deal with it. They can control their citizenship through that and that's about it. They will definitely try to say that it's totally illegal and look everyone out there you've got to remember that a lot of laws. If it doesn't really matter if there's free software out there that you can use you know taxes for instance they were always enforced through the threat of you lying. So all they have to do is say you are not allowed to use a crypto wallet that doesn't do KYC. Now all you go to prison and that even that threat will will make people you know the mainstream just use coin base in the centralized system. So I don't know I think that's how they will ban it. I don't think they'll go out for a full outright ban. It's a silly thing to do anyway and we'll see what happens. I think it's about that it's about over regulation. And you know, Juan Gold, you know your name says it all. This is typical of also the book where regulation destroys industries from comp and competition other ones basically regulating to keep. They can keep them in no place or do you upload. Excellent point Josh on brain drain the countries really need to think of that. I know of a lot of people that used to live in England that don't live in England anymore. That could be a problem. And I agree with what Juan said the company the countries actually haven't interest in keeping Bitcoin stable. Mining to make sure the rules are evenly enforced actually helps the countries. I forget which country it was, but there was a country today on Twitter. I saw it had launched a like a national mining pool where they were going to mine for the good of their country. And it's a little late for that United States, but it's not too late. Just for the record if you go back on the videos at the time that the US government was selling and squandering the silk road bitcoins. I said they could have held them and built more Smithsonian's it's on the record Dan Eve the crypto raptor will be and Bitcoin make their own version or both. I think that it makes more sense that they try and make their own version because it's being recognized around the world by central banks, the the UCB of talks about a few times. And as in creating their own cryptocurrency obviously you got Venezuela and I think that with the risk of trust and risk of being outdone by China if they get one out first and a first to market. That's probably really quite worrying for them, but ultimately you know that the last kind of major there was the arms race of the cold war. So I actually think that as time goes by they'll end up being a cold storage war between countries. You know it will be whoever can get their hands on the most Bitcoin and you know because they they who control the money control. So it will become like the latest arms race if we don't go to well, we'll wait before we're. It is very funny we used to speculate about all this stuff and now it's really true. It really does matter which country has the most bitcoins which country can mind the most bitcoins and you have to imagine it's only going to matter more and more in the future. Moving on to the next issue check out the world crypto network dot com we've got a brand new web page about the world crypto tour 2020 so far we're going to go to uncomfuscatable conference right here in Las Vegas Nevada. Hopefully if we can get some donations and some support we're going to go to the Mallorca blockchain event in Mallorca Spain. And finally coinfest UK in Manchester UK check that out at world crypto network dot com it's also a great time to thumbs up the show subscribe down below put on the notifications bell all that kind of things you get notified when we put out new videos. Moving on to issue three big money cipher punk how finny is legendary in Bitcoin circles the first known Bitcoin recipient early Bitcoin minor. And algorithmic contributor and a prime candidate to be Satoshi Nakamoto has one more feather in his cap he was the first ever price predictor of Bitcoin according to finny's predictions if Bitcoin were to replace the current monetary system one Bitcoin could fetch the princely sum of ten million dollars. Finny's prognosticating is now being backed up by fellow cipher punk Adam back who believes similar price predictions are possible simply because of run away inflation of the US dollar Josh go go I ask you how high can Bitcoin go and what would it take to get it there. I think it's more about how low can the dollar go and you know everything's relative to everything so it's about protecting wealth and you know people should be looking at what's happening we've got like we're saying before high highest highs in the stock exchange and the American search change also some some of the Europeans you've got negative interest rates your Brexit you have uncertainty even if you don't think anything's going to happen. The fear is every day on the news and people are like what am I going to do with my wealth what am I going to do with my savings what am I going to do it you know it's because money represents work done you work your whole life of this savings or what are you going to do you're going to keep it in something that's going down and down and down. No you're going to get put it into something that will is away from this money printing and this is traditionally gold and silver and property and forestry and now you've also got the option of gold of Bitcoin digital gold so the number is basically it's priceless basically it's priceless you know a lot of people talk about paintings being priceless what is that. What does that mean what does it mean when a bang off painting is priceless you can't put a sum on that what you can do is put a sum on your savings of what it's worth and where you're going to put it to protect that money. One called. Yeah I mean there's there's a few people that have made a really good research on this there's this guy called plan B on Twitter that's basically legendary now very popular for his 10 million dollar predictions I've crunched the math and I mean if you know gold is somewhere near 10 trillion dollars or market cap today Bitcoin is like you know under I think it's like a few hundred billion dollar market cap right now if Bitcoin became the size of gold you will have a Bitcoin price. Of about half a million dollars a pop and that's just taking over the gold sort of market share which is just a way I'm just using that as an example right if you look at the real estate bubble I mean there's everybody's buying real estate because we and you know confidence in government money is an old time low you know the bond market is really weak because people don't have confidence in government institutions right now and the money is in the stock market because people don't want to hold government bonds and there are only a few people who are not in the market because they're not going to be able to do it. But don't want to hold government bonds and they don't want to hold cash they want to hold equity in companies and such right so you know Bitcoin could could could soak up some of that money as well and then now we're talking multi million dollar Bitcoin sums so I think it's perfectly reasonable I think the time for him is a very interesting question I think there's you know questions of scalability still that you know there's there's these and answers to them but there's no settled solution yet I think they will come and I think we're looking at 20 30 40 years before we get to that point but maybe not fuck all these sooner so for girls then he well okay so I just set the dogs off so I think one one one thing I was thinking is I wonder if that one of that 10 million Bitcoin was inflation adjusted as well because when when how many would have made that sort of comment you know even since then I don't know if you'd have imagined how many dollars have been printed even recently so that you know that could even be higher but I think one made a very good point about taking you know value from not just the fear market but from from stocks from from precious metals real estate land you know there's there's many general kind of oil things like that there's many kind of pieces of the pie that people who were heavily invested in those things might want to invest in Bitcoin and then you know there's 10 million then it's 10 million and beyond and you know you think back about like two years ago sort of you know January 20 I went three years ago but January 2017 you know Bitcoin had taken a long time to sort of recover back up to what like 500 bucks about 600 bucks about now and you know we thought we'd hit a thousand again and and maybe you know a bit higher or something like that but no way to you know 2020 K and and so every number that you can come up with this just seems you know it like it's feasible if you could you can justify it almost so yeah I don't know I think I think it's definitely a cool prediction that I'd like to come true I think that leads well into the exit question what is the price of Bitcoin at the end of this year at the stroke of midnight on December 31st 2020 Josh Kagala well I mean if I look at the this the keyword searches for Bitcoin price you're looking at monthly search rate of 21,000 just in the US and gold price is 450,000 just in the US but that's a doubling more than a double search queries for gold price so let's say I think I think we're we're going to go up because we're going to go up a little while we got more searches to go one gold I mean to throw a number out there I'll say 50,000 Dan Eve I'm going to go with the more conservative number and say 2020 is going to give us a 20k Bitcoin and then she's going to move in I'm going to go with I'm ready I'll go with the very reasonable 100,000 dollars but I'm not going to wager my dick on it really on to issue four shady money alleged Satoshi Nakamoto and alleged con man Craig Wright got a delivery this week no it wasn't yet another Amazon package a letter allegedly Mr. Wright received a delivery from a bonded courier the package allegedly contains the private keys needed to access a Trevor trevorte Bitcoin worth billions of dollars the word so far is that the package contained the public addresses of the Bitcoin the question still remains does Craig Wright have the keys long go okay there the answers are ready to be answered like the questions are ready to be answered this guy has not Satoshi Nakamoto he doesn't have the keys if he had any of the keys he could have signed a proof of being Satoshi Nakamoto long time ago even if the keys didn't have the Bitcoin in them you know if he if the if old Bitcoin had moved through them he could have probably proven his identity and also you know we already know what the public keys are you don't need a bonded courier for that the public keys are publicly visible it's the first thousand blocks that Satoshi mind you know this is in brain science it would have to be the private keys and I just didn't go reason to believe anything that this guy says you do have to give it to him he's an excellent marketer he's an excellent persuader he really is good at getting attention and I hear people suspect this is going to be the access cam of Bitcoin of BSV because of the parabolic I mean if I was and I probably like what what cars do they have left you know they're losing all the court cases you know the only upside of Craig Wright is that if if America goes full surveillance fascists against Bitcoin because of the Nazis that we can blame him for creating it and have him take all the blame that's the only upside I don't know I think I don't I don't believe it he says gosh good gola your thoughts on Craig Wright just sign the keys man I mean the thing is that the the the thing is that this even if he has this money it could be because 2011 was you know I mean I was around like there's plenty of people around in 2011 it started to sort of you know get more popular there that doesn't say Satoshi so the question is is he Satoshi is still just sign the key sign the sign the block what what are you waiting for why why if he if he does have a nine billion dollars worth of Bitcoin then you know well start the start selling it spread it around get it get it out of your pockets go for it I'll I'll be buying some I've definitely appreciated all of his announcements for all the charities he's going to do the detailed plans that he's released how he's going to be the world's greatest philanthropist uh he's going to cure AIDS he's going to fix Africa he's going to do all these things I mean he's just such a great guy that's why I really hope that he is Satoshi because of the way that he acts in public calling people names yelling at them saying that he's richer than them and he doesn't have to waste their time uh he could buy and sell their whole country all the way he's acted in public really makes me believe that he's Satoshi Nakamoto he said sarcastically okay so anyway it doesn't get sarcasm Dan Eve crypto raptor does he have the keys does he have the money can we get alone he has nothing let's just move on that's my bit done one drop some mic and one one thing I've got to say for the whole thing I mean what first of all if you're if you're that clever if you're you know really a clever guy then why would you trust somebody where you predict it's going to be worth billions of dollars to some random bonded courier to to to fill the key the last key that you need to actually get them some random what geez I hope that that courier company rocks up and hasn't lost that private key like why what just put it in the garden or something like that's even better why would you trust some weird it's just it's just the weirdest strangest excuse I'm not going to make judgments uh I just think it's just just the whole story you know this is about what I love about crypto is that really leaving a side-for-punk novel where you've got these crazy over-the-top people you have the the Dow you know the getting hacked and then people got you know to a month to get that money back and fork and you just constantly these wonderful uh story arcs and uh it's just it's just great to he pop onto it it's crazy though that you know he's got had ample opportunity to to prove it I mean and all it instead it's just like a rude goldberg of like of I don't know of of forgery and stuff it seems but in the words of a judge so like it's all just crazy how he's been given so much airtime people still believe in him and the fact that him both him and Kevin air they literally look like bond super villains like how the hell are you crazy it's all crazy oh follow up on what Josh said if you gave your keys to a bonded career certainly you wouldn't tell anyone that you gave your keys to the bonded career because now everyone who works for a career company is going to be checking their list seeing if they can steal the keys more importantly if his claim was actually real if there was let's say nine billion dollars in a bonded career company somewhere why wouldn't you just buy all of the bonded career companies on the chance that you get the right one so that you could steal the nine billion dollars I mean it's just right I mean to to well they're holding one key so even if you got that key you can't do anything with it and the other half of the key my A team would get it would be not a pretty scene they'd have to call up Mel Gibson because they'd probably be torture moving on to the exit question who is Satoshi Nakamoto Wan Galt well you know you know who are the usual suspects I mean I mean I don't know I don't really want to know I don't really think we need to know I think we're best off not knowing but you know let's hope it's how Fini and he's frozen and it's too late so I'm okay with that Josh Gagala who is Satoshi what's Donald Donald Trump of course of course now I think it's Thomas Hunt I think it's yeah everyone everyone on this panel we just we need the bonded career for that last for that last one just waiting for one more digit I thought you're gonna say Donald Duck for a minute there Dan crypto Raptor who is Satoshi Nakamoto if if we ever had to find out I'd like to say I'd like to think it was someone like how Fini I definitely would puke as soon as I heard it if it was great right which is obviously not so I'd like it to have been how how Fini but I'd prefer if we kind of never know I like that air of mystery you know so I think it's just really kind of poetic yeah well if you really want to know we have to tell you the main suspects for Satoshi Nakamoto Nick Scabbo genius Adam back genius how Fini genius either how knows while there's a whole thing with how and Nick how they could be it together there's a lot of other people I like the three-legged theory that there was an older economics professor there was a younger programmer and then there was a guy in the middle kind of a generalist tying them together something like that and then they all have to break into the CIA to steal back the key so that the CIA doesn't control all of Bitcoin it's going to be a great movie it's coming out it's gonna be awesome I'm working on that but I heard a funny story let me yeah yeah let me tell you the story I wasn't in an archipuco last year and this guy after I gave I gave my speech on Bitcoin and a bunch of things and because I came up to me and you know we had a few beers and then at some point he revealed to me he this is a story so he says he used to work for the NSA and he used to have you know be friends with the one a kind of a tire-ops in the NSA and this it was a lady was a woman and then so she started like telling him hey look we're working on this project and then she started sharing with him what at the time were things that we would have recognized today as Bitcoin and so it would be like different different pieces of Bitcoin and we're trying to solve this problem so so and and so forth and he told she told him that the NSA was trying to create Bitcoin because they understood that finite business you know 2007 2006 1000 says something like that they understood that American cash was overextended globally in American there was overextended globally and at the end of the the the the dollar as the financial settlement was coming to an end and instead of giving it to China with rising power they wanted to create something that will reset the game so that no one would have that power and so that was the justification for creating Bitcoin according to him and according to the NSA lady and and so that going on but at some point she was like well listen I could tell you more but if to tell you more you have to start signing NDAs and basically we're gonna compartmentalize you and you can't talk about it anymore so he decided not to know anymore and then a few years later Bitcoin happened I don't know is it plausible yes you know that's a story I mean it's if that was the case really they wouldn't have sold the Silk Road coins they would have I mean I guess maybe they have enough they got plenty more they wouldn't have known because it was also top secret you see because the branches not know what the other people are doing so like it's quite reasonable that someone would have baked it up somewhere and only a few people even know yeah and the thing is people are too corrupt people are too corrupt some people would have had access to the coins just like the Silk Road case the the the the people actually investigating the whole thing there was multiple agents that went rogue because there's just they got dollar signs in their eyes they knew that they could get away was stealing millions of dollars worth of Bitcoin now if you're in charge of this secret thing and realizing you could get away with stealing billions dead men tell no tales what we need to move on to predictions or a story of the week because we're running out of time a wall on called do you have a prediction or a story of the week go ahead no stories of the week but I think I think the Bitcoin on confiscatable conference is going to be excellent I'm going to be there and I'm going to be reporting and doing interviews go ahead go don't confiscate it will come have a look at the lineup there's some really heavy hitters pretty much anyone that's anybody in the Bitcoin industry is going to be there so if there's anybody that you'd like me to ask some questions to an interview let me know let me know on Twitter one go I want his go on twitter and I'll cue your questions in I'm very excited and yeah I'll see you there if you if you make it Josh Gagala prediction or story of the week well the story of the week is we've been working really hard to hit the chill markers I don't really have anything else but on both sides we've been you know creating a whole new front end in terms of the blog and all this stuff so I'm excited to finally get that out and and you know it's that we do a lot of educational stuff on there as well are about the markets and such so that'll be finally be back up as people have been asking hey where's the blog and so that'll be back up so I'm I'm very excited but I'm also excited to watch uncompiscated you can't even confiscate that word out of my mouth that's how good it is but Thomas are you going to be there yeah we're going to be there we're going to live stream we're going to have the crypto couch and everything live from uncomfuscatable it's a February 20th so just a few more weeks there very exciting very exciting so I'm looking forward to that definitely all right let's go to Dan the crypto Raptor with the prediction or a story of the week go ahead oh I've actually got this is it say it's a Leban oh wait I'm reading it backwards a noddle so I thought I'd do a quick unboxing with a guitar pick I tried to find a pen but it's going to be very quick it's not one of those like talk through a long time unboxing it's a child game to a cool present unboxing and oh there it is so this is what I'm going to be playing with oh yeah come on I'm butzer where what are we seeing that sex is inquiring minds want to know oh hey go look at that that's pretty oh that's a sexy box right on samurai's or ninja what is that oh it's a little samurai and there's a red light I think can be you know when you switch it on so all right cool the nodal samurai a dish node in a box and it does btc pay server and apparently if you open it and disconnect it it'll destroy itself for something so very cool check it out dance got some setting up to do now right instruction oh yeah oh yeah so I also predict that I'll be setting this up over the next couple of hours all right very good thanks so much Dan and as Josh was saying and Juan said about the conferences I just want to do really quick I said on twitter today if we don't support real bitcoin conferences we won't have any and then I kind of publicly asked if block stream cracking coin base and Binance have sponsored coinfest UK uncomforts capable and malorka blockchain days yet and that I wonder what they're waiting for it really buying tickets to these conferences attending these conferences and of course if you're a large sponsor helping fund these conferences makes these conferences possible makes them happen if you're always saying why isn't there a good conference where they just talk about bitcoin or maybe just a little bit of altcoins and that kind of thing we have to support them if we want to have those conferences and that on Tuesday January 21st just a couple of days we'll be talking about conferences here on the world crypto network we'll be announcing the world crypto tour 2020 and we'll be joined by representatives from uncomforts capable mayorka blockchain days and coinfest UK so join us here on Tuesday at 1 o'clock PM Pacific time if anyone wants to donate we've had a couple more donors from 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bloomer these past three years you fought cancer and you fought it valiantly i will dearly miss your friendship wise words and humor thank you for the many lessons on bitcoin and life it hurts to say goodbye remembering tamas bloom thanks so much for joining us out of time until next time bye bye stop all the buttons