The Bitcoin Group, the American Original. For over the last ten years, the sharpest satoshi's, the best Bitcoin's, the hardest cryptocurrency talk. We'd like to welcome our panelists, Jesse from Dr. Orangepill. Europe, Namaste. Oscar, Gisa, Bitcoin Observer. Buon assera. Christian Rootsville from Razpy Blitz. Wooden Duck. Nine Thomas Hunt from the World Crypto Network. Moving on to issue one, but first, the price of Bitcoin is up 0.53% in the last 24 hours. With a last of 110,607, a high of 112, a low of 109, and the $1 equals 904. Satoshi's. issue one, Bitcoin price tops $110,000, like we just told you, as JP Morgan to allow top cryptocurrencies as collateral. Yes, JP Morgan Chase, who's CEO, Jamie Diamond, has been critical of Bitcoin since the very beginning, is now allowing you to use your Bitcoin or Ethereum as collateral for downpayment on a house. Jesse, Dr. Orangepill, what do you think about Jamie Diamond's big turnaround? And we're all welcome, JP Morgan Chase, I guess, as the latest friend of Bitcoin. We welcome anybody who ready to bow down to the king. We welcome them with open arms. You know, I guess it's something we've been kind of expecting in a way, not just from JP Morgan, but from all of banks. I think it eventually is going to be a pretty normal thing, not just downpayments, but people being able to take out personal loans, I think it'll be the next step. So Bitcoin is collateral. That's a good thing for people who like the hotel and don't like to settle or so. It does sound awesome, as the article says, JP Morgan believes it can manage the risk of Bitcoin and Ethereum's volatility well enough to lend against them. Oscar, what do you think about JP Morgan? The latest friend of Bitcoin after years of criticism. Look, in the very end, they're quite late to the party. If you look like what Bitcoin collateral solutions have, have emerged so far. And of course, I think it's a great chance for JP Morgan to separate the owners of Bitcoin from the Bitcoin. So let's see what kind of collateral solution, if it is a multi-circuit, a native Bitcoin multi-circuit solution they offer or it's a custody. Obviously, it will be a custody, the same scam like Coinbase is doing. But okay, if the people know about the risk, why not giving Jamie Diamond your precious Bitcoin for getting some fiat money for it? You've been in Bitcoin all this time. You've just been waiting to lend it back to the banks at terrible percentages. It sounds like a good plan. Christian Rootslow, what do you think about the latest friend of Bitcoin, Jamie Diamond and JP Morgan Chase? Every time a bank joins the game, it's interesting to see. So it's for me one of those popcorn moments and it's hard to say if it's good or bad for Bitcoin. It always depends on your perspective. That gives more legitimacy. So that's nice. Always like this, being more respected in a financial game. So I can get rid of my hoodie and get a better, better suit. But on the other side, yes, like Oscar already was telling, it will be probably a custody game. It will probably not in any kind of way respect to the kind of Bitcoin way, how you use Bitcoin, it will just see it like an asset you put there and give it to the bank to play with and basically to control AML and all of it. But at least to have some sunshine on that for some older people or plebs kind of holding some Bitcoin and getting older and needing a house or something to live in basically and to own. I think at least it is a nice option on the market to consider instead of just selling your Bitcoin. Maybe you're lucky and you can keep it afterwards. So but don't bet on it. Maybe you're lucky indeed. And I thought you're going to quote, it's a wonderful life there at the beginning Christian. Every time a bank joins Bitcoin and angel gets its wings. We can only hope. You know, I just see those really, I love those memes where they, it shows the price of a house in Bitcoin and in dollars. And so, you know, for that reason, it might be an interesting thing just to ping on how it works. I mean, if you can put down, you know, whatever one Bitcoin or five Bitcoin or whatever it's going to be as a down payment or whatever as collateral. And then in seven or eight years, you only have to leave one of them behind. You know, it could actually be a useful thing as far as like, be separating people from the Bitcoin. As far as like, whatever the interest rate is going to be, it looked on the article like they are taken, I did shares rather than Bitcoin. So I don't know what that means. But you know, who knows, it's all the beginning and we're just speculating. We'll see how it works and if anybody ever wants to use it or not. Well, I bit shares are a lot like Bitcoin, definitely very similar. But you can see how they do that and you can see how it would work out for people because anything else you can't really put down as a collateral. If you had, say, a fancy car, you can't put that down. It's probably going to depreciate or lose value. Only with Bitcoin and apparently Ethereum, they think they're actually going to appreciate where the bank would make money if you ran out on the loan and they'd get to keep this down payment of your precious coins. But we are running out of time. We have the exit question predicting against the Bitcoin predictor ball, the source of all truth and knowledge in this universe. Jess, see, will the price of Bitcoin be higher or lower this time next week? I seem to recall a lot of pessimism, pessimism last week, pessimism, blah, blah. No, we're fine. Everything's back. What do you think, Jess? Not for me. The forever optimist always up, always in one direction for Bitcoin. Oscar, do you think the price will be higher or lower this time next week? Of course, it will be higher since Treadel's launch of the new hardware wallet that will hear our quantum threat. Oh, higher because of a hardware wallet. Christian roots, so what do you think? Higher or lower? Yeah, I think there is a lot of headroom now after we've seen a bit the downturn in the last weeks. So I can say, yes, it will be up and the market will take any good news to justify it. There you go. Ignore everything else. Ignore the disastrous trade relationship with Canada that, according to latest news reports, the United States has pulled out of trade talks with Canada because of a video that was not from the Canadian government, a video that was fake that claimed that Ronald Reagan would be against tariffs, which I think he was. But yes, it was not actually from the Canadian government. So someone put out like a YouTube and wrecked our trade relationship with our number one partner. Anyway, will the price of Bitcoin be higher or lower this time next week? Ignore all domestic and foreign current affairs and trade affairs. Will it be higher or lower? Will it be higher? Outlook not so good. Outlook not so good. The ball is pessimistic. Moving on to issue two in many ways bigger than issue one issue two. Trump, Partins convicted finance founder CZ, Pearl Wall Street Journal. According to coffee zilla, crime is legal. Coffee zilla on Twitter, coffee break underscore YT reports the back story to CZ's pardon. November 23, Binance and CZ plead guilty for billion dollar fine. March 2025, Trump launches WLFI stablecoin USD one. March 2025, a two billion dollar investment into Binance by MGX, followed by a two billion dollar investment was paid for in USD one. Later CZ admits he applied for a pardon, then he gets a pardon. USD one is now backed by treasuries yielding 60 to 80 million dollars a year for WLFI. So long as Binance doesn't redeem the two billion dollars in USD one. And we all know what happened to SPF. Many people are upset about this calling it disgusting. CZ violated sanctions allowing groups like Hamas and Wagner to use Binance, then partnered with World Liberty Financial as we said previously and seemingly paid for the pardon. Here's President Trump talking about CZ from Binance and the pardon that he gave him. The founder of Binance, can you explain why you chose to pardon him and did have anything to do with his involvement in more families? The founder of Binance, he is a involvement in Eurovision. The recent one, yes, I believe we're talking about this in a very good way because I do pardon a lot of people. I don't know he was recommended by a lot of people. A lot of people say that are you talking about the crypto person? A lot of people say that he wasn't guilty of anything. He served four months in jail and they say that he was not guilty of anything. That what he did, well you don't know much about crypto. You know nothing about nothing, you fake news. But let me just tell you that he was somebody that as I was told, I don't know. I don't believe I've ever met him. But I've been told a lot of support. He had a lot of support and they said that what he did is not even a crime. It wasn't a crime that he was persecuted by the Biden administration. And so I gave him a part in that the request of a lot of very good people. It's pretty amazing when you don't even remember someone who gave you two billion dollars. Can't even recall. Let's go to Oscar. What do you think about the pardon for CZ? Apparently the president doesn't really even know who he is. And again, it seems clear, Binance and CZ allegedly violated sanctions, which would be a crime would be a thing that they were convicted of. This is not just like someone accused of a crime. This is someone convicted of a crime which now been pardoned. Go ahead, Oscar. Look, look in the very end, my perspective on that as a, also as a media economist, we read so many headlines about what is possibly going on there. The only thing I know is like he was imprisoned by the former Biden administration for political or fiscal reasons. And Trump was lucky to get him and materialized this opportunity as a business case. So here we are. I don't know exactly what businesses have been closed behind the back doors, but it's obviously that the case that he had to forferd some tasks and he did it was, yeah, was great passion and now he's free again. Long story short, yeah, it's a business case. It's a business. I think most definitely we can say that CZ is better at business than SPF, who many people on Twitter were saying would be so upset now seeing CZ pardoned for essentially the same thing. SPF is accused of doing and is in prison for, but it is again, what an impressive business man this CZ has been. People we've been watching by now this whole time. It seemed like a fly by night allegedly corrupt type exchange. They were in one country. They wanted to tax them. They moved to Malta. Malta wanted to tax them. They moved somewhere else. They claim that they existed no place and nowhere. This nebulous exchange. And then now best friends with the White House goes to all the dinners and gets the same part and treatment we saw for Justin Sun of Tron. It really does seem pay for play. SPF needs to get his people out there paying. Go ahead, Oscar. Tom, Tom, like a great speaking, it's show me the man. I will show you the crime. Show me the exchange. I will show you the crime. Yeah. We don't have any exchange if we are honestly. Since they are all operating in the great sector, they are all operating with frustrating and absolute regulation. Of course, if there is an intention, of course, we will every time find a crime. It's the same with crack and with their self's offices, etc. etc. So it's hard to like, yeah. But if you do business with a government, especially with a US government and you move there physically, your own body into that jurisdiction, yeah. That's how such a story can go. CZ did take an awful risk, much like the dread pirate Roberts to be here on our shores. But again, Oscar, to go back, I think the one who's really upset today is Brian Armstrong of Coinbase. This guy's a boy scout. He does everything right. He follows all the rules and it turns out he could have been the biggest pirate in the world. If Brian Armstrong, who's an incredible businessman obviously, was half the pirate that CZ allegedly seems to be, Brian could have conquered the world. He could have had it all. Routsel, Christian Routsel, what do you think about CZ being pardoned? Of course, the comparison with Brian Armstrong and Coinbase. Coinbase case, I'm not so much into, but I have to say as much as I can see the whole Binance game, it was always this crypto game. Be decentralized enough to not to slip through the regulations, but centralized as much power as you can on a CEO or one person. So basically, I see it as this whole crypto game that's going on. So I have not much kind of personal kind of relation to the person. I see it as a really, as you say, you buy the politics. If you buy it, the politics can basically pick the winners and losers. It's wreaking the game. I don't know. It's like America is for sale and this is another episode in it. Yeah, I don't know. It's like, it's what I find more frustrating if you want to see it like, oh, free somebody who did something nice in the crypto game. I mean, look at the samurai people. Look at Sonato Cash. Those are more the people that at least tried to build some protocols and some services to decentralize it, even if they could have better and all the stuff. But those are still facing danger from the persecution, from the truck, basically, under Trump's watch. So as long as he's not at least looking into the Tonato Cash or at least the samurai case, I don't take this as a, as a, oh, he look, he's on our side or something. No, he plays the crypto games. He plays the world liberty, fine and stuff. This is all crypto games and I'm not interested in those. And yeah, America, I have your fun with your, with your, with your crypto there. So it does seem like the real winners in Bitcoin and crypto recently have been big businessmen who already have piles of money, who enter and then maybe short or long or whatever and exit with huge piles of money, certainly not poor developers who have no money at all and or little money and then exit with less. Jess, see what do you think about CZ getting a pardon from Trump, all the drama, even asked about it by the media, the media now focusing once again on crypto. And again, that just the greatest of lights. First we have, Joseph, we have son from Tron with the duct tape banana on the wall. Now we have CZ just the ultimate James Bond villain. And not the least surprise is anybody surprised. I mean, but you know, Tom said he didn't know who this guy was. So I mean, there's one guy you can trust the president of the United States. So clearly and also, you know, the, as he said, the questioner clearly knows nothing about crypto. How could they even ask such a question? It's, you know, whatever. This is the way it is, man, the guy that George Santos got, I mean, for the, the Jiz Lane, you know, and then he said, I don't know who that is either. You know nothing about a child grooming, you know, how dare you ask that question. You know, it is quite something for a guy who accuses his opponent of using an auto pen and not knowing what he's doing to have press conference after press conference. He says, what are we signing today? And they say, oh, sir, it's something to ban fireworks. He's like, oh, that's very nice. Oh, it's something to ban red letters. Oh, very good. He doesn't seem to know what's going on. I don't know why people are reporting on this. He doesn't, you know, look, he, he, he wanted this guy out. They have a business deal. This is pay for play. It's very obvious ways. Don't I mean, I'm from New York. I live here. I knew John Trump as a business person from way back. And he had a reputation for exactly this kind of thing. It's been his entire career. It's nothing new. But his fans love him. They're never going to, he's, you know, unimpeachable. So what are you going to do? His reputation is unimpeachable. It is pretty awesome. The levels that this has gone to, the size of the bribes, the size of the crimes, and then the people walking free, first Ross Obrek, not really money, then Justin Sun from Tron, now CZ from Binance, SPF, still rots in prison. His parents, Stanford, cries are unheard. And I agree with Christian, it's not so much a new thing here. It's not, these are old systems focused on CEOs, focused on power, focused on startup culture. It's not like Binance, although it was a multinational instrument and organization. It wasn't exactly a DAO where people did on-chain voting and had, you know, proposals from the audience. It seems much more like it was, you know, an allegedly organization, you know, dot, dot, dot, out there making the most money that they can. And all respect to that. Christian, what do you think? Should it have been a DAO? Should we have seen, or is this obvious that crypto would fall to this kind of greed? Yeah, I mean, that's a casino games where we're playing. And the funny thing is, I mean, now with Trump, at least Trump, it's the one guy who can run a casino into the ground. So I'm very kind of confident that to a certain degree, we'll just see it big downfall at one moment. So yeah, I cannot, again, I have my popcorn ready and then see where it is leading. Let's move on to the exit question, which might even cause more drama than the first question. According to Adam Cochran on Twitter, allegedly, they say that Gareth Gin, the same person who bet against the market before President Trump's announcement on the Chinese tariff in the perfect announcement of time, winning $192 million in just a few hours, only had one bet on polymarket. He was been buying shares of yes for Will Trump, pardon CZ in 2025. We've also seen that the Trump family's $314 million Bitcoin mining deal is another insider deal from Bitmain helping out their new company, American Bitcoin. So what do you guys think about the trouble with buying the polymarket shares and then as well as the Bitcoin miners? Let's go to Oscar first. What do you think about just the continued involvement of Trump in crypto? We are now forever entwined, it's seen. Look here in Italy or in Sicily, the Roman history is quite present. And in the very end of the Roman Empire, political functions had only one purpose like to enrich themselves to reach their clans, to enrich their families. And this is what we see here. And it's not new, it's not new, it's just of course. Of course, I think it's accelerating, it's more obvious. And but like, yeah, that's the way it seems to be now. It certainly is what it seems like. And it is definitely more obvious than it used to be. It wasn't so much in your face before. And also the horrible idea that you could start following this guy and see what he's betting on and then bet on that. All right. Christian Rutzel, what do you think about the potential for insider trading on the world Trump pardon CZ issue, which of course follows the previous potential insider trading on the Trump tariff announcement issue? Yeah, the whole kind of off betting on having inside our knowledge, closer you get to the center of power, you can profit and you can make very good just betting on an online market. It's another way of the casino. What I find more interesting was the mining story that basically there's always like all limited power of China and stuff. And here basically he's buying the, or at least we lay under his watch, the US is kind of getting technology from China to mine with US energy and pay the bitcoins back to China. I don't know. I'm kind of shocked that this can happen on the Trump's watch. So where is where are the American mining hardware like companies like where is the made in America here in this deal? And this is really just sad to see. So at least he should stand by his by his slogans to some degree. So but yes, it does seem clear. As Oscar said, they're just trying to enrich themselves as much as they can. No matter with who, no matter with what, just a few years ago, if I told you that a Republican wanted to take a 10% share in Intel in exchange for helping them out, you would cry communist and socialist. But that's actually what they're doing now. The Republicans are taking 10% shares of American companies. Oscar did you have more on that? Go ahead. Oh, look like if you, it's Nancy Pelosi 2.0. In the very end, yeah. So and there's no like as long as these people don't go to court, there's an insurung incentive that this behavior will just flourish in large incubate. Yeah. And that is what we see in also in different dimensions of politics. So it's tough to work ourselves like on that cancer and describing it and so on while it's breathing. So yeah, it's tough. But I also agree very much with Christian that's a new perspective like really being in any industry telling preaching American products first, like American factoring and then buying that stuff. And just to run it with American energy, that's ridiculous. Indeed it is. Yeah. Well, that's perfect to name the company American Bitcoin. Of course, we're using Chinese miners, but we call it American Bitcoin. That's it's exactly how you do it. Jess, see what do you think about the potential insider trading on polymarket as well as the new American Bitcoin in name only? I'm not surprised. Not surprising. Oh, there's like, there's basically a more or less Euro chance. I would say this guy's ever going to get investigated or even looked at with any kind of, especially in America. So I mean, the way things are now, it looks like what it is. It probably is what is this a guy who's talking about president who launched his chic way like three months before an election. And he made a ton of money off that too. So, you know, that's what it is. That's what it's going to be. And, you know, I don't know. I just as an American, I, to the point where it's sort of like what he's saying, where it's towards like the end of the Roman Empire, you know, you kind of, you really feel it, especially with all the stuff going on with, you know, with people who study Bitcoin with the dollar and all that other kind of stuff. Man, it's just like, it's, we're here. We're watching it happen in real time. And I don't want to, you know, I'm getting older. I don't want to be one of those dudes. It's like walking around with the sign, you know, that this is in the world or anything like that. But I don't know, you know, I don't know what's going to happen to America in the next 25, 30 years. You know, I don't know how long Trump's going to be president. I don't know if he'll run for a third term. But I don't, I have no idea what's going to happen next. And anything can happen next. And nothing really surprises me anymore. So, yeah, I believe there's, I definitely think there's insider trading up. I think it's a big secret. And yeah, probably Nancy Pelosi. Yeah, they were doing all of them. We're doing it for a long time before that anyway. It does seem like there used to be more of a fiction to a bit. More of a cover story. It wasn't so out there and straightforward. Of course, with Nancy Pelosi, strangely enough, insider trading is legal for Congress people. They're trying to change that. What's become legal that are at least seemingly legal is, like you guys said, these personal coins that Trump has his own coin. Melania has her own coin. These anyone from any country or any company can come and buy your personal coin. Then they can tell you about it. Then you can feel good about it and have the money so long as they don't sell. So, it's kind of this legalized bribery structure. I think with any news, we are very, very well advised to look on the positive perspective on that. And somehow, this is the decentralization of insider trading. Would you agree on that? We have, we have, we revolutionized it. We've clearly made it better. We've clearly made it like it's faster. They're making more money than ever. They're getting higher numbers. I mean, $192 million, that guy opens his account that morning. He puts in that, I don't know, $1 billion. He shorts the market. He takes out the $1.2 billion or whatever. It's hours. We're talking hours. I mean, they should put that in the ads. They should be like, at our company, hyper liquid X, you can walk in with a billion and walk out with $1.2 and under three hours. All you need is an email and a password. So, yeah, we have definitely. We've revolutionized that. We've revolutionized money laundering and drug running and all these kind of things. Getting by sanctions. This is all Bitcoin, which I think is going to blend well into our next topic. We're going to move there now. But first, check out worldcryptonetwork.com. We've got 4,628 videos. You could watch it for three months, 23 days, and one hour straight without any breaks. But it would probably be messy. Moving on to issue three, Bitcoin ATM fraud is back. How CNN tied multiple fraud reports to one single crypto ATM machine. Ooh, the orange one is bad. I knew it was a scam. Valley woman loses $8,000 just before Arizona tightens crypto ATM rules. 85-year-old Texan saved from a Bitcoin ATM scam by Guardian Angel. The 250 million warning all Americans should heed. As the story said, she was about to put 20 to $40,000 into an ATM when another customer called the police to help her. And Bitcoin ATM is increasingly used by scammers to target victims. And even Montana is looking at a regulatory push to protect people from Bitcoin ATM. Christian Roodsel, is this what we've all dreamed of? The crypto revolution gave people access to the ability to buy coins with dollars, thus leading to a whole lot of dangerous, dangerous scams. It's always with new technology, right? Like the people that know how to exploit it always are the fastest. So, I mean, again, you have, there's all scams just work because they have the telephone because you can just reach people from another country and call them. Now with cheap calls, now global calls don't cost anymore. It basically works because the internet is there. Like you can, with artificial intelligence, you can basically screen your victims much more, much more easily. So, all this new technology, but yes, Bitcoin in the end with the ATM's delivers a kind of way to get the digital money, to get really money digitized basically, and send it anywhere in the world. I mean, that's the big, the big, big promise of Bitcoin, right? You can send it easily around the world. Yes, this could be also done for those scams. I'm more like for our age protection at those ATM. So, maybe the person has to answer a brainwatt question or something. So, to show that you're led, that you're up with the internet culture, and you can get that. Over there's quite a lot of old people. The old people are using ATM's. Is it like Minecraft Christians, like South Park and Minecraft? They have to know what a creeper is or they can't get it. Yeah, something like they press the creeper or something. Like I don't know, like at least get the old people off of those machines. Because those, the sad thing is, like those are often life savings that are getting lost. I'm not exactly sure how to handle this, this, this, this creeper thing, or what's your, of course, a fun question. But the, the, the older people are vulnerable. The elderly people are. And even, even we might be in the future when we get older, and we have our Bitcoin stack at home, like you have it like in your, in your control, and if you get older, you get confused. It's like it's not easy. So, to have some regulation there, I don't know. If it's, if it's well, sort out, I could be open for that. But as I expected, it will be a lot of crazy stuff that's coming down to Pipeline now. It starts like the first place to start would be some caps. Don't let people send 10,000. Don't let people send 20,000. Some kind of limits. Of course, you could have the person sit there and send 500 at a time forever. Whatever it is, there's always ways around it. But it is so sad to see these seemingly magical machines that for years, I've told people, hey, go use a Bitcoin ATM. Buy Bitcoin, get it with cash. In the early days, you could even get it without KYC. You could just put the money in there. But then, you know, you start to see the dark side of these machines. I know in San Francisco, we talk to people and be like, oh, we're so proud. We got a Bitcoin ATM. We got a little storefront here at Perst.io back in the day, over on 16th Street. And they would tell us like, yeah, you know, you Bitcoin nerds are nice. But the people that come in to use those ATMs are not nice. And without us nerds knowing, let's just say that a lot of prostitutes were using the ATMs and sending the Bitcoin presumably, allegedly, whatever, to their pimps. So maybe there's some pimps out there sitting on some fat Bitcoin, thanks to the work of the Bitcoin, or OGs like us. So it's too bad. This is not the goal. This is not what these machines were. And it's certainly not for people to be held hostage. Remember the people that are doing this, they have the phone up, they're like, they think they're talking to the IRS, they think they're talking to someone that's kidnapped, their son, and their desperate, and they're sad. And the people keep them on the phone the whole time. So they've been on the phone with these people for hours and hours. They're psychologically bent out. They get them all, you know, oh, you have to help me. I'll lose my job. You know, Granny, Granny, you're like my granny. You know, you've heard it on the YouTube's. They have all these things. And in a way, though, like Oscar's saying, Bitcoin, we don't make the scams. We make the scams better. So, Jess, see what do you think about the Bitcoin ATM scams? It's continued. We've been covering it here for a while. We've been telling people it's going to get out of control. And it's seemingly again, there's a sucker born every minute. And they're all willing to send you Bitcoin through an ATM. Well, I saw the article, which, you know, the headline is, I knew it was a scam. But when you see the article, she knew it was a scam. After she sent $8,000 and waited a week. Then she just like a good TAA analyst always knows after the fact exactly what happened and why. But it's so when I saw that it appears that they're just getting phone calls at home. And they're going to the store and then putting cash into these machines descended to the government or some kind of thing. Whatever the person says they're from. So it's in that way, it doesn't, to me, it's not like a Bitcoin scam. And it's not a crypto scam. It's just a scam because I've seen the same scam where people do it. But they make them by gift cards or they get them to walk to give them their bank fraud thing. So it being linked to like one machine just means like there's somebody knows where a machine is and people in that maybe live in that area or elderly or might be easy marks, something like that. So in that way, I don't really call it like a Bitcoin scam or crypto scam. It's just a regular technical scam. As far as like tracking it afterwards, that's the article that like it disappears forever. It doesn't because it goes on the blockchain. You know where exactly where it went. So is that accurate too? Maybe it's better that it's scanned in Bitcoin. I don't know. But and then the third part of it is it like, you know, when you use those machines, you have to put in like all that like you said, KYC and stuff to me. That's like crazy. From the time that I've been in Bitcoin, which is like 2018, 2019, at that point, you already had to do KYC. So I don't know of the world where you didn't have to do that. So the first time I tried to go to one of, you know, as soon as they wanted my passport and I just didn't about face and I never stepped foot in there again. You know, the really great part about this is that the victims can now pay taxes on their scam. If you bought $20,000 in Bitcoin and sent it to someone, you're still on the hook for the purchase. That's a what a system. What a world. Yes, crazy. I don't know. So as far as like solving this problem, it's, you know, I don't know. It's just like it's scam. It's telephone scams, you know, I get all kinds of phone calls daily and texts. Still, I don't know why. But you know, it's just, I think it's more basic education. I don't think it really. So long story short, it's not a Bitcoin scam. It's just a scam and it really has nothing to do with Bitcoin. It's just that's the thing that facilitates it. But it's really just a cash scam. It's just someone trying to get cash out of your hands and into theirs. And it's just one way of doing it. I think you're right, Jess. There were previous versions of this scam. They would have the person go to say FedEx and get a box and put the money in a box or put the money in some kind of a container that would mask the money. So you wouldn't be able to get it in the scanner or whatever. These kind of things. And again, the people didn't say, oh, we've got to stop the postal service. People are sending money through it for scammers. But they do say that with Bitcoin. And I do think that it's part of the inherent properties of Bitcoin that it can be sent to anyone and not stopped. That does continue to allow these scams and will in the end lead us to look back as this as a golden age of Bitcoin. This is the time when you could cash in and out of your bank account. Coinbase was still a legal company not running underground like Binance in the future. All of this is just golden because they really don't know what they're involved with. It's much like the internet. They think they have one thing. Maybe it's another thing. Maybe they can tamp it down and put the rabbit back in its hat. Or maybe they can't. And previous times they've been successful. The rabbit's always gone back in its hat. But this time, I don't know. What do you think? Will this continue? Will they use this as a reason to get rid of Bitcoin ATMs all together? Like they have the United Kingdom, Christian Routsel, the future of Bitcoin ATMs? I always think it's up to the local communities because you have to say like you're putting a machine there. It's like you're putting it into your local community. And I think it should be very locally, when it should be regulated, it should be also very locally regulated. So if you can see that your community is not able to handle it, then maybe you put really harsh limits on it and even maybe get rid of the machine. I think if it's really on a very local level, this can be decided. Or you can even, if you want such a machine, then maybe you make some education first in your community and stuff. So a little bit, I always like the idea of very localized regulation, where you can really buy the community you're in. You can judge if this makes sense or not. But what we probably see is those state-wise or very centralized regulations coming down the pipeline. And those always hit the people that need it. They cannot use it. And then the other people find a way around it. So let's see where it is going. I don't think. Local regulation would be my favorite. We're very local community regulation. It does seem like they're getting much more than they think they're getting. With a normal ATM, it's a link to the bank system. To somebody's bank account, it can cause a limited amount of fraud. With this Bitcoin ATM, as much as I'm a supporter, I'm seeing it as, Christian seeing it here as like a portal to the internet. And it's possible for all kinds of fantastic fraud. If you think about divorce cases, think about alimony, taxes, sanctions, all of these things. If you put the cash into the machine, send it, God knows where. What does the divorce attorney do? What does the tax person do? And here in Las Vegas, we have them right there in casinos. So maybe if you actually did win at the fixed gambling games, you could then put your winnings in there and the government doesn't even know if you won. It's another magic way where you enter the casino with money. You exit with nothing, but at the same time, maybe you still have something. So these Bitcoin ATMs are very magical, but maybe not in the way of people are thinking about. Jess, see what do you think about the future of Bitcoin ATMs? Are they going to be banned? Is this the next rap music or fast swing music or something? Yeah, I see. I seriously doubt that. But I think you're onto something when you said the limits. That seems reasonable. I mean, especially if you got to put on your information in there, maybe you can only do a couple of thousand a week or something. That's how it is in an ATM. I mean, if I go to the bank ATM, maybe it's a little different, but I even have to go to a teller if I'm going to take any big money out. If I went to the grocery store ATM, I'm not getting that more than 200 bucks. So how, you know, the other lady and one of those other stories, they let me say she was putting $25,000, $25,000 in cash and somebody was watching her, just I guess putting in all these hundreds and was like, hey, you sure you want to do that and kind of like put the gobbosh on it right before she hit the, she didn't lose me money because it was literally... It's like the crisis right. You're in the 7-11 and somebody's got 20 grand cash, shoving it in a machine and you're just watching it. You're just like, what's going on here? It's crazy. So yeah, I don't think they'll get banned, but they'll probably... It wouldn't be reasonable to put some kind of like really legislation on it or something, you know, for limits. That seems like a pretty reasonable thing to do. And of course, a friend of ours in the UK stopped a woman from sending all her money and he'd never got a newspaper article or all this stuff. So it's just not fair. Let's go to Oscar. What do you think? Oscar about the future of Bitcoin ATMs? I would like to say some certain things to start with the future. I think Bitcoin ATMs of course would have a future as well as ATMs have since... If they are completely regulated, like the scam is perfect, in terms of I know from our Latin American friends like in Brazil, for example, where you can withdraw with some solutions Bitcoin from any ATM. Any face recognition data is recorded with the help of ATMs. So ATMs are a tool to taint your coins, to taint your addresses. And this is... I think this is already processed in the European Union. For example, this is like last time I wanted to withdraw some money from a ATM machine here, wearing a motor helmet. I waited three minutes, no message on the screen. I took off my motor helmet and I had my money two seconds later. So this is already processed, so ATMs will have that future in any case. The only... And now going a little bit further back to your first question, or also what Christian said, when things are... The only experience I had when I got scammed was in El Salvador, when I bought at a perfectly regulated ATM machine. I tried to buy some Bitcoin. I still don't have it. And looking at the news, look, what we have learned during the last year is that from that legacy news platform, so providers, we are very well advised to insist that exactly the opposite is true. So I think the machines are really working well. And of course, they are scammed. They were always scammed. And I also know some people were scammed, and I would like just to add my contribution with a question, what would be if these fake news providers like CNN, etc, would spend their reach and their time for educating people about how to treat Bitcoin in the right way instead of fear mongering and bringing people to providers of really scammed services? What would be then? Well, certainly the first thing to tell people is that the IRS never asks for Bitcoin, and that kidnappers also probably rarely ask for Bitcoin, especially if you're just some normal person. But a lot of that's just common sense. And again, we don't know what it's like, especially for the older generation who has this strange phone call come in and all of this attention when you have no attention and you're sitting there in your apartment for days and days and days not talking to anybody and all of a sudden this guy is talking to you all the time and he won't stop talking to you. You can see why people get into this and why they get scammed by it. But just going back to what Jess was saying about the limits, they can put limits all they want. But remember, there's this film, allegedly, that it exists. The last film of Phillips, see more Hoffman and it's him going to the ATM like every hour to get more money so that he can then use it for heroin. So if people do want something like they want a drug or they want to scam these people or whatever, they'll just have them deposit a thousand dollars a day and keep them on the phone all week. I don't know. But like Oscar's saying, Christian who's saying it's about education. We just need to educate these people and sadly for the older generation, maybe it's time to get rid of the telephone, especially the landline where you get a lot of these phone calls because they can scroll through the system and get you that way. It seems like that phone, which was your friend for so long, is now has become your enemy. And this is probably how you're going to get scammed out if your inheritance is by your parents or someone you know picking up a bad phone call. And that seems preventable. Moving on to issue four, quantum analysis and quantum computing, Bitcoin price prediction, analyst words, the quantum dilemma could lead to serious Bitcoin bear markets. There's also a dormant Bitcoin whale with $442 million dollars they invested a long time ago and they've just moved their money allegedly due to quantum fears, although maybe they just wanted $442 million dollars. Sounds good too. The Daily HODL reports that quantum computing threat in just two to eight years warns Charles Edwards. Of course, if you go to Reddit and read the first comment, this headline pops up every few years. It's not as bad as it sounds. Quantum computers could theoretically break signatures, but it's a long way off from being practical. The Bitcoin developer community has already been preparing for this with quantum safe Bitcoin signatures Bitcoin could soft fork to quantum resistant quitography before it became a real issue. Open source network can adapt and evolve. Of course, the ran corporation reports when a quantum computer is able to break our encryption, it won't be a secret. Chinese researchers break RSA encryption with a quantum computer, so not a secret. And IBM is explaining what is quantum safe cryptography. As we said earlier, Bitcoin does have an option. And again, with quantum computing, it breaks all encryption. So bank encryption, secret government encryption, military encryption, all of which are kind of more important than Bitcoin as much as we like to focus on Bitcoin here. Jesse, what do you think about quantum computers? The Bitcoin whale selling and everybody just kind of freaking out. A lot of levels to this a lot to go through. So I'll try to get the first. It did say that probably is at least five to ten years away. So one more cycle. Yay. And then after that, we'll see what happens as far as the like. So at least you don't have to worry about it till until after the next having. But the guy is like the the sun going supernova. It's going to happen. The whale it and look like from the what it says, it basically moved it to another address and then maybe move like 15 million worth. So I guess that's 50 hundred bit coin or something onto onto an exchange somewhere maybe. So maybe cashing out some little bit of it. And you know, so just as a general thing, I'm glad all these old you know, old school people are selling around the hundred and keep it. It's like it's moving into a new hands at a higher price and creating a new floor. And that's that's sort of what happens in when these cycles is what's supposed to happen. So you know, I'm guessing that's probably what that's all about. There's been plenty of people that have moved their big coin, big the big whale said that have sold a lot over the last year. And you know, wait, that's a good thing. So long as the toe she doesn't do it. And then as far as like, yeah, one it's one of those things if if it happens, it's going to happen like it's going to be almost like a nuclear bomb. It's just going to happen like if it's a Bitcoin got hacked somehow or, you know, whatever that means like, I don't know quantum. You know, whatever that means about it being hacked, you know, they change the state of the ledger, I guess, and wreck everybody for some reason could happen. But like you said, Thomas, the bigger thing is like it'll happen. It would be everything all at once, you know, and so it would probably be like, you're everybody's bank account. It would be the quantum fear of all cyber everything, like kind of just going to shit. So it's like two, you know, it's a big thing to think of. And it's a lot to worry about if it's if and if you're prone to that, I would say, you know, drink a tea, sit back, do a little meditation, you know, relax, probably going to be okay for the short term, at least. And whenever a quantum comes around, maybe that maybe they'll figure out some new system. They're already working on new systems of cyber security in case of a cyber attack of that kind. It'll be like why 2k times 1000. Yeah. The thing I always notice whenever they know about these old wallets moving coins, there's always a tinge of jealousy to the story. Everyone's like, oh, they only paid $7,000 for these Bitcoin and now they're worth 500 million or whatever. In this case, it says the coins were originally mined in 2009. So they didn't even pay for these. They just use computer cycles. How jealous does that make you media? How could you even stand it? Anyway, let's move on to Oscar. What do you think about quantum computing? And of course, the latest Bitcoin whale sighting. If I have trust in any ecosystem mastering the quantum threat, it's a Bitcoin ecosystem. First, yeah. And it's ridiculous how many like looking again in media was shouting that out, was telling that story. Most of these are people who don't own Bitcoin. Who are totally, who are totally fiat money maximalists and writing their messages on WhatsApp? And now they're screaming about the fear of quantum computing, breaking Bitcoin. It's ridiculous. Of course, it's an issue. If you go deeper into that and it's an issue that is discussed in the ecosystem now for years seriously. And I've good trust that we will find solutions step after step. And there's not really one reason for me to to to to be in fear about that totally confident. So yeah, that's the only thing I can say to that. I still love the whale story from a few weeks ago where the the guy or gal or whoever it was, they transferred 10,000 Bitcoin in one send. They didn't do a test send of like a couple or something or maybe a 10 bucks or something. They sent it all at one time. And that either means they have an incredible amount of confidence in the network or they have other wallets with 10,000 Bitcoin in and they don't even care about that one. Christian roots, so what do you think about quantum computing the latest doomsday threat to Bitcoin? I mean, it's it's always like with the media like it's driven by by doomsday stories because they click and this is how capitalism works nowadays in in in in new cycles. So but there is there is of course there is something there's some substance in the stories. I mean, there is this Google kind of discovery, this progress in a quantum computing field. So at least pushing the the boundary closer. So there is at least something to say yes, there's something coming on the horizon. I also see it like in the next decade, but I'm also no quantum expert. The the what I can see from the Bitcoin kind of thing because we talk there will be a bear market and the longest ever whatever. Yeah, something I think I mean, it's look how Bitcoin always changes. It's a big consensus system and to get everybody on the same page, you always need pain to to to to to make a bigger change there. So yes, I can I can see there will be some pain points ahead in the future and it has to hurt. It's the only way how Bitcoin can come together. If everybody feels a pain, everybody comes together is interested in a solution. Then we maybe activate some bips that are lying there. I think it's okay and it's a good strategy to not overrush the implementation of of quantum resistant technologies into Bitcoin because it always like let's wait a bit. Maybe there is coming something better. So don't implement some first kind of generation quantum resistant technology. I like that. So having I think being prepared is a good thing and you can see this in the Bitcoin scene. If you look at some at the discussion forums, you can see it last just this year, you have much, much more reporting discussion on this topic. So at least people getting getting climbed in the state to prepare for this. I like the trend and I hope to see it see it growing. And for example, with the traversing with the treasurer's safe, I think it's a sure there's a lot of marketing in there. But I like the idea of just putting on a new device and putting it into the bootloader to make the bootloader. The little starting piece foundation in your system to make it ready. So and not deploy a completely quantum solution. But just have your bootloader ready. So if this threat is coming, you have at least a little foot in the door to really deliver in a secure way like the updates. So yeah. So regarding the way story, I was not very conclusive to see that they moved it from an old pay to papkey kind of address or from a tepid address. So I'm not exactly sure if this was really some of quantum related. It may just fit into the new cycle. So just just picked it and imprinted it. So you definitely don't want to be the first with a quantum solution like you're saying, Christian, it could cripple your project and then other better solutions come out that are 10 times faster. And I think it's it's pretty insane for the media to link this whale to quantum computing fears. Just because somebody wants 400 million or whatever, good on them. They were tired of holding and they want 10 millions dollars, whatever, let them have it. That's great. But we do came to keep monitoring these wallets. It gets fun here and fun here. And it's also getting worse and worse if you're tracking this more and more smaller wallets will soon be monitored and soon they'll be like, Oh, I can't believe you spent $200 for beer in 2017. That's worth $5,000 now. Stuff like that will be happening. And they'll be asking who owns that wallet. We've got just a few more stories here. We'll do a really short two story grab bag. The Federal Reserve enters a new era in payments. Waller welcomes crypto to the table. Federal Reserve governor Christopher, Christopher Waller says the United States Central Bank is entering a new era that embraces DeFi distributed ledgers and digital assets within the mainstream financial system. Just another story that I can't believe we're seeing. I can't believe the Fed is a fan of Bitcoin, even though so many things are terrible things are happening in this administration. It is pretty impressive to see some of the promises come through and come through for crypto and Bitcoin will ask the panel about that as well as this post from Groobles at not Groobles on Twitter. Following up on the Bitcoin knots, CSAM, CPAP, whatever it is imagery, someone has uploaded the tank man image as you know the Chinese government during the Tiananmen Square democracy protests or massacre whatever you want to say 1989 the tank man stopped the row of tanks. This image is banned by the Chinese government yet they do not ban Bitcoin. As Groobles says, it has now been uploaded into Bitcoin so you're now holding a horrible image. Let's go to Oscar. What do you think about the Federal Reserve accepting Bitcoin and the idea of the knots argument, not meaning much as tank man is now in the blockchain? The FedEx Act in Bitcoin, it was mostly I think this article was mostly about crypto and one thing I saw recently was somebody said like Ethereum like it's a testnet, it's a Bitcoin testnet and somehow I let them play a little bit with the testnet and then let's see how these things, other things will evolve. We have the same like with Bitcoin collateral solutions, started with all that stuff out there with red Bitcoin etc. I know you can put that on daily fine. And there there were other solutions also for institutional players. So it's a first step in evolution of more adoption that the Fed starts with that crypto stuff. So that's a good thing. And the second one like one more reason for the Chinese Communist Party to ban Bitcoin. It's just one more reason. So nice. You can also like I don't know what to say more about that. Well again we've all known there's horrible things in the Bitcoin blockchain not to mention all of the transactions with which send money to God knows who and God knows where, which has always been the thing with money. Let's go to Christian roots or anything about the Federal Reserve accepting Bitcoin maybe crypto and then the tank man suddenly in the blockchain. Yeah I mean again like the old financial system opening up to the crypto world and more more fusing with it. I mean that's basically a trend we can see more more. So that's interesting to at least to watch. The question is always like how do you use those more ledges legacy systems? How do you integrate them? If you put them at the center of your system or you make a build reliance on them, I think you really get rid of all the innovation basically and you you just build some some new powder, some lipstick on the pick basically. So the question is if there's really something changing. If you use those systems sometimes on the on the outside of your systems, I think you can often make it easier for people. You can upgrade the UX basically for for the customers and make it easier to onboard. So it depends how you use those kind of gates if they if they open. And first of all and it's it's basically all the crypto land out there. It's there haven't seen anything regarding Bitcoin there. It's basically somehow included I think but haven't seen some example that's very interesting from the Bitcoin side. On the on the tank man thing like being yeah the whole I mean this shows a bit like how this discussion is a bit blown up at the moment. There was always this problematic kind of content somehow hidden in the blockchain. And I think also it will not be a make or break moment if up return is a bit a little bit bigger or allowing you to store a little bit more of of a bit in data in it will make it a little bit easier or like I like to say it's not a make or break moment for Bitcoin because if and this is what Oscar was basically saying if the if some regime wants to come out of the Bitcoin they will find a reason anyway. So it's like they they they like the policeman going around your car and they they will find something if they if they want to search your car. So basically I think so just it's an example to show how overblown a little bit this discussion is on on on this one topic on the Nots team or at least of community around it. So yeah it would be nice to talk about other interesting things we can we can change or update in Bitcoin and I'm a little bit tired on this this one point make it it's so overblown so yeah thanks for this one example that nobody cares basically. It would be better if they had a more technical example something about the size of the blocks or it getting too full or something really it's just more offensive images and look now we've embedded the tank man into this show YouTube will now be banned and blocked in China. This image famously taken by a western photographer who I believe then hid the film in their toilet then snuck the film out of the country a sensational image at the time one man I think he was unknown for a long time that they have some people they believe in the tank man now but unknown for a long time really for his own safety stopping that column of tanks of course what happened the next day is that the tanks roll into Tiananmen Square and massacre the democracy protesters in horrible violence which seemed to forget because we only know this one image but in China they've they've shockingly blocked the entire event it's like the Mount St. Helens explosion just doesn't exist and you ask everybody and they're like did that volcano explode and they're like what volcano so it isn't impressive again and as the PBS documentary talked about a few years ago the one I talked about with the film but what an impressive campaign of censorship they have done to erase this image I don't think American minds can really understand it's as if like the winner of the 1983 World Series was just erased and no one talked about it and it was just a blank line in the history books and like what happened in 1989 no one knows it's really it's really it's an accomplishment I mean it's censorship but it's like censorship Olympics like you're the best just see what do you think about the Federal Reserve adopting crypto and the tank man image kind of blowing away the whole knots C. Sam argument the Federal Reserve situation I didn't see Bitcoin I just saw like to me look like D5 what they were calling D5 so to me that could be I there's pictures of Bitcoin there but I don't remember I wasn't sure in the article if they're gonna take Bitcoin what pictures are pretty good pictures are starting the what it what it what it sounds like to me is something like you know there's like there's JP Morgan coin there's like they need that they need faster rails that's obvious and this is just like a way to do it this is just a technological breakthrough really that they're finally we wrap in their heads around it going okay this is the way we can sort of get these think kids these things back and forth easier without having to go through other kinds of maybe even like Swiss and stuff like that so I don't know this gonna be the what's that the coin base one this the CUSDC or if it's gonna be Solano or whatever but if they are taking Bitcoin that could be a good thing for the government or even for the Fed to to begin some kind of treasury thing like that so overall it's a good it's progress so there's that as far as like the the tank image you know I mean that it's a nice form I think of non-violent protest I mean this way it's kind of like a fuck you to China you know somebody just wanted to say that in a way without saying it you know they just put it you know without getting into the politics of spamming the Bitcoin network or something like that just talking about like what that is is China you know China did ban mining I think it banned Bitcoin a couple of times here and there but as Bitcoin gets more mature and more serious it seems more and more obvious that basically no country is going to be able to that's what it is since censorship it's a form Bitcoin is non-violent protest so it's like it's great I you know it's whether spam belong you know what that kind of thing should be on the blockchain whatever it's there now and and it's what it is and I don't and I it's just it's just what Bitcoin is it's the people's money it's the people's system it's the people's fucking you know Excel spreadsheet and if they want to put whatever they want to put on I guess they're going to do it they pay for it you know they could pay the fee to put it on there then that's what it is they're not breaking the rules of blockchain it's also to know what is offensive and what isn't offensive there's no nudity there's no sex there's no children there's one man standing up to a column of tanks and in many ways this image is much more offensive to all of that other thing so it's interesting to see this not just about the Puritan ethic to protect people or whatever there's whole global issues about what images are and aren't offensive and certainly let's not even talk about an image of the prophet Muhammad which would be horrible right and that again could very easily be inserted into the blockchain not no one should do that but we're running out of time so let's go to predictions or story of the week Jess see are you ready with a prediction or a story of the week go ahead yeah well I made a prediction last week and so actually I want to take a step back because three years ago I predicted a 125 top on October 25th and we kind of like we almost hit it but I mean that's basically kind of what happened so in that way I've done something incredible but besides that I said last week and I'm gonna I'm gonna go forward on it and say it one more time to get it cleared out everybody out there yeah yeah exactly I think that this I think that the four-year cycle still exists and I think because there's so much like hubbub about it and it's sort of a big way that this one's gonna be like a little bit more extended and less volatile so I think it goes into January like I think some of the earlier cycles it go into January maybe and then you know whatever happens after that but so I think we're gonna extend the cycle a little bit longer and maybe even break 126 well you know what they say it's not over till it's over let's go to Oscar for prediction or a story of the week go ahead Oscar so yeah prediction prediction prediction look I don't I really don't know how much paper Bitcoin they can still sell to keep the price at that level so keep buying no idea I'm totally and to the asset by by the new Bitcoin collateral solution ecosystem that is emerging just found this this week one one webpage zone 21.com that compares that starts with it's from the Nunchark guys to they they compares Bitcoin collateral solution there with with different dimensions like of risk management evaluating the oracles etc etc etc and so it's like a product product service check now for this new ecosystem and it's perfect it's working I'm also I'm also doing that you can get that like I'm using I'm I'm app user or foldload and debify and even now like you get from a from a from a Swiss bank you can get Swiss francs at nearly at the same day without any problems with just putting your collateral on a on relatively safe, a multi-sick asco address I'm loving that and I think that is really that is going to to be the main drive of for the next cycle since like people will discover that opportunity and family office etc will do so buzzword perpetual income that will just nobody will sell anymore and if people get that what that means that will be like a massive adoption boost and also price boost so yeah maybe next week 150 I don't know would be reasonable it does seem like a lot after last week's crash we got rid of the shorts we got rid of the longs maybe that gives us room to take off and go straight up maybe that also gives us room to take off and go straight down I have no idea no one does Christian roots or prediction or a story of the week go ahead yeah I think I will try to predict something I can mostly control and this will be that I will be in the UK probably not completely guaranteed yet but on a 22nd of November there is the BITFEST conference happening out perfectly you have it ready that's that's perfect and and I and I heard there will be a DJ set from DJ roots all happening at the 22nd in the location factory 251 so I think we are we still finding out the last the details still but and there will also be Dan the crypto raptor so it will be nice and and Roger 9000 so you will have kind of the really the absolute a less a listers here of off the kind of Bitcoin culture scene I think and all mixed with a nice conference and interesting other kind of crypto related topics so yeah this will be happening I hope I get my visa for the UK because Europeans have it in not hard now to get into the country I hope I get my passport stuff ready and all the kind of things and I see if it works out and I'm happy to to hang out with my UK friends a little bit more so that's my prediction for for November at least I hope you get it I know that the EU or the UK people had trouble getting in the EU and now the EU people have trouble getting in the UK what is going on over there is complete nonsense a few years ago you just be friends they'd be like oh come on in so nice get a plane get over there hey I don't think they have the same systems they can't just look you up in the same computer and be like oh yeah it's still not a threat from the EU they're like no we destroyed all those computers and Brexit we destroyed all all evidence that we are ever friends with Europe it's gone you're on a new system now but I hope you get it worked out Christian I hope to see you there and I hope to see everybody at BitFest I'm going to be there in the cold in Manchester November 21 through 23 go to bitfest.uk still sign up and get tickets it's going to be a great fun at a bitfest but thanks to everybody for joining us thanks for saying hello in the chat we got one comment last week so shout out to Roy he keeps the comments coming I hope Starship had a good dinner with his friend he said he's going to listen to this 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