The Bitcoin Group, the American original, for over the last 10 years, the sharpest Satoshi's, the best Bitcoinist, the hardest cryptocurrency talk. We'd like to welcome our panelists to Anne Eve, the crypto raptor. Happy Friday folks. Victoria Jones from Satoshi's page. Hello, hello everyone. And I'm Thomas Hunt from the World Crypto Network, moving on. The price of Bitcoin is down 1.93% in the last 24 hours with a high of $121,000 and $50, below of $117,000 and $400 and a last of $117,530 with a volume of 292 Bitcoins, changing hands. According to coinTelegraph.com, the Bitcoin Golden Cross that sparked 2,000% Bitcoin gains is already here. Bitcoin, bold or salivating as the 2025 daily golden cross starts to deliver classic Bitcoin price gains. In the past, these gains have exceeded 2,000%. Just check out that chart. As you can see, according to Merlin, the trader X, once Bitcoin does the widow wiggle thing, it goes up 139%, 2,200%, 1,190% and then question mark percent. What will happen next with the price of Bitcoin? Of course, if you've already been following ATTECH Dev underscore 52, you know that he's been predicting this for a long time, both the vertical break out of Bitcoin and the upward trend in the altcoin market, which is also skyrocketing. Be sure to push the thumbs up button down below. We are going live from Barcelona, Dan Eave. What do you think about the price? The price, the price and the price, Bitcoin. Well, price is obviously beautiful and we were experiencing all like the all-time high I think of a camera ran in New Yorker, which was pretty sick. The 200,000% right, though, that's pretty hardcore. It would be amazing if we saw that, but from say 100K, that's going to take us to what, 20 million or something. Why that's 20X? Is that 10.0, 2 million? Oh, yeah, yeah. It's a lot. It's a lot, 2 million, but a Bitcoin, which would be cool. I'd like to see that this bull run. But I think the weird thing is that like when we're chatting to people like in New York blockchain days, the general sentiment was like, you know, great, we hit a million and stuff like that, but realistically 250K is probably like more the region, right? And some of the people were like, we were talking about our old stories and how we got to Bitcoin, like the first Bitcoin, etc. and not that you still have it because you used it for stuff and paying for things and all that and using it on certain places and fun things and all not fun things. And fun things, but a little bit cool, say for things. But anyway, so I don't think anyone ever bought anything fun with Bitcoin ever. No, exactly. It was just for stacking, of course, yeah. But back in the early days, we used it, right? And then people were saying like when you bought like because I bought my first for like $75 and then immediately used it on, lost it on Bittrex trading in the casino for like super coin and all sorts of other crap. But they said like, what was your price prediction like when you first bought it? And I was like, I would have been, I would have been happy with $100, you know? And it's like every time the bull run hit, you just, you wouldn't be able to, and even being in like quite early with, you know, I was 2013 when I had about it, but just the price just always blew your mind like it always blew your mind at the end of the bull run the peak price. So I'd like to see like obviously the 250K is almost like a conservative estimate now, but I want the mind blowing would be there would be pretty much, you know, half a million anything higher than that. And it does do it. It does do it every, every bull run it blows your mind as to how far it can go. So let's, let's see how far Bitcoin pushes it now. I've heard enough talk of this low end, 130, 150, 250, right? 250 is now a pedestrian Bitcoin prediction. If you look at 2000% and you stack that on there, we're talking two million, we're talking three million. And I hate to quote and agree with Samson Mal, even though I think he's a cool guy, but maybe Bitcoin just takes off. Maybe all the things we've been saying for 10 years plus and everyone else out there has been saying for even longer just happens overnight and we go to a million and then they say, whoa, that's not enough. Two million, three million. And then we did, we did back to 1.5 or 500K, which by then will be called a crash Bitcoin will crash to 500K. Victoria Jones, all of the bullishness is in the room. Do you agree? Anything's possible with Bitcoin, nothing would surprise me. So I've been around too long now. I've seen, I mean, I remember in 2017 when I first got into, well, I was a year into Bitcoin by then, but just watching the price rise at the end of 2017 was just remarkable. And life changing for many people who'd been involved in it. And of course, there are people who've only become involved in Bitcoin recently. I'm sure they're all looking forward to the point at which they experience a similar thing. So this could be your moment, guys, or maybe not because anything could happen in Bitcoin. You just don't know. But, you know, I can tell you from firsthand experience is very exciting when it happens. And remember in stocks, they're bonds you could go an entire year and get 5%. You could be a genius if you get 10%. So these Bitcoin returns that we're potentially talking about, which get at your own, investment, and vice blah blah blah. You know, if it doubles, if it triples, that's 200%. That's 300. The extreme we're talking about 2000. But of course, we're traveling. We weren't able to bring the magic eight ball through customs, but we have magic eight ball dot com for you. Dan Eve will the price of Bitcoin be higher or lower this time next week? Hire. Victoria Jones higher or lower? Yeah, we could be on a roll, maybe higher. You know, I've been bullish. I've been following tech dev. I've been trying to huddle what little I have left as Dan said after spending so much of it at conference after conference. And now we will ask the magic eight ball. Will the price of Bitcoin be higher this time next week? It is decidedly so. It is decidedly so. We're going on to our real. Oh, of course, well, we haven't been around the Bitcoin group for a while and we'd like to apologize. We missed two weeks ago. It was the fourth of July holiday in the US. And we missed last week because we were at New York, a blockchain days. We had a great time. Everybody was there till Moss was speaking about a lecture wallet and Dan was wrapping about Noster and ETFs and Bitcoin, even NFTs. There was awesome news about Bitcoin, Jesus, no, not that one, not that one. Oh, that one. Oh, yes, that one. And sometimes this one Roger there unfortunately is still stuck in Spain for another year. Unfortunately, we were unable to see him at the conference. Last year, he seemed pretty interested in letting me interview him about his first computer by having been able to pull that off since. The Roger there is estimated to have perhaps 400,000 Bitcoin, which would be $40 billion. The US government is estimated to be asking for somewhere between 40 and $400,000 based upon the exit tax in the United States, which you have to pay if you leave the country with a larger amount. Dan, Eve, what do you think about the Roger failure situation? And of course, the great time that we just had at the Orca blockchain days. Well, first of all, I've got to say, yeah, another, another incredible Yorker blockchain days. It was just awesome. Just really is. It's like, but it's more, it's kind of like that you can gauge a conference by the regulars that it has. And the thing about this conference is that it has a lot of regulars. And don't be fooled by the fact that it's called me orca blockchain days because it's all about, it's all about Bitcoin, especially now that there's no sponsors and stuff like that. So it's literally pure Bitcoin. We have some incredible speeches and victories included. And Thomas from an electric, of course, he had the mining panel as well. So we have people from Brains, Brains. I can't, I can't remember how to spell it, how to pronounce it. But yeah, it's definitely a shout out to Brains who have these really cool Bitcoin books. Some about mining and heating that even explained like the laws of thermodynamics. It was like, it was like a Boy Scout book of everything you need to know about mining. And it talked about how the heat was a valuable resource that mining produces. Was it clever? Clever. Was it past phrase? Was that the one? Yeah. So is it the past phrase is the magazine that Chris makes? Oh, that was a good question. Yeah, sorry. And they were a blockchain days. And then there was also a good book as well, which haven't, which is again, this one's got brains on it, but it's a bit funny. Ultimate classroom again. So there's lots of show it because lots of cool reading material that you get free. But it is and also a really cool European street art book that I was, I was given as well by Thomas, which has got some epic stuff in which is a slide stuff out without breaking everything on the desk. It's really cool. So it's got a bunch of street art from the Bitcoin, mad Bitcoin tours, which we might as well add that there is definitely a pattern emerging if whenever Thomas goes on tall, there's definitely an all time high or a pump, which is really good because it's nice having it. We were on a catamaran when it hit like 123. Right. So everyone's just lounging around. Every time there's an all time high, everyone's like getting a reason they're big. Hey, you know, another all time high. So that was really cool. So yeah, conference was sick. It's absolutely amazing. And back to Roger. I mean, so was it only his bills like a hundred four hundred K. Did you say his bill is so he's out principle? Well, it's hard to say because a lot of people are saying that Roger hasn't been delivered a bill. This is very unusual. Usually the IRS gives you a bill and you pay it. There may be some debate of how much he has, how much he has control of if he sold them to his wife, if he sold them to his business, does he still control them? It's a question. Yeah, no, it would have been good to see him actually because I'm a man person. And you know, he's obviously a divided character because of the block walls and everything. But at the end of the day, you know, if he's, but he's back to Bitcoin now, he's not really pushing Bitcoin cash or anything, right? He's not, he's not, I mean, he's obviously still kind of what is book on the bus. Well, when I spoke to him, he said that he had never left. Ah, there you go. So cool, cool. So we don't even need to welcome him back because he never actually left the true Bitcoin. He just maybe got, let's shut up, let up the garden path by Craig Wright and his mercenaries trying to divide the community for their crazy stuff and look, Craig Wright's now on the run. So, but for different reasons than Roger. But it sounds like that story was pretty hardcore, right? He, he didn't actually try to do everything by the book. He had accountants. He did everything that he thought was by the book with the, you know, the American exit tax, trying to pay off the, you know, so that he no longer is a kind of a tax slave of America. But then they still were like, no, no, no, we want more. And I think we're probably going to see more, more sad stories about that, like coming out as people kind of exit their countries and trying to get away from the extreme tax and the UK as well as is another one of the moment. I think 10% of millionaires are read in a fled UK in 20, 25 already. So it's not looking good for high tax nations, that's for sure. Well, and we're also reaching the one year mark of Roger being stuck not only in just Spain, but seemingly he's stuck in Palma, me orca. According to what I've read, Roger attended a conference in Cyprus, was flying back to wherever he wanted to go, maybe stopping at Palma, me orca for a beach vacation. Now he's on a permanent beach vacation and it's shocking to see a man so interested in freedom, lose so much freedom so quickly and go from imagine the entire world is your oyster, you bought all these bitcoins early to suddenly you're trapped in Palma, me orca, which is very nice. But I don't know about being there forever or even an entire year. Victoria Jones, what do you think about, of course, Roger Veer and the great time that we had at New York, a blockchain days? Yeah, I mean, me orca never fails to deliver and as Dan said, you know, there are so many regulars now, it feels like a family reunion every time we go. So, you know, I definitely appreciate that. It's just like one long conversation. I've actually been going over since the first one started in 2019. Obviously there was a break in 2020 because of the pandemic, but since then, there's been one every year and I've been very honored to have been given an opportunity to speak by Chris for all that time. So this was the fifth talk that I gave at New York and blockchain days and it was on the top of Bitcoin and War, which was very fascinating. Very, you know, people thinking. So yeah, it was fantastic and of course, it was fantastic to see everyone again and the boat trip on the Catamaran is often the highlight of my year, you know, who could ask more really Sun and see a surrender by friends with opportunities to talk about my favourite subject. So which is Bitcoin. So who could have asked more really? And yeah, I think they've already released the dates for next year, which are the night, the night of the 12th of July. So anyone who's still interested, book now or forever hold your peace. So yeah, so excellent. As for Roger, yes, I mean, it's very sad, you know, to have literally captured one of the most valuable assets in the world and then to have your freedom so severely curtailed. I mean, just close to show people think that, you know, money buys everything and hopefully money buys freedom. I mean, many of us as Bitcoiners, we invest in Bitcoin because financial freedom is certainly something that many of us have striven for and fortunately, many of us, thanks to Bitcoin, have now achieved. But to be one of the first and oldest holders and then to be, you know, as nice as Miorcara is to have your freedom curtailed like that, I mean, it's terrible really. And it just goes to show that, you know, there's more to the world than just money. And the way in which the world is contained. And also one of the problems is being too prominent. And to vocal is that you can end up being targeted, especially by the government while the government is still in power. So, you know, it's a lesson to all of us really that we need to be, you know, careful what we say. It's important to be honest and truthful and to get the message out there. But obviously, you know, upsetting the wrong people can be troublesome. But, you know, how do you change the world unless you upset the wrong people? You know, sometimes we need each other in order to form more than army. Sometimes if you're an individual and you don't have any support, then it makes you very vulnerable. And although there are only people supporting Roger, it would appear that not enough, you know, unfortunately, because many people are alienated during many of the disagreements, you know, it seems to have had an effect. So it's difficult to, I mean, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, oh, Faye with the entire story. But obviously, you know, it's sad. I feel sorry for him, really, because obviously he was not that anyone wants to be pitied. But, you know, I, you know, for someone who tried so hard and was such a pivotal figure right at the beginning to be left in that situation is, it's a shame really. I really hope that, you know, he finds his way out of that situation soon. I certainly wasn't sure at first and I didn't jump right on the spand wagon. Obviously, I think Elon Musk's tweet reply to him was very negative and very shocking. And surprisingly, coming from, I believe a South African citizen, not an American citizen, as Elon show harshly judge Roger saying, membership had its privileges. But maybe it's time for a free Roger movement. I know Trump has done a lot of things. He's done a free Ross. He's got, as we'll talk about soon, the stable coin legislation through, not really my dream, but cool. Maybe it's time to free Roger as well. And let's couple with that. Let's get rid of the exit tax, too. That doesn't seem very American. Seems anti-Maga telling people they're going to keep you here, take away your liberty, tax you when you try to leave. I don't think very many Americans even know that there is an exit tax. So if we're going to get rid of the estate tax and all these other taxes, let's get rid of this exit tax, too. Sounds good to me. David Bailey, get right on that. I'll see how that goes. Let's move on to the next story here. Issue 1, Hump.Fun raises $600 million in 12 minutes as the Hump tokens fully sell out. As we've seen before, Hump.Fun is selling tokens about their product, which is a way to buy altcoins. They've sold out in 12 minutes, launching an incredible run. $500 million has $600 million with an API delay. Just an incredible sale. We often talk about how Ben's projects, Josh projects, my own projects, can't seem to raise a thing. But this Hump.Fun raising money like crazy as far as I know, no Hump tokens have ever really gone up. They all go up and go down. I don't know if people really make money on there. Maybe if they're really smart and quick, they do. Victoria Jones, what do you think about Hump token and $600 million in 12 minutes? It's just insane, isn't it really? It just goes to show that the altcoin market still has legs, but only if you're in the right sector. Judging what the right sector is and what influence is it is really, really tricky. Typically, I've stayed away from the altcoin market, but clearly there's crazy stuff that goes on over there. It's a casino and clearly someone has figured out how the casino works and has managed to make a nice tidy profit. Good for them. It's not going to change the world. I tend to believe that that kind of thing can only make it worse. But this is what we're dealing with. You can't account for the madness of men as Isaac Newton said over 300 years ago. We haven't got over that one yet. Dan, I pitched this idea to people. I talked about it and Dre has talked about it. Joey Cohen, everyone should have their own altcoin. We get nothing. They get $600 million. What do you think? Well, I don't know about that, but I did perhaps to someone at their conference and they were like they reminded me of yacht coin when we were interviewing people about yacht coin. This was a satire. But the number of people that we interviewed at this conference asking them about our ICO, which was going to be yacht change. Sorry, it was yacht change. It was people that were losing their yachts and losing their ledges at sea. So they would have a blockchain which would chain the yachts together so they wouldn't lose their yachts and you would have proof of yacht and all sorts and proof of anchor and stuff like that. And the number of people that lapsed it up at these like 2017 conferences, 2018 conferences, it was just sickening. They were like genuinely interested asking us how the chain worked and stuff. We were just like we were just ad libbing. But yeah, you can sell anything with a bit of marketing and pump. It seems like they've actually they've tanked a little bit, right? It seems like there was a huge kind of pump, I don't know what market cap it reached, but it's down to back down to about 4.3 billion market cap. It's down about 20% over 24 hours and it seems like it's not doing too well. But the end of the day, it's a mean coin factory and people seem to love that. I know it's banned in the UK at the moment. So you can't actually go on pump.fun. I think that was part of the issue was that crazy suicide that happened and some other awful events that made them drop and pump, pump, pump, or fun, which you kind of, you know, you can kind of understand because some of these things become a runaway train like one of the concepts that we were discussing was, or was like for the few people was about AI and the fact that there's tokens out there that are trying to decentralize AI. The problem with that is that you have Bitcoin, we're so proud of Bitcoin that can't be cut off because it's a decentralized network. You'd have to shut down all the miners and miners will just pop up elsewhere. If the miners shut down, you have GPUs, the farms that pop up and it really would become a whack-a-mole game that would be impossible to actually shut Bitcoin down. If you do that stuff with AI, and you've got these autonomous AI agents that run a decentralized network with some Bitcoin that's running it, you can't shut that down and that could become quite nefarious. If you don't have guardrails on their open AI and stuff have, you can have instructions on how to make all sorts of nefarious stuff. I'm not even going to go into that detail, but there's all sorts of crazy stuff that was banned on normal chat things at LLMs and you can have these decentralized ones now that become agents for you so you could do stuff like, why don't you just annoy someone? Just annoy this person continuously and you'll have a 24-hour AI agent that you can pay a shit coin and it will just harass someone online or something stupid like that. There's all sorts of nefarious things that can be done. I don't know those shit coins anymore and I think probably fun, it sounds funny and stuff, but there's a lot of risk associated with that. There's some odd stuff that you can get and I'm a free market guy, but Pumb.Fund, it just went a bit too far with some of that stuff, so at least they kind of, they try to rein it in a bit themselves. I think it's fun for us and other Bitcoiners who aren't that interested in altcoins and certainly aren't interested in the new altcoin of the day if it's dog coin or per coin or raccoon coin or whatever it is, but sadly I do think a lot of people lose money on this website. I'm curious to see what they're going to do with $600 million, probably build a big fire and light it on fire. Maybe use it for advertising. I think I even read that one of the founders of Pumb.Fund, someone was tracing his wallet and he lost 600K in a day on his own shit coin casino, so it's dangerous out there folks. I'm not going to know. I'm kidding, but if he can be raised 600 mil and what should they do with the money? Probably take it and give it back to all the people who have ever bought anything on their casino. That'd be incredible. I won't hold my breath. We'll see how this turns out in the future, but for right now it's just another one of those really huge raises, which seems odd because like you say, Dan, it felt like we're already over this. Everybody kind of knows now anything on Pumb.Fund, probably rip off. If you don't see the mark at the table after half an hour, you're probably the mark. I think a lot of marks are coming into that casino, but it's a huge raise. We had to mention it. We'll keep an eye on that story as it developed. Moving on to issue two, crypto hacker who raised who drained $42 million from GMX goes white hat, returns the funds in exchange for a $5 million bounty. Seems like an excellent deal for GMX. They get the money back. The hacker gets $5 million. Victoria Jones, what do you think about the hacker going white hat? Well, it's always better when people get the money back, don't they? Even if it's something's better than nothing. If it can be set up in such a way that people can be rewarded for being honest, that's always better. I think traditionally many hackers have seen it as their role to spot the weaknesses because in doing that, it's actually a service to the network because then it gives people an opportunity to overcome that. I don't think white hat hackers is that unusual. There have definitely been situations in the past where people have given the stuff back in exchange for bounty. That's still preferable to someone just disappearing and they're not telling anyone how they actually broke into the system. Clearly, it's better that these systems aren't hackable at all. That's what we're striving for. But in the absence of that, I'm happy to support development and rewards for people who are honest. According to the support ticket, it says the exploit was a re-enterncy attack, a type of hack that affects smart contracts by taking advantage of the vulnerability presented when a smart contract makes a call to another before updating itself, leaving open the possibility for an external malicious contract to enter in. I think it's a very smart move by GMX to offer the bounty. I think it's a smart move by the hacker to take the bounty. We've talked before in the past about certain hats like BitFinex or what have you and how they never seem to get the money. The hackers, they're always chased forever. Whereas this hacker by going white hat, helping them fix the problem, giving back a large portion of the funds gets the money free and clear as far as I can see. Their next problem is likely with their own government. Good luck with that. Dan Eve, what do you think about the GMX hacker giving back the funds? Well, I mean, it's a good idea, right? Because they do eventually get hunted down. Although we've got lots of means of office skating funds and routes and different kind of swap engines like change now and FF, I can't remember the float, fixed float and all these other ones that are used, you can still be tracked down in some way. Nothing is absolutely impermeable to snooping at the moment. Plus a lot of the exchanges and platforms, certainly the larger ones where you need the volume to be able to trade, they are happy to go along with investigations, because they don't want their funds used for money laundering and that sort of stuff. And so they're quite happy to cooperate when people are investigating. I think it's Zach XBT or Zach XXBT does quite a lot of these traces. He's very popular on Twitter with tracking these funds and he's got some really complex methods of figuring out how these funds flow and where they go. Well, it's crazy is that we're still having reentering sea attacks in 2025, right? Because that's pretty much, I mean, I'm not a, you know, a Coda and I don't really know, smart contracts are very well at all. But what I do know is that it's like reentering sea attacks are probably one of the biggest things you should be coding against. So, you know, so I'd be interested to find out why these things are still happening. But on the, on the, why? And it's interesting, Dan, they've raised $50 million. It was a pretty important fund. I don't know anything about GMX, what they are. I think it's fascinating that Hacker gave the money back. But yeah, a huge raise on seemingly like you say, very basic elementary code. Yeah, yeah. So I don't know if this is if reentry attacks, reentry sea attacks are, I don't know, there's much more complex now or with the new, you know, maybe they changed with the Ethereum smart contracts. I've got no idea. But they probably shouldn't be happening now, especially if you raise $50 million, you should be throwing a few more pennies into your smart contract. All is there's companies like Immunify, which I've actually dealt with before that are pretty cool. So what you do is you, you, you put your open source smart contracts out and you basically give it for, for hackers to hack. And so you have different rewards structures. I'm not that I've not affiliated with them in any way. I've just used them and I think it's a great idea. So you invite white hack hackers before your smart contracts go live to just hack the crap out of it. And then they'll get bounties based on the severity of the issues. That sort of thing. So I think that's quite a good idea. And we probably need more of that. And it's just a shame really that in 2025, we're still seeing such amateur processes that are popping up in in in coding smart contracts, right? But often we find that that and when I speak to, you know, get conferences and stuff and speak to not me or blockchain days, because there's no ICO people there. But other conferences, another me apps, right? There's a lot of people that are actually creating these ICOs, have no idea like they're like, oh, I heard about this Ethereum thing last week. And you know, I've created a startup and I'm going to raise these funds and you're like, and they're like, oh, I've raised six million already. And I'm like, what the hell? I think they're literally last week. Or you know, it's crazy. And they've got no idea about this. So when, when they do have a developer that goes to them and says, look, you know, we've completed the smart contracts, but we want to really you know, handle and focus on the order. These guys are like, no, we don't need to spend that much money on auditing and and they just have no idea about the risks that are associated with creating smart contracts that end up flawed. And especially when, you know, they don't have kind of faith in their own projects and how much kind of funds that will end up being locked in. So they're like, oh, you know, we don't need to spend that much and they have a smart contract that goes out. It goes wild. They're picking lots of funds locked in. And then suddenly it gets hacked. And then, you know, it's millions gone and everyone's upset. So there was just definitely any more focus on security and what. It is fascinating, but not surprising, Dan, given the size of the internet to see so much money flow into bad technically poor projects where money that people are investing and they think they're smart investing going to dumb contracts. And for what it's worth, the Kerio card contract that my friends and I released in 2017 has been audited. And so far, there seems to be no problems. Shout out to Rhett Creighton who coded the Kerio cards contract seemingly flawlessly on the first attempt way to go. Rhett, moving on, check out worldcrypto network.com. We've got new videos, more than 4,449 videos. Check them out at worldcryptonetwork.com. Issue three, Trump says that crypto regulation bills that failed to advance earlier now have the votes to move forward. And he was correct. Crypto week win Congress passes first major crypto legislation in the United States with the stablecoin act passing the genius bill, which spells out something about stablecoins in crypto week as passed and will go to the president for his signature. The bill stands for guiding and establishing national innovation for US stablecoin. I don't know what it has to Bitcoin or how it lines up with anything that anyone paid for in Bitcoin. But it's going to make the way for BlackRock, Amazon, Walmart and others to issue their own stable coins and presumably make lots of money from the fees. Additionally, the president is quote, set to open US retirement market to crypto investments. Sounds like a very good thing. Of course, the company BlackRock is expected to make most of the fees as their plans are to continue to sell retirement advice and so forth to the American people. Victoria Jones, what do you think about the pass of the genius act and the presumed opening of retirement accounts to crypto investing? Yeah, there are a lot of people who see this positively because of course the Democrats were very focused on banning crypto. My issue with it is the focus on stablecoins because although the same act banishes CBDCs, ultimately stablecoins are CBDCs by another name. You know, if you the dollar is a central bank currency and so if you've got stablecoins valued against the US dollar, okay, they can allow lots of different companies to make stablecoins but if the dollar is being manipulated and everything's being pegged against the dollar, then you've got a CBDC by another name. It's just that the programming the dollar rather than the stablecoin and who's used to say, if they allow that to go away. It sounds magnificent. You could link your stablecoin up to a government that prints money that inflates the coin. So what is stable about that coin only that it matches a dollar, not that it matches like a dollar worth of bread or a dollar worth of gold or a dollar worth of eggs or anything? Exactly. So this confusion between stablecoins and CBDCs, I mean in the same law, they've got its anti-CBDC but it's stablecoins against dollars. So you know, it's crazy. And also in one of the local chat groups that I mean has just pointed out that in the big, beautiful bill that Donald Trump has just passed, part of it is a provision for 2.5 billion in surveillance technology. So you know, who's to say, you know, this isn't a step along the way to having some kind of, you know, digital infrastructure where they're going to be able to control, you know, exactly how they manage their money. I mean, I think these people behind the scenes are very clear about their agenda and they're constantly watching to see what people respond to. So it's like we've kind of got the message out there about the fact that CBDC is a bad. So they're just, they're just kind of ducking or weaving to try and get the agenda but by another name. You know, initially it was blockchain, not Bitcoin, then it was CBDCs, then it was stablecoins. And soon everyone's going to catch on to the fact that stablecoins are CBDCs by another name. And they'll come up with another strategy. And you know, many of these things are a distraction because you know, one of the things I pointed out in New Yorker with my talk, Bitcoin and war, is, you know, what's ultimately happening behind the scenes is it's a race against time for all of the central banks to become interlinked in a network. At the moment, we've still got a number of rebels which is stopping the circle from being completely closed. And I think, you know, they've realized they can't shut down Bitcoin. But I think a lot of the things that are happening at the moment are a distraction to try and curtail how well Bitcoin is developed and how quickly it circulates as a currency in the economy because if they can hold it back long enough to then get these banks interlinked and closed the circle, then they'll have won the game. And it's, you know, not many people are talking about this. This is actually the battle that's going on. Many people assume that Bitcoin is a mathematical inevitability. And it would be if it wasn't for the fact that the banks have got this strategy that they've been building for 400 years. And they're in the 99th hour, you know, they're in the very last minutes, the last few seconds. You know, one of the hold out Swiss Syria, who's who in June finally agreed to do to they finally capitulated and they're going to make their first swift payment. And just three days later, they bombed Iran, who is another one of the central banks who's holding out from becoming part of this interlinked swift system. So, you know, that's a real danger. And the longer, you know, people can hold off with this narrative of the fact that Bitcoin is digital gold and it just needs to be held in retirement accounts. You know, all of that is keeping away this agenda. What we really need is Bitcoin circulating in the economy as a currency. And there's so, there are so many people trying to distract from the fact that that's the end goal. Because really it was when gold was taken out of circulation in the economy that the debt was really allowed to take off. Because we lost the check and balance in the everyday economy that people could see that would allow them to see when the money was being manipulated. And so that's if we want to eliminate poverty, that's what we need to get back to. But it's really hard for people to see that, you know, if you don't understand where our current monetary system comes from and exactly how we're at the 11th hour in this battle right now. So, if you want to know more about that, anyone who's watching this, I'm going to be producing the video of my talk from Mallorca on Sunday, which will be available on my YouTube channel. And you can see exactly what I'm talking about. But yeah, I mean, ultimately this is a problem. It's very nuanced. My daughter studies economics at school and she filmed the talk for me and I said to her, you learning anything like this at school and she studies economics history and mass and she was like, no, not at all. So, you know, it just goes to show how much, so much of our history is hidden from us and how worthwhile it is to understand, you know, exactly why we are at the point we're in in history and in order to really understand what the battle is right now. But yeah, so I'm not impressed by this bill, you know, you have to know what you're dealing with. I don't trust any of these politicians. The Democrats can't be trusted, the Republicans can't be trusted. You know, Bitcoin gets rid of all of them, you know, the world will be very different and we'll need new forms of regulation once Bitcoin comes in and quite frankly, I can't wait for it. We need to get there sooner rather than later. And they can check that out at satosheetspage.com or on Victoria's YouTube channel, likely of the same name. It's interesting for me how the Libertarian conference, the Bitcoin conference, the free Ross and the regulatory clarity all turned out to be like Victoria said, a way for the US dollar to stay around. Are you going to sell your oil for Bitcoin? No, sell your oil for a stable coin lead to the dollar. I'm not saying the US wins all the time, but it seems like the US wins all the time. However, like Victoria said, the Trojan horse is still out there Bitcoin as a currency that competes with the US dollar. The idea is still alive, but we now have brought to you by BlackRock what they really want as it says in this investment article from the financial times. Beyond cryptocurrencies, Trump's executive order will be helpful to the world's largest private capital groups such as Blackstone, Apollo, and BlackRock, which has pinned all that's pinned much of their future growth on investing money on behalf of ordinary retirement savers. And let's just say there's a large fork in the road and one side is what we've been talking about for over a decade. Self-custody, buy Bitcoin from an exchange, take it off the exchange and custody it yourself. It is a currency. It is global and worldwide. You do not need the old system to use the new system or what they are offering. The old system again, trust the brokers, trust the brokers who have ignored Bitcoin for 12 years and told you not to buy it. Trust the brokers who have made your family office negative percentage gains on Bitcoin. They should be the ones to hold your Bitcoin. There should be no Bitcoin as a currency should even consider it. Even if you're wealthy, just let Blackstone and Apollo and BlackRock companies side never even really heard of were obviously huge. Let them hold your Bitcoin and let them get those sweet, sweet fees. They can charge you on Bitcoin on top of the normal Bitcoin fee to send it around or the lightning network. Ignore all these technologies. Pretend it's a stock. We'll see how long this last five years, 10 years. It seems absurd. But again, it's going to take a long time for these rich people who might not necessarily have access to this information here on Friday, July 18th, 2025. But someday they might watch it and then they'll write this down hopefully. Dan Eve, what are you thinking about the idea, stable coin legislation and now invite investment, refunds and retirement funds being invested in Bitcoin and cryptocurrency, of course. Well, start quickly on the retirement funds. It's kind of a shame they've popped in it like 120k, right? Because there's going to be by the time that legislation goes through, you know, there's like we told you and we told you and we told you and told you and now they're here. Yeah, and we don't know how much the price is going to pump, but it's going to go up and it will probably come back down again. And there's going to be a lot of people that, you know, through the kind of cascade effect of by the time they actually hear about the fund and actually transfer their pensions over and stuff, they could be hitting it at the peak. And then you'll have some like a lot of really upset people who bought Bitcoin at the periodic all-time high. And even though it's a pension and it's long term, etc, they might not have the foresight to to be like, you know, I'm going to rock with this until until until I actually retire. They'll end up setting out of those those funds that are tracking Bitcoin and Bitcoin will have it's inevitable little little slump after it hits an all-time high in sale, October or I'm not I'm predicting that, but like kind of, you know, based on previous patterns. And then they're going to be all upset about Bitcoin and hate on it again. And then they probably won't buy it when it goes a lot lower. And so I just think it's it's always it's always like right at the bad time that people actually start to move on Bitcoin and we start to get legislation on Bitcoin and companies start to move and be open on Bitcoin. It's the point where the price is absolutely caining it and it's talked about. And so then they make the legislation, then they ease the the rate of the railroads and and yeah, you know, the the trains end up crashing a bit because people people aren't used to those massive dumps right. We've seen it before. We've been here since like, you know, we get 80% drops in it in the matter of days and it's nothing. It's skin off for, you know, skin off a ducts back water off a ducts back whatever. But for for people that have put their little like their pensions in it, if they if they buy the top, they're going to be really upset when it when it does drop and let's just hope that they they huddle their pension. And for the other thing, the one thing that was about interesting about the I'd like the anti-CDC thing about the CBDC thing about the the the the bill. But it does like the way I'm kind of interpreting it and I've asked, I'm not allowing them. I'm going to use a bit of AI to interpret it because I can't read these bills, you know, they're but it does kind of seem that although Congress is is kind of the ethics clause in their covers Congress, it doesn't quite cover Trump and his family from from like world liberty financial stuff and that sort of thing. So that's kind of that could be seen as a negative and you know, we obviously got names like Elizabeth Warren, Glesson, American Indian socks. I'm sorry, I'm joking. But you know, she's obviously not too happy about it. And she's and quite rightly because the clause they shouldn't be clauses that cover certain everyone should be like everyone should be abide by the law in the same way. And it does seem like there's a kind of a bit of a loophole there for for for for for for for for for the Trump Trump family. So let's just hope there's no more kind of meme coins that that that tank and lose people money and suck money out of poor pump.fun people again. Well, I'll just watch out for the pump top fund. Make sure that you don't make a list. There shouldn't be any lists of pumped up fun tokens that you should or should not invest in or any lists at all. There are no lists. All right, we're running out of time. I just want to again say a shout out to Mallorca block chain days. We all had a great time there shout out to Chris and Andre and Alicia and Mike and the rest of the organizers and everybody who worked hard and probably lost money to set that thing up. If you want to go next year, it's a great time. We stay at a hotel right by the water. Super fun. Have some speeches. Talk about Bitcoin. Good times. But Dan Eve, do you have a story of the week or a prediction? Go ahead. I'm going to say my story of the week was that I kind of made it a bit of a surprise that I was going. So I didn't I didn't although I did a more of a talk this time than like it was a talk under kind of set where I was singing and rapping and stuff and did the new song, which I was really quite happy with how how I nailed it actually because it's a lot of it's a lot of words in a short space of time. And I don't have to take a lot of deep breaths. So I was really happy with it. But I kind of try to do a different kind of mix up where it wasn't just like going on stage and just talking. I try to give like my story about how how sometimes in life, you know, you get defeated by stuff and bear markets are obviously something that really does defeat us sometimes. So we're obviously in a ball market right now. But if you've been in anything from, you know, 21 onwards, though, that there are dark times, right, when Bitcoin went down to what 15K in 2023, right? So I kind of try to give a bit of a fun spin on it and how I got into Bitcoin and how I end up having to sell it. I lost, you know, lost a bunch because of the 2014 bear market. And then I got mugged as well at the end of it. I lost a bunch of teeth. And then I kept on going. And the message is just keep fucking going. Like and that's it. Just whatever happens. And I ended up going to Glastonbury and didn't have any teeth because I couldn't afford a denture because I'd lost it in the bear market and bought a house and stuff. So I made my own teeth out of clay and I had a kill out of strong bow cans. And I made my teeth. And I just said to myself, keep fucking going. And if you lose your money on silly meme coins, just keep fucking going. Oh, yeah, so I don't have the spare. I've probably swore a few times already. So I'm sure it's okay. It's just once more. But that was my thing. And so yeah, I'm actually going to try and re-record them in good quality because somewhere in between now and like in between when I made the last song and like whenever 2017, 2018, I forgot how to like record music. So it's all really, really bad quality. So I will try and like do the reading of the songs again and kind of make them a bit better this time with in terms of sound quality because the last ones are Pauling sound quality is just like in the background. So, um, but yeah, we all have blockchain days. Check it out. And then if you can get to the UK, there's going to be an incredible bitfest that's going to be starting up in November, which is a kind of replacement for coinfest that was around a few years ago. So it's this the same organiser, crypto base group and enough ending from powwow. So, um, so get a bit bitfest in Manchester in November because it's going to be a pretty cool conference. I also think that mad bitcoins, aka Thomas Hunt will be emceeing bitfest. November 21st through 23rd in Manchester, UK. So check that out at bitfest. I don't know the website, but just google it 2025. Let's go do a Victoria Jones. Maybe some more about the network of blockchain days and a prediction or a story of the week go ahead. Yes, well my story of the week again is, you know, my next newsletter, which will be published on Sunday will be the video of my talk because obviously it takes a while to get that prepared and produced. And fortunately, I had my daughter at the conference who recorded it for me, so I've managed to put it together with my slides, which will be published on Sunday. So yeah, that's my fourth coming news. And yeah, I can't speak highly enough of me or could blockchain days. It was great and it was really nice to see everybody. Your good selves included. And I'll be speaking at bitfest in November as well. Yes, very good. I think Dan will be there as well. Yeah, and hopefully Benark. I'm sure he'll be there. So now we just need to convince Josh to fly over all the way from Australia. So we got a task ahead of us. That's all we need. Peace the cake. And apology that we didn't get a chance to do a live Bitcoin group at Mallorca blockchain days this year. We were just very busy. I think Victoria kind of came late. We didn't know if Dan was coming. Just didn't line up. Also shout out to Vlad. He had a great comic book. Check out his Bitcoin takeover podcast and Vlad made a great comic book about how finny and some other early Bitcoin pioneers. I got me a copy at Mallorca blockchain days. Shout out to them as well. Thanks to everybody for joining us in the chat. I know we're a little early today. We're over in Barcelona trying to do this on a UK and Euro time. Be sure to give us a thumbs up down below. Push subscribe. I also lost my voice. So this is what I've got left. But until next time, thanks for joining us. Bye. Bye.