The Bitcoin Group, the American Original. For over the last 10 seconds, the sharpest Satoshi's, the best Bitcoin's, the hardest cryptocurrency talk. We'd like to welcome our panelists. And Eve, the crypto raptor. Ritzes and salutations. Josh Shigala from Voltoro. In the future, you earn Bitcoin and you'll be happy. Oscar Giza from the Unchain Convention. Such a pleasure for the offline memes. And I'm Thomas Hunt from the World Crypto Network. Moving on to issue one, issue one Bitcoin plunge erases $100 billion in 24 hours. Here's how long the blood bath could last. As well as Bitcoin could plunge 90% into a winter. Lasting years after another surge, crypto exchange founder says, suddenly the news in Bitcoin has gotten dark. It was only weeks ago people were telling me that the price of Bitcoin would go up forever. And now suddenly, Bobby Lee is saying that it might go to 300K and then down 90% as well as Forbes telling us about a blood bath. Dan Eve, are the good times over? Is the price of Bitcoin going to go down? Well, you just got to look at the current price now at like 52K. Even if it was 45K. It's 45K. And at Christmas, December last year and December, it was 25, something like that. So it's come a long way. And I saw a stat the other day. I can't credit it, but credit goes to whoever ever said it. I can't remember who it was. They said something like 95% of people who bought Bitcoin are in profit right now. Because of the fact that the less people seem to hold. And the price just, it always seems to hit another all-time high, whether it's a couple of months or four years, you're going to get another all-time high. There's always going to be the doom and gloom articles. And you can sensationalize and say $100 billion in 24 hours. But it recoupes it relatively quick after. And yeah, we're already back up to, I mean, I don't know now, it's something like 54. Something like that. There's a 54-154. There you go. So I think we've got to praise the good times. And we're in good times despite a bit of red. You could be one of the first 100 to hit the thumbs up button. Josh Shigala. I always laugh at these sort of ridiculous statements. Because how's anybody meant to know anything? You have the whole world crumbling around us in terms of this ridiculous fast that we're living through an overreaction. But then on top of that, you've got so many people are defaulting on their loans. And so many people are defaulting on their rental payments, on their shops. Shops are closing down like crazy. And that means banking could have a crisis very easily. I mean, I'm surprised that they haven't already. And where are safe havens? Safe havens are in rare assets, land, in Bitcoin, in Boolean, in forestry, in things that people need. This notion that Bitcoin could plunge right now, I think is a little bit ridiculous. I definitely think that it could stick around around this price point or go up and down. But at the end of the day, it's also stupid to make predictions in this space. Because you never know. Some country just bans it all of a sudden and then it goes down. And then sometimes it goes up. So it's so hard to know. And these sorts of people that are writing these articles should be very, very wary of themselves. Because they're the sorts of people that I've had friends listen to and then miss out. And they've fallen into depressions. And it goes the other way too. They're the same sorts of people that keep going like, it's going to buy everybody by right when it's at the top. And then people listen to them by and get fully wrecked when it goes down. So yeah, I tend to look at the fundamentals, look at what's happening in the world and think, is my money safer in the bank? Is it safer in some gold or silver? Is it safer in Bitcoin? And then you can make your mind up on that. As Adam Meister says, pound that like button, Oscar Geaser. Yeah, what to say? What to say? If they're writing like, it could go down. Normally we see that they're saying, yeah, it goes down. It goes down. It's a worse crisis. So if they're talking about Texas, everything is fine. Just nice, no signal. What to say? It's always the same. And now moving on to the exit question. Exit question, will the price of Bitcoin be higher or lower this time next week? Dan Eve. Okay, so I'm like three weeks wrong now, because I went like 65, 75, and then pulled it back instead like 65. Now I still think we have a chance of having a little bumpy rub. So I'm going to say 65 again. Screw on there, 65. Josh, Shigala, higher or lower? Yeah, I've been looking at all the technicals and I did the new show yesterday where I showcased what I think is going to happen the next couple of days. Of course, I could be wrong and everything is exactly what I said. But it's about just percentages and chances. It's not about yes or no, but I think we have about a 35.832 percent chance of it going higher. It's very exact. Oscar, your prediction higher or lower? Higher, of course, yeah, since since since I think we've already seen the maximum of a possible correction. If I see like mainstream outside, everyone is looking for its chance to to stack new sets. That is like the noise I hear from the street. And yeah. Now the magical Bitcoin predictor ball. Will the price of Bitcoin be higher this time next week? It'll be very specific. Outlook good. Outlook good. The ball has spoken. Moving on to issue two. Issue two, you could buy a Tesla with Bitcoin in the US. Yes, Tesla has done what they said they would do. And more, you can buy a Bitcoin with Tesla. They'll accept it via so called open source software. I assume BTC pay server, but I haven't looked into it. And according to Elon Musk, Tesla will hold your Bitcoin. So this isn't like bit pay back in the day where they're just creating sell pressure on Bitcoin. They're actually interested in taking Bitcoin from you in exchange for a car. A very nice car. Josh Shagallis should people be trading their Bitcoin for Tesla's? Or is this Elon Musk's clever scheme to get people to give him Bitcoin? Yeah, it's really well done because this is how companies buy Bitcoin at spot price. They buy it from people for services. And this is what Bitcoin was for. And I mean, you know, originally when we all got into this game, we were, you know, saying it was for coffee. And it is with the Lightning Network. And I use it all the time with the Lightning Network. I got to say, like I just love the Lightning Network. It's really fun. But at the end of the day, it is for trading and not for converting back to Fiat. I actually bought a Tesla recently, but I bought it using the MakerDow. And I traded. So I didn't even have to sell the crypto. I just got some dye and then converted that and so it's, you know, there's lots of ways to buy a cool car. I got to keep the crypto. But if you send crypto directly to Elon, he'll also keep it. So I think it's really cool. You know, I think it's, this is the start where companies will just start keeping the Bitcoin because that way they buy it spot instead of trying to buy a massive amount of it, changing the market. Oscar, do you plan to add to Elon's crypto hoard? No, no, no, I don't think I don't, I don't imagine to join. But the funny thing about that now taking places, Skylar on Twitter, tweeted, I think one month ago, the screenshot with the implementation of the Bitcoin payment. And I retweeted that and I also got the response and it was really like, after days, somebody, I think the guys from Fullmore checked it out and tried to replicate it and they said, oh, no, it's not online now. But it just, just the screen showed that it is, it could be so easy if you just wanted. Yeah. And the only problem is the regulation or nobody just talking, yeah, like talk is cheap. And now they really did it like the way Skylar announced it one month ago and it just works, yeah. And the way I think as far as I know, he implemented that is really like an application of Bitcoin and that is great. It is amazing to see Tesla do as they said they would do Dan Eave, your thoughts on Tesla and Bitcoin. Well, it's definitely two cool packages in one. So firstly, big, huge business and actually a trillion dollar business, right? Is it still roughly a trillion dollars or wasp recently Tesla? So it's not just a small business or even just a mediocre international business. This is like a big baller. There's not only accepting Bitcoin but putting Bitcoin on the balance sheet as well. The fact that they're not selling it is awesome because it's not, as we said, not contributing to dumping pressure. And maybe this will set the standards for other people. Again, is that cascade of, oh, Elon's doing it, Tesla's doing it, there are big companies that are going to open the flood gates up for other companies to be like, right, let's take advantage of this and not fall behind. Whether other car manufacturers try and get in quick and ride that wave, that to me would be kind of a good PR thing, right? If Tesla, probably they're a huge company but I'm not sure they sell in terms of as many volume as other car manufacturers. So when it be called, they're forward suddenly going or someone in general motor is like, yeah, right, get the Bitcoin in. And then it just completely waterfalls after that and everyone jumps on it. So I think it's a good thing overall. And yeah, I did briefly look at what happened to kind of overstock, right? They still accept Bitcoin. But they don't really get talked about much, much recently. So I wonder if you want to have that sort of panning out for them whether they did sell or whether they did stock up or, yeah, I don't know. That'd be interesting. I'm not good at this, Tesla. Nicholas, but I do think since they ousted CEO Patrick Byrne, they probably panicked sold their Bitcoin and don't want to tell you or the shareholders about it. But there was that idea back in the day where overstock was holding a certain percentage of it and they were a revolutionary company because they were thinking about this. But at the same time, even they agreed like, we can't pay our suppliers with Bitcoin. You know, we sell widgets. We need to buy more widgets and we can't pay our widget man as suppliers with Bitcoin. So it was a bit of a stuck game for them there. Yeah, but I don't buy that. And this is what I've said to shop owners since day one, you are not going to get so many people walking through paying a Bitcoin. The few that you do get you keep because like, let's say you sell a widget and maybe once a year someone comes and buys one with Bitcoin, well, just deal with that. It's not like you're going to go broke. If you are, then maybe you need to look at your business model because you know, you should have some sort of buffer there. And you know, even Patrick Bern, I'm pretty sure people weren't buying that many bedsheets that the company couldn't like deal with other reserves. You know, money is fungible. I still wouldn't mind a Bitcoin refund for my wind chime. My wind chime is looking rather haggard and old and that Bitcoin would be fresh and new. So that's true. It would be fresh and new and expensive. But yes, Tesla and Bitcoin moving back to the exit question, forced prediction, personal question. We'll start off with Josh because we know the answer. Would you buy a Tesla? Would you buy a Tesla with Bitcoin? I would buy it by saving up enough to put into a smart contract and then buy it like that without selling the Bitcoin. Josh sticks with his original answer. Oscar, would you buy a Tesla? Would you buy a Tesla with Bitcoin? Oh, you're unmuted. Got it unmuted. Still muted. Uh oh. Hello. There you go. Would you buy a Tesla? Of course, of course, of course, I would do so, but not at the actual exchange rate. Yeah, something between 80, 180,100, 100,000 US dollars. I would do one like for the spiritual for the spiritual dimension. Yeah. And I would buy it. I would buy it with my own Bitcoin. I wouldn't do something that with the smart contract or like with the loan. So yeah, it would be like a donation to the ecosystem. No, it's that you'd be sending your Bitcoin to Mars. Dan Eve, would you get a Tesla? Would you get a Tesla with Bitcoin? I just can't spend anymore. I've been depressing. Looking back at silly things that I did, like I spent like half a Bitcoin of art at CoinFest or not in CoinFest at 2017. And obviously, you know, that's probably still worth roughly the same dollar value it was, but the Bitcoin's worth loads. So I think there's going to be something really appealing to product from my cold dead hands. Yeah, it seemed earlier on my personal plant. I was like, oh, yeah, save, save this one for a Tesla, save that one for the house, save this. But then there's just less and less all the time. So now it's like, maybe I would do a point one for a Tesla, but then again, it's like this, it's kind of a niche item. Like if you live near a city and you commute every day, like you need a Tesla, that's cool. You're saving gas, you have that self-driving, you're commuting every day. That all makes sense to me. But if you really don't drive that much and you've been inside the stupid pandemic for a year, like you don't exactly need a fancy electric car right now, it would be cool because it looks like a Star Trek shuttlecraft and has doors that go like this. I need doors that go like that. My current doors, they do not do that. But no, not yet, no Tesla's yet. But I do see lots of people on the internet getting Teslas and even a Aston Martin's and other things. So did you know the World Crypto Network has its own audio podcast and you can listen to audio versions of this show without the video. It's amazing new technology. Wherever podcasts are heard, Apple, Spotify, all the places. Also just today, I opened up an Instagram. We don't really have any followers, but we're going to post more pictures on there of World Crypto Network type stuff and whatever you do on Instagram. I'm told it's very popular. Issue 3, crypto firm blockchain.com rides Bitcoin Mania to a $5.2 billion valuation blockchain.com has raised $300 million in a quote unquote mega fundraising round valuing the company at $5.2 billion. Just one month ago, the company raised $120 million at a $3 billion valuation. At the same time, Bitcoin slew things start up, chain analysis doubles their valuation to $2 billion. This time with backing by Salesforce CEO Mark Banny off. Dan Eve, what's going on with these crypto companies and their valuations? They are raising tons of money. Is it worth it? It seems like they're definitely benefiting from the bull run as well. Maybe it's that in a gold rush people buy the diggers and stuff, the mining tools. Maybe in this case, the mining tools are blockchain companies. I can imagine these companies putting some money into Bitcoin and then someone into actual companies that are working on Bitcoin-based products that have longevity in a Bitcoin crash. At least there's still income coming in from whatever services that are being provided. It's a good thing that there's so much investment in the space. It's got to worry when you think about it. There's so much money now into Bitcoin snooping. How good is that snooping going to be? With that for coming in on initial or heavy regulation on say, DeFi space and NFTs and stuff, that probably gives a bit of background as to why chain analysis has so much backing at the moment because regulators around the world are going to want that control. They're going to want to monitor and see where all the money is moving. They're going to eventually kick off a bit more about coin joins and things like that. It's a sad thing for Bitcoiners to see that element of privacy slipping away. Hopefully we'll be able to mitigate that with more kind of cool stuff like coin joins and other, what's the word, incognito mode transactions. I agree Dan. We picked these two companies for a reason. They are particularly unique in this space. Just reminding everyone, still a chance to push thumbs up and be one of the first 50 people to like this show. There are 45 people watching live. So you're obviously going to be one of the first 50 people. Josh Shigala, what about the two new firms? Blockchain.com and coin analysis. They've been around forever and they were the first company to have trustless online wallets because back in the day, the online wallets were all hosted by people and they weren't encrypted and they would run off with everyone's Bitcoin. They're probably billionaires right now. But blockchain.com built the first one where it was fully encrypted on your end, on the browser end. So they couldn't do that. It was a really big, big thing back then. I'm fascinated by the fact that they raised that much because I guess it's the name, but I haven't heard them really innovate that much for a long time. And that's unfortunate because they are really innovative. I know they are. I would like to see them innovate more. Saying that, there's always the chance for any of these companies to again take a stand on lightning. Get out there and get ahead of this with the lightning thing. I don't think that the market's been cornered on lightning. A lot of these companies that maybe were on the wrong side of the scaling war and they feel bad about it. Maybe it's time to put that aside and get that new business because again, I think with blockchain.com, what we're really looking at is who's PayPal going to buy? They're not going to buy Coinbase. Blockchain.com is getting pretty big. It might be a merger. But again, what are they going to merge for? All of it. The way to buy Bitcoin is lots of ways to buy Bitcoin now. There's not lots of ways to do lightning really easy. There's not lots of other really neat new technologies that they could be serving to people. Yeah, BitPay should definitely take lightning. BitPay is, it would be such an awesome move if they did that. That would really help them massively. And again, what a comeback and no one would care. Again, if Roger wants to come back, if BitPay wants to come back, all these people, people just want you to be on the right side of the issue. They're not going to be like, oh, you were wrong before, blah, blah. No, we will completely forget that. Say nice things about BitPay. But again, like you're saying, the innovation, these old firms, they have tons of money. We know they have kind of cypherpunk people at the top, like initially. They had a reason to get into Bitcoin. I don't know what it is specifically, but they don't do anything. They're not exciting. Instead, we've got like Josh is saying, yesterday on the news, CoinKite with the block clock, they made the little thing that Jack from Twitter puts in his background. Like that could have been Coinbase, that could have been blockchain.com, even block stream, block stream, honorable mention, they make a lot of hats. That's something. It's kind of outside the box a little. Yeah, definitely. And in terms of channel, the thing with channel, it's a brilliant business because no one actually uses them, but everyone has to pay for a subscription. So if you're a Bitcoin company and you want to be regulated, you got to pay the regulators and to pay the regulators, they got to tick the boxes. And one of the boxes is, do you have a channel, a style thing? And of course, you have to say, okay, I will get and then you pay them and then you check the box and the regulators never ask for it. I'm not saying that just like that, like I've knows and I've talked to certain people and lots of people in the space and they also say the same, no one's ever checked, ever what the chain analysis stuff. So the data that chain analysis may give all these different companies is never really used at all. So I think the only way you can do stuff is like by say you get a transaction and one transaction ago, it came from the dark web. That sort of stuff's useful because you're like, okay, born done. But in terms of like the deeper stuff, it's like no one, you know, it's just a great business model because everyone has to buy it. It's forced by the state to have this stuff by pretty much every government. And I need, you know, just wouldn't really use it that often. That is an interesting idea, Josh. I hadn't thought that everyone was required to buy it. And now that I think that, I think it's a lot more likely that there'll be a chain analysis too competing with them rather than zero chain analysis is like I would like to see. Yeah, there'll be many chain analysis companies. Yeah, I mean, there's already a few, there's already a few, what's the big minor that, anyway, there's a few. Let's go to Oscar, your thoughts on blockchain.com and chain analysis. Oh, got to unmute. Yeah. I think, yeah, to keep it short, we're seeing a very interesting phenomenon here, like possibly the NFTs, both the NFT world market is in the driving seat now, at the steering wheel and companies, company evaluations like from blockchain.com and chain analysis are following. So possibly it's a change of, change of paradigm. No, but me personal being an investor from that perspective, I would prefer to speculate on rap paper. And yeah, I think that would be much more, much more fun and valuable than putting your money in a company like chain analysis. But yeah, that's up to the world outside. Yeah. And there's a good point. Oscar, the entire raise by blockchain.com of $300 million is only what, five four or five of those people pieces at $70 million. So maybe they just sold NFTs instead of raising traditional venture capital. They could have just made some really nice garbage, pal, kids or something. Yeah. And at the end, it's also only token, right? Exit question, will chain analysis continue? Should every Bitcoin programmer worth their salt be trying to make chain analysis's value go to zero? Dan Eve. Well, that sounds a bit mean when you put it like that. I mean, obviously, you know, it's there's kind of there's good reasons why you'd have it in terms of protecting people and stuff. And there's apparently the good reasons behind knowing all the money flows and stuff. But I suppose developers are already doing that with coin joins. You know, these, and other services, these are all services that are there to evade. You know, the, the, the peaky guys of chain analysis and other, you know, and governments and any other even services now, they're saying, right, if you come from a mixing service, for example, then they're not accepting the Bitcoin in some ways. So developers are working around that. And, and hopefully they continue to and the government's really what should happen is governments just go, look, screw it. You're not going to be able to kill it. You're not going to be able to control it. And you're not going to be able to do analysis because of all the ninja stuff that's coming out with hidden transactions. So let's just let the ball roll. I don't want to be mean, but if your business model is the Ministry of Information from 1984, I think you should go out of it. I think she should go out of business. Yeah. I'm going to stand on that. Josh Shigala, your thoughts on a surveillance technology in the future. You're muted now. Yeah. I mean, people, people, you know, the, the, the, the information graph that Bitcoin leaves behind it is so extraordinarily interesting that there's always going to be people building tools to make sense of the graph. The thing is they haven't got a chance in the long run because things like taproot, things like lightning network, even just stuff like decentralized exchanges and, and, and then on top of that, you've got centralized things like shapeshift that also just obfuscate, yeah, you've got some sort of control over that centralized version of what happened. But it's, it's getting to the point that they don't really have a chance in the long run. They, and this is why I laugh at regulators like, look, I, and, you know, regulators, they need to do their thing. They need to make the rules and, and stuff. I'm not, you know, bashing on them too hard, but the fact of the matter is these people don't know what they're doing. And they're going, oh, these guys follow the, the, the, they do channel analysis. And so we, we're going to force all companies to use them. The fact of the matter is they, they can barely, they can barely see what sort of information. It's, it, the blockchains already really opaque and trying to make it more transparent, sure, go for it, try. But it's heading more and more opaque. And, and there is, so if you really want to do something bad, you can hide your stuff. You, you'll only catch the odd person that bumbles the way through. The end of the day, crimes should be busted by doing good old-fashioned police work and busting the crime. And because following the money side things, side of things is, is a very new concept. It's a very new idea. It's not a new idea. It's, it's only been possible really, very, very recently with the whole networking banks. But, cash, the cash business, you know, the get back to good old-fashioned police, police work. That's how you catch the criminals. Oscar, will Bitcoin developers think of a way to turn chain analysis business cards into collectibles? Ooh, that is really a difficult question. But I would say in, in any case, we, we really need, we really need companies like chain analysis for like, yeah, for giving the governments or giving the regulatory system feeding that they are still in control, that they get the data and, uh, yeah, and, and mainly to, to burn their resources, right? So, here's a good thing for the ecosystem. It's like setting a bunch of hamsters loose. They have like a lot of spinning wheels now. So they'll take good care of the government, yes. All right, let's move on to issue four. Issue four, a good probability that the US will outlaw Bitcoin, Ray Dalio, uh, Bridgewater's associate founders, uh, joins influencers with Andy Surer and shared his thoughts that the US government will outlaw Bitcoin. Obviously, we're going to ask you guys the same question. Is Bitcoin dangerous? Do you think the government will outlaw it? And more important is that really feasible? Let's go to Oscar first. Will the government outlaw Bitcoin? Ooh, quite tough for me speaking as a German to say how, how, how, how the, how the great ledges will act tomorrow? Yeah. We still don't know if our stores are allowed to open up tomorrow. If we allow to go to supermarket, so, I'm predictable. The government and the regulators are unpredictable somehow. No, uh, no idea. Then Eve. Never. You can, you can, you can ban it, but then people are going to have like, you know, there'll be VPNs, there'll be other things that, other services that people, people used to get around it. And yeah, I just, I just can't, it's just whack them all because as soon as it's like an arms race, isn't it, but an arms race with money, and there's that kind of synergy in the fact that, you know, you print, print money in, you, you go to war. That's the same, the historical thing for people to do, but it's an arms race of technology. And it's a cat and mouse get, you know, all those, all those little sayings you can use, but as soon as you, as soon as you whack one model, then another Bitcoin model will pop up out of another hole with, with also, you know, different other coin joins and ninja tech. So, I think it can't be killed. And I think that with the, the fact that again, you know, I'm not, did you know, you can test all the time specifically, but they're a trillion dollar company that now accept Bitcoin. So, that's a huge thing. And, and that shows that, you know, this is someone that's going to the moon as well, and he knows, so he's, he's been, he's been all these different pies. And surely, if someone who's been that successful, and you know, who's kind of, if the American dream, for example, you know, you've got to be cutting that off with Bitcoin as one of these latest technology. So, I think that any country now is, is seriously considering rather than banning it, making a public statement about the uses of it in order to get ahead of the game in the latest Android. Josh Shagalla is Dan Wright. Have we flipped? Are they now ready for Bitcoin? It's tricky. I mean, last week I said all governments were probably banned eventually, but at the same time, I think about it a lot. And I think Dan's right. Like, first of all, you can't ban it, right? You can ban it on an off ramps, and that's all. You can, you can ban it, you can put people in prison if they get busted. But what are governments really think about? They want their taxes. They want their share of, share of value that's being created by citizenry that are within their geographical confines. And so, how taxation has worked for, for 99% of human existence or government existence is being through threat of force, through if we find out that you're lying, you'll go to prison. That's not automatic like it is nowadays where it's just automatically taken out of your wage. And if you don't pay it, they just reach into your bank account and take it. That's all very new. So, I think they have no choice but to say, hey, we're going to, we're going to allow this stuff because it's not just Bitcoin. You could say, ban Bitcoin. But there's this whole realm of NFTs and games, items in game items and kids trading gun skins. And this will all be tokenized. This will all be tokenized. So, on top of that, you've got this whole DeFi space, which has got millions and billions of different coins. And you know, it's this huge ecosystem. And if you ban it, people will just go into the black market and then you can't get anything. So, I'm pretty sure that they won't ban it, but they will say, if we find out that you aren't paying your due amount, then you will go to prison. And we've got chain analysis. You bet I do. As we say. I agree with the panel here, the government. They can't ban Bitcoin. It's just technologically not possible. It's like banning water. They'd have to turn off the internet. But Josh's right, they can turn off the off and on ramps. And the way I like to think of that is Bitcoin quality of life. Right now, Bitcoin quality of life is pretty good. You can buy it. You can sell it. You can trade it for some items. No one really cares. There's no real problems with it. They could make that bad, right? Coinbase is a big company, but they could make it bad for them. They could shut this down. So, I think they will. And there'll be a time where Bitcoin is kind of the underground money. It's like, oh, yeah, I only use that when I do my underground stuff. Usually, I use Fedcoin, but I got a little bit of Bitcoin on the side for my underground stuff. And again, Bitcoin doesn't care. Bitcoin just keeps making blocks being out there, not worrying about this. Fedcoin's invented. Fedcoin goes up and down. People start liking Bitcoin, not liking Bitcoin. It doesn't care. But yes, they can make your quality of life worse. So, if you like your exchanges right now, or you can easily sell a thousand for rent or whatever, if you like telling people it's easy to install the apps, they can ban the apps from the app store. They can ban the exchanges from using your bank accounts. They can do all these things. And I think they will do all these things. Or it'll be too late. And they'll be the, they'll adopt the nice strategy that Stan is suggesting. But again, I don't know. Are they that smart? I don't know if they're smart enough to hold back and lose control like that. But I think that will completely do. They don't have to ban it. People are convenient. Corporate clients who are now going into Bitcoin, they really take care to do it in a correct formal way. So most of the people outside, we will get, we will get unborted, we're already like in the unboding process and we'll get unborted. In the future, like they are so convenient and they will so go along with the regulation that they will, by controlling the offer and on ramping, they will have like 90% of the market. And that will do it's the same with travel regulations. If you go for international travel, you don't see you don't see yourself controlled and the way they say it in the media. So it's okay, are they controlled in 90% of the people who don't go for travel anymore? Yeah, but you can do it. And the people like your fellowship here that is familiar with the technology and with the software and the design of Bitcoin, they will always have a way to go the other way. And so it's a coexistence and it's okay. Why not? That's what Andreas always said. He said we would hide our transactions in cat pictures. And that's what Josh was kind of looting to with NFTs, but then the NFTs were even more complicated because you could hide a Bitcoin transaction in an NFT, in an item, in an item, in an item. So there's all kinds of options there. But instead of asking the traditional question, can the government buy ban Bitcoin? Because we always say, no, they'd have to turn off the internet or they could just turn off the often on and on wraps, right? They could make your life really miserable and uncomfortable. More importantly, now that we have new friends, does this put a new layer between the government banning Bitcoin? Because they'd have to have a hearing and they'd have to say Michael, sailor, Elon Musk and Jack from Twitter, your big Bitcoiners, obviously, would they speak up for us? Wouldn't make a difference. Dan Eave, now that Bitcoin has powerful friends. Yeah, I think so. And if the balance sheets of those companies at the time are doing okay, because of their Bitcoin holdings, the government ultimately wants money and money at once power and money gives them power. And going back to that insane article from 2017, which is like, all those big coiners getting heralairiously rich, but you're not. That's with the Christmas Bitcoin jumpers, whatever. Bitcoin obviously makes a lot of people wealthy. And so why would you restrict your nation's ability to get wealthy and for the government to get wealthy off of the nation? You should be almost, no, I'm not encouraging it. But you know, there should be a leniency because if this is bringing money into the country, then it will also make money leave the country if you were to ban it. You know, those services will go away. They will go to other countries. Unless there was a, you know, global ubiquitous slam down in which case, I don't know, I'd love to see that the Wacomola in that case and how big that Wacomolte arm's Wacomola would need to be. But it ultimately still wouldn't work because they'd have to turn the last computer off. What Dan said, I had almost like a lightning bolt at the beginning of that conversation. We're all picturing Elon and Jack and Sailor walking in as successful CEO, CEOs that invested their company's money wisely and did well. There's a whole alternate universe there where the Bitcoin price goes down and they're not ready for it. And it's raining outside and they're thunder and they're like, we have ruined our companies, but we're still here to stand for Bitcoin. And then it's like, do they have any credibility if they've ruined their companies? Josh Shigala, do they have to be successful to be good warriors for Bitcoin? This is a good film. I want to see both sides of this. Yeah, sliding doors style. Now, you took the words right out of my mouth. It's exactly where I was going. The thing is right now, although CEOs are sitting in a good times, it's when you're going through a bear market, it's when you're down 90%, 80% and you're thinking, oh man, I have to pay rent now and all my money is in crypto or 10% of it is if you're a big holder, whatever. In those times where you really have to ask yourselves what happened. And now, picture this, the economy is crashing. The more gauges are getting defaulted on whatever else, Bitcoin's in a bear market because it's crashing along with the major stock markets. And because they're tired of the stocks now of these major companies and it's just in one of those. But maybe the timing was just right that the bears came along at the same time. Sentiments down. People want to find the bottom. They're not buying till it's the bottom. And now, the whole, the government's like, we've got to do something. We've got to do massive economic reform. First stop, stop that Bitcoin. Just stop that, stop that, stop that. And Elon hasn't got us foot to stand on because he's down massively from his Bitcoin investing. I mean, Michael Sailor's just now a joke because his company was losing money before Bitcoin. The only reason it's up is because of Bitcoin. Let's say the Bitcoin's down. He's now also struggling to find a good answer. And so governments can really, and then if you use the media to really destroy the Bitcoin and say that some terrorist used it or something like that or it's being used for nefarious purposes, they're just the same old stuff that's always been done. You could quite easily ban Bitcoin. And you won't have those powerful friends. That's for sure. Yeah, it'll be interesting to see what happens. You know, with the pitch for it, Josh, I can see them banging their this immoral gambling, this Bitcoin, it's seduced our youth. Are you've got the NFTs and they started gambling on leverage trading and blah, blah, blah, blah, all this stuff. And we must protect the children from the Bitcoin. Exactly. Protect the children from the Bitcoin. Ask her what about you. Protect the children. Which side will it go? I have to tell you, the last stories, the grandmas starting to stack sets for their smaller ones. That is quite interesting. We have to grandmas approve our technology now. It's going to be tough. And to educate them, it's not so tricky. Like you could imagine. If they really want, they can really work well with the treasure. And grandmas on tour finding their ways around networks. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They're more smart than the regulators to consider. But like to your to your initial question, I think like one really one when when when you value of Bitcoin that emerged now more and more is like the Dow marketing department department. And and the guys who know are on boarding like like like my good sailor and and and and it must like they're they're really like they're the storyteller of today. Yeah. And whatever the regulators want to want to deliver to the to the recipients like what kind of information it's really hard like because like take Dorsey is controlling one of the most powerful social media platforms. And and and Elon Musk like this is is also is also like the shooting star of of general interest media. So it's the prize. If we see that as a prize, the prize for for working or for for claiming the narrative has risen enormous from my point of view. It's interesting. I feel like we've gone full circle here where you know Michael sailor, he's an investment company. They're all in the Bitcoin. There's not much more they could do. Elon, he's a car company to talk about Tesla. They accept Bitcoin for their cars now. You know, they're in. That's pretty much what they can do to look at the third one at Jack and to say I feel like we're going back to our past here. Twitter Bitcoin tipping could be the most important thing. This could be the tipping point. And as much as we were critical of change tip back in the day and all that an integrated Bitcoin tipping system would tie Twitter as Oscar said this major communications tool to Bitcoin. And it would tie it where they'd become interchangeable. And you'd be like, Oh, yeah, I was on Twitter and I sent a tip and I got a tip and I cashed out some bits and some Bitcoin and people could learn all kinds of things from this. This could be much bigger than cash app, much bigger than square because it really does tie his fortunes together in a way that Zuckerberg clearly didn't want to do on Facebook. Facebook went to a lot of trouble to invent some other coin that wasn't Bitcoin and they changed the name two or three times and I forgot it now. So I don't remember what it was, but it's still going to come out. Meanwhile, Jack, who could have done that at Twitter, they could have said, we're going to make Twitter coin or whatever and something. No, no, he sticks with Bitcoin. So I think it's going to be interesting. One to watch. I really hope he does something like that enough. I've wondered why he hasn't why, you know, at least release it to a small group on Twitter, like, like he has his basis. I think so slow. Like we know, you know, obviously we know and other people can know that, you know, change tip met, met with Twitter back in the day. They were in San Francisco. They went to the offices they met with, I don't know Jack, but some people at the top, they knew that Bitcoin tipping was happening. It was a little spami. I think the way it was integrated, but if you were inside of Twitter, you could make it much less spammy and you could do it and sure it raises all the same problems. I think Facebook was running into with Libra. I remembered one of their names and, you know, if you start sending money around you're a money transmitter and the money laundering and all the problems that we talked about earlier, but still Twitter, I don't know, Twitter needs to do it. I feel it's this one social network to conquer them all. I feel like the way I did when I was using spaces the last week, like they're going after clubhouse when I see the little fleets at the top of the screen, they're going after Snapchat, Instagram already stole everything from Snapchat, like their Twitter is kind of like Instagram too. They could be the one. Yeah, but it becomes so overzealous that they would probably be forced to take KYC on everyone and then they'll say, oh, that also stops the scammers. So, you know, and then they'll just button on down to really KYC, the heck out of everyone user. And then you get voice who went nowhere because they wanted to KYC everyone to become a member of their social networks. I think that's what's probably holding Jack back is that as soon as you start dealing with actual assets that people think is valuable. But that to me also says that government see this as currency, as money. And much as we love Jack and Twitter, let's not forget the Twitter API. Twitter used to be a much more open platform and you could build a third party tool and you could interact with Twitter and everyone lauded them for it and said how great it was. And then of course, Twitter predictively clawed back the API, killed all of the independent third party tools and they could do this again. They could be Bitcoin's best pal today. They could mint their own coin tomorrow. It could be a lot easier to run Twitter tips on a SQL database. I imagine that's what the tech department saying right now anyway. But it's definitely one to watch and I still think as far as Twitter, you know, one network to rule them all. I'm trying not to use Instagram. I'm just putting pictures on Twitter. I don't have to use Clubhouse anymore. I can use Twitter spaces and have audio chats. I get all my little news things that used to be a Facebook thing. All they need is a way to have friends and share photos and we can all quit Facebook and just use Twitter. But again, it's the same thing. It's just another just another master. Internet didn't free you from anything because of the way they built the architecture based upon advertising and startup funds that were given to people that would sell you out to advertisers. But no one wants to talk about that. Moving on to issue five. Bitcoin rally stirs Bank of America alarm on enormous surge in energy use. And we talk about energy use all the time. We know this is a red herring. This is nothing to worry about for Bitcoin. Even today, a company called Argo blockchain launched a hydro power only. Yes, a renewable Bitcoin pool where Bitcoin can be generated shock from clean hydro power. Many cases, it's difficult to have batteries which are expensive near hydro dams and transmitting power over great distances. You lose power. So instead, you could store that power in Bitcoin right there at the dam. A hydro energy never stops. It runs all the time. So it's really sensible. We understand what's happening there. But what I think is what's important about this article is that it's Bank of America, a competitor to Bitcoin who is warning you about the enormous use of energy in Bitcoin. So Dan Eve, the banks are warning us that a competitor uses too much energy. Should we be greatly concerned? Well, I'd just like to point out that actually Bank of America were in the top four of the top banking companies that invested 3.8 trillion into fossil fuels over the last since way, since 2015. So that's a lot of money that's going into fossil fuel usage. So for for BAM to sit there and be like, oh Bitcoin, BAM BAM BAM. It was there literally in the background like plugging away fossil fuels. It's a bit hypocritical really. And obviously, you know, point out it's a competitor. They're not going to, they're sitting there, crapping themselves because they're making so much money out of remittance. And let's face it, banks dominate the money laundering markets. They absolutely smash money laundering. They get fined all the time and there's so much so many fines. It's only because Bitcoin's shot up that we no longer have the comparisons of like, oh, you know, HSBC, laundered five times the amount of the whole Bitcoin market cap last year or whatever. We don't have those stories anymore because Bitcoin's grown so much. But what we do have now is just the, you know, the eco fund. And that's basically it. And I think it's really good to see companies that are taking advantage of it or taking advantage. But, you know, pointing out where they're being green and using excess energy, you know, the things that we, they're sorry, technology that we have to store excess energy from wind power and whatever. It isn't fantastic. You know, there's all sorts of crazy things from gravitational batteries where they lift a huge weight up in the air during excess energy. And then it just slowly, like drops back down and grind some gears and whatever. Or pumping water up here, you know, really abstract on things where like, let's just pump the water up here with the energy while it's here. And then we let it flow back down again, again, into another reservoir. So yeah, I think whilst they're struggling to find ways of storing this energy, the most logical thing for stop is to use excess energy from renewables. And that's again, a lot of research is showing that Bitcoin is centered around excess energy from renewables because it goes cheap. Otherwise, it goes to waste. If you can't use the electricity, if you can't send it miles across the land and and there aren't homes using it, then you might as well have something there using it and not wasting the electricity. So if anything, Bitcoin is like an electricity wasting sponge that turns it into something valuable. So yeah, I think it's, I think it's going to, you know, spur on a lot more innovation into green tech than than with, you know, we're hearing. Hopefully that's going to, that's going to, you know, counter a lot of these arguments with, you know, a boatload of evidence soon. At the moment, you've got kind of sporadic projects that are doing things and it's not so mainstream, that information, but the more companies that do it and, you know, put their, you know, put their green badge on, then yeah, I think it's going to be easier to combat that, that eco, eco sadness. Well, I agree with Dan, when I think of environmentalism, I think of Bank of America, Josh Shigala. Yeah, I mean, we've covered this topic so often on the show. It really is ridiculous. And I don't know what else to say about it that, when, when you're trying to, my, when you're trying to find the answer to a difficult puzzle and it's going to cost you a lot of money in power, you try to find the cheapest power you can and the cheapest power you can is in the renewable sector. It really is. When there's, when there's heat coming out of the earth and you can capture it, when there's water running down a river and you can capture it, it's just constant on, when there's waves moving up and down and when you have excess power at nighttime, you've got to do something with it. And if you can mind some Bitcoin and there's countless stories of energy companies mining Bitcoin at nighttime, sorry, during the day and sometimes at nighttime too, where there's excess power. And so it's just, it's just one of these things where Bank of America, I don't know, it's just one report. I don't know if they've actually seen Bitcoin as some sort of threat or whatever, but usually banks are cleverer than that. They would see something that's investable and buy into it. I just think it's this typical talking point from people that like to bring this topic up at Noorsium and look, Elon Musk's entire world, the thing that gets him to work so freaking hard apparently is that he wants to save the world and from fossil fuels. That's his thing. Yet he's now buying Bitcoin. So what does that say? He's not a dumb guy, right? He's thinking about it and he comes to the same conclusion that we come to every second show when we talk about this, is that they, you know, the best way to mine Bitcoin is with almost free energy, not free. I mean, obviously there's no such thing, but energy that's in excess. Well, I definitely think we cover it a lot, Josh, but I think it's because it's important and it's because Bank of America is using propaganda. And the only way to counter propaganda is to use more propaganda. So that's all we can really do is say again that yes, PlayStation's video game systems that are on, but not really on, they use more power than Bitcoin, Christmas lights use more power than Bitcoin. And most importantly, it's just this kind of general fallacy where it's very easy to estimate Bitcoin's energy usage. It's like if you had a little meter and one thing has a meter and you could say, wow, Bitcoin's using 110 today. And the other thing with the banks, they're also using energy, but you have to add up all these different things and do all this work to figure out, you know, how much does a person in an office cost, how much does an office building cost, how much does terrible investment strategies that hurt the world and hurt people and other things like that cost, you have to add all that up to get the number. And it's so hard. Like you work on the drive from ATM machine to ATM machine trucks, ATM machines, the armored cars, the cost of printing the paper in the office, all these things are waste products of the bank, but you'd have to write a dissertation to get that knowledge. Whereas Bitcoin, you just look at the number and you're like, oh, it's at 120, that's more, there's so much more. And banks are also using power. Oscar, your thoughts on this? Yeah, it's difficult. We don't have to write dissertations anymore. Since whoever wants to believe Bitcoin is a bad thing will do so also in the future. And it will find thousands more, thousands more of arguments like this one. And I'm totally, totally down with with the author's statement, Yoshal. It has really become disgusting. These days like puttry of attack and in my perception, there was a time when it was a serious issue, we had to talk about and publish things. But nowadays all explanations are there. As long as Google doesn't de-platform these information, what likely can happen one day, there's nothing more to say about that. But just like there is no cost to hire for healing this rotten toxic fiat system. Point. Yeah. Point, good point. Well said. Yeah, and I didn't mean that we cover it too much, Thomas. I think it's a very important topic to keep on talking about. Absolutely. I'm just, it's just sad to see this constantly being trumped up, constantly being brought up. But it is what it is. Like Oscar said. That's why I think you're going to love our exit question. What is your favorite Bitcoin FUD from the past that you hope they'll bring back soon? Bitcoin is a Ponzi scheme. Bitcoin is two lips. Bitcoin is similar to another project like BitConnect or one coin. Dan Eve, what's your favorite Bitcoin FUD? You'd like to see them bring back soon. Bitcoin is a rich man's dogecoin. No, I kind of like it all because it's all so ridiculous. When I first heard about it in 2013, it was, and obviously that's done even earlier, it just clicked for me. It made sense. Bitcoin did. I've kind of bad these things off. The only thing back in the day, I thought was, well, maybe the China FUD, the China FUD was quite a fun thing. It was like a roller coaster. As soon as you play the market, as soon as China came out of something, the short Bitcoin make money happy days. But ultimately, you've got your shield and Bitcoin is going to bash it off, and there's no problem. It's just going to be a bit of FUD. I'll go for China FUD. Because I liked all the memes. There were loads of funny memes. All the bit of leading up to a Bitcoin ETF, it was always like, oh, oh, no. Slown. No ETF. I like those days. I like the big one. The crowd goes, whoa, for something. Then it doesn't end up happening. All of these issues that are brought up, they're brought up at Nazim, and they're also back away at Nazim. That's the good thing is that the resilience of Bitcoin, it's going, you know, for 12 years, 12 years now, you know, it's like a, it's a 99.99% uptime. It's not going anywhere. So yeah, I think it's going to take some sort of insane meteoric event, like, you know, wiping out all humans before Bitcoin actually dies. So I welcome any fund. But China FUD was the most fun to me. I like the China FUD and the ETF FUD. They both feel like Charlie Brown and Lucy with the football. She just keeps pulling it back and pulling it back. And at any of this point, I'm like, I don't care about your ETF for your China FUD. You can't fool me anymore. No more pulling back the football. Josh Legala, what's your favorite Bitcoin FUD? My favorite Bitcoin FUD has got to be when an exchange gets hacked. And the headline is Bitcoin gets hacked. That's the best one. He's just like, oh, God, I want to see more of that again. No, just the fact that that stopped actually shows that the market's maturing, that people actually know what's going on now, because that was actually what spawned me to start Boltoire back when Mt. Cox got hacked. And I just got over, I was just like, it was one of the reasons I've, one of the reasons for this man, I got to be an expert like, I, I, hearing this whole, I'm just so sick of them coming up with nonsense like Bitcoin has been hacked. It's like, no, we've got to make a transparent and show, show that, you know, Bitcoin can't be hacked. Honorable mention there has to be when they refer to someone as Bitcoin CEO. And the sad part about that, I don't want to be flippant, but for years there, the major story was Bitcoin CEO committed suicide. And it's hard to come back from that. It's hard to be like, well, that's not true, but the other half is true. And it's sad, but it's complex situations and whatever. But yeah, Bitcoin CEO does something is also founded or whatever. Yeah, like in a drug den or a criminal thing. And it's always like, damn that Bitcoin CEO, he's like that Florida man. He's always in trouble like, Florida man, Bitcoin CEO. Oscar, what's your favorite Bitcoin food? My favorite coin fatter is something like Bitcoin is only for right wing people. Yeah, it's the same like and knowing back into the NFT business like Rare Pepe. Yeah, Rare Pepe is also like right wing propaganda and talking as a conference, talking as a conference organizer in our very first year, it was our fault that we invited politicians. And especially the more that was my first price in that in the deeper system that so-called left wings or social politicians avoided to discuss the topic. So it was not possible to get the war range of politicians. And there was one major technical magazine in Germany, T3N. And they covered that. And that was my first real shit storm. That was really tough. And I remember like the article started with not all big corners are right wing, but yeah, and yeah, that is really, that is, but today it's nice. Yeah, since that narrative is also already so consumed that that become laughable that yeah, and that we have grown these days. Yeah. Well, I would definitely add to that the Bitcoiners only eat meat or a Bitcoiners don't eat meat or any of these things where they're just like, oh, Bitcoiners are all white or they're all black or whatever. It's like it's a mix of people in Bitcoin, not one group represents them. It's nice to say that they're all nerds or they're all libertarians or whatever, but we're really big. The Bitcoin is really big now. And I think it's everybody. But yeah, I mean, just look at this show. You know, I'm more on the on the libertarian anarchist side. Thomas is more on the left leaning side of politics. I don't know where you sit rapidly. You probably sit there with your little tiny wrapped hands in both pies. You know, hard to hold the voting button with those. Yeah. I'm all over the place. I think my political compass is left, but people think I'm right. I mean, I don't really know. To be honest, it's all bellox to me. I don't think you can put people in camps of just like two or three groups. You know, there's this you can have unlike different opposing opinions of politics. And I think what the way the main thing that we've just said here is you do only need to go to a conference. Now, obviously back in the day, some of the conferences were quite heavily just dudes, but there's a huge amount of variety now. And it's not just Roger first like bikini girls anymore. There's actual like this. There's lots of there's lots of women into crypto. There's lots of big schemes getting more women into crypto. There's lots of schemes around the world to get everyone into into Bitcoin. And the fact of the matter is this is such a, I mean, obviously the price is a barrier to entry, but it's open source software. No one you don't need anyone's permission. There's no one who's going to the Bitcoin, who's like, you're going to put your hand on the keyboard. No, it doesn't happen like that. Anyone can just run the software and you know, start stacking sat because there's so many places you can get them for free as well. That's the other thing is even if you don't have money, all you need is a bit of a bit of hardware somewhere that you can start stacking stacking sat with by doing random tasks for Bitcoin because there's plenty of sites like that as well. So yeah, I enjoy the the diversity in Bitcoin. I don't think it it's really not one political side of things. But you know, there's lots of nice variety and that's good. I almost managed to pull up the hacker manifesto, but that's what Dan was reminding me there of the internet. Let's see, we almost got it. I can't find the right part. It's too long. Let's see. There it is. We seek after knowledge and you call us criminals. We exist without skin color, without nationality, without religious bias, and you call us criminals. You build atomic bombs, you wage wars, you murder, you cheat and lie to us and try to make it believe it's for our own good, yet we're the criminals. It seems like in a lot of ways Bitcoin really does embody those early ideas. This is from the hacker manifesto by the mentor. This was in frack years ago. But yes, he continues, I am a criminal. My crime is that of curiosity. My crime is that of judging people by what they say and think not what they look like. My crime is that of outsmarting you, something that you will probably never forgive me for. I'm a hacker and this is my manifesto. You may stop this individual, but you can't stop us all. After all, we're all alike. Just a classic little piece of internet history there. But yes, my favorite Bitcoin foot, I love the tulips. I read about it and heard about it in history class and you're going through the things and you're like, okay, the Federal Reserve, all the money's fake and it's just endlessly printed and you're like, okay, dealing with that, that's enough of a mind F, right? But then they tell you at one point in Amsterdam, tulips were so value that uniquely colored ones, very genetic, cool, you know, eugenics tulip breeding could sell for the price of entire house. And you're like, wow, and you read about the tulip mania and how it went up and down. And I just think that Bitcoin's doing a great job for history, spreading the word about tulip mania. And whenever they write an article and they compare Bitcoin, this incredibly complex internet thing that they don't understand. And they thought about the internet too. They're like, what is this internet? WWW, what's this at sign or whatever they said, the pound sign. And it's the same thing. They just don't understand the new technology. They're looking for a historical example. And I used to say this all the time on madbitt coins and stuff. I was like, there's no historical example for this. We've never switched over to a digital currency. It's going to be all these different firsts along the way. And it's going to blow people's minds because they don't have an example where they can say, oh, that's what happens when humans switch from a government controlled currency. You can print as much as you want. There is an infinite amount of cash that the federal reserve to a digital currency where it's locked in. And Satoshi's already decided 21 million is enough. So yeah, we're going to just have to live through that and then see how it turns out. It's so funny, isn't it? Because the the tulip mania truly is the fiat side of things. Fiat is the tulip mania because they can print an infinite amount of money. There's literally not, there's no end to it. So you know, there's the tulip mania. The same sort of thing happened with electric cars since the 80s, the 70s, they've been saying, oh, do you want to drive a golf cart? They're too slow. And it's just nonsense that they tell you and everyone believes it. And that's just the same with the tulip mania. It's like, it's the total opposite of what they're saying. Yeah, no, you've given you very some really good point. The whole point about tulips was that suddenly people realized that they could grow them and then everyone grew them and then the supply just kept on going up infinitely. But the whole point of Bitcoin is that there's a cap. And therefore you can't, you can't mint anymore, you can't print anymore, you can't, you know, print anymore a Bitcoin in the ground and let it grow. So it's, it's, yeah, it's the opposite of cheese. The tulip are like NFTs, really. Yeah. Someone's put something, yeah, that's something really smart about NFTs. They're like, well, with Bitcoin, it's kind of like a dollar. Like, I could trade you a dollar and you could go buy a soda, right? There are many dollars like this dollar. But the NFTs are really unique, custom dollar. And that's good, right? Because it's unique and custom, but it's also like, it doesn't fit in the soda machine. It's not compatible. Like, it's going to be a lot harder, I think, to find a buyer for that dollar, rather than for the universal dollar that fits with everything else. But go ahead, Oscar, you had more on this? No, no, no, no, that was also exactly my thought that that tulip comparison would fit better like to what we see at the moment on the NFT market. I think that would become very, very interesting since like I'm not so, so deep into it. But what I have discovered, I also with it, with its broad cards like from NBA and so on, they're really like also not only that they're like, they're printed like out of thin air. Like, they're also on, they're just circulating and gated in gated platforms. And yeah, I think that would be really interesting. What will will be debater tiers? Yeah. Yeah, I definitely think the the place to be in NFTs is to be the one making them or selling them or earning the platform. Not necessarily the one buying them. If you're buying them, you need to be buying them the way I buy things for my REM collection. Like, it has no value. I'm buying it because I like it because it's a collectible. Like, but I'm not buying it as I like, I think it's a collectible. But in the back of my head, it's going to be worth a million dollars. I'm not buying it that way. If you're buying it that way, that's where you're going to get into the troubles. And especially if you're spending rent money or something like that on an NFT collection. Like, don't spend rent money on baseball cards. They're cool, but like the baseball cards. But spend the steam each check on that. That's yours. You're a steamy check. You spend it however you want. I think we're going to move to the end of the show here. Dan, are you ready with a prediction or a story of the week? What's been going on? I, my story of me is going to be a really lame one bit of people. A warning for people. I got the MacBook M1 and I only had eight gigabytes of memory on it. I went for a bigger hard drive and thought, yes, it's all efficient in that. So just in case you're out in the market, sorry, it's not Bitcoin related. But obviously it is a big decision point, especially if you're paying Bitcoin for it. So it is Bitcoin related is get them get more memory. And that's my boring story of the week. Yeah, more memory. That's good advice. I'm also on a computer story here. I just got a great little port adapter. It adds four more USB ports to my laptop. So once again, I'm still suffering here with the Macs, but Amazon 24 hour delivery. I just ordered more ports. They just arrive. It's amazing. Josh, should go a prediction or a story of the week? I have nothing this week. I have nothing. We have a little competition running on Valtaro to choose the next ERC20, talking of tulips that's available on Valtaro. And if we choose the coin that you chose, you're going the running for 500 bucks worth of that tulip. You can get all the tulips. Oscar prediction or a story of the week. Go ahead. Got on mute though. Sorry about this. A story of the week is like we have planned to open up our gastronomic business next week. But nowadays you can plan with nothing. And I just saw like a paper hanging in another store that said like, hey, guys, we don't know when we will open again. Please call the government. Yeah, possibly they can tell you we don't know nothing anymore. Yeah. And that is also when we come back like to the HTTP or the manifesto, I remember, yeah, that is like, I'm blessed uncertainty that was one conclusion from from one talk. And yeah, exactly here we are. Yeah, we haven't planned that event. But now we are right into the into the biggest science fiction we could ever imagine. Yeah. And this is great. What a time to be alive and Bitcoin. Yeah. What the story of the week again should be like, what would we be without Bitcoin? Yeah. Where should we take our positive energy or believe so whatever like, but if not from the network, from the network money now, yeah. If you see all the people outside, well, tough. Well, that's why I was so glad to get in a Bitcoin back in the day before I was into like kind of negative things where I just disagreed with things or thought that people were doing bad things and you'd be critical of them with Bitcoin, you could be positive about something. You could be like, Bitcoin is a good thing. You can get into it. You can try it out. You can send it around. You can do things with it. It's it's more of a system than like a against thing. But yeah, I agree with you with the inability to plan. I've really felt that for the last year, I haven't planned on going any trips. I haven't been able to schedule things. I'm not good at like self motivating myself without external things and deadlines and all the deadlines. Well, wait. So, but it is starting to turn around. They've got a hundred to 200 million vaccinated in the US. And hopefully this is going to control the virus. And then if the virus gets controlled, then we open everything up and go back to normal. So then we can start planning things and going to conferences. So I think we're getting there's a little light out there. There's three, maybe four vaccines and we can go up and down on the vaccines. But again, science is trying to fix this. Science is trying to fight the virus. Let's go science team humans. That's what I'd say. But yeah, we'll have to see. Pretty soon, we can start planning going into conferences again, I think, which would be nice. Everyone check out shop.worldcryptoneatwork.com. We've got all kinds of shirts. And when you buy them, it benefits the network. It sends like five or 10 bucks our way. So check out the HAL Finney mug and the Trezzers don't float 2.0. These are both designed by Fneep. And they're pretty cool. So I'll be sure to give us a thumbs up and a share. We've watched the Bitcoin group today. We've also got today in Bitcoin. We've been doing daily news shows. So be sure to check those out like Josh said. He joined us the other day. And we did some charts on the news. So we're going to do more of that in the future. And we're working on lots of other shows and neat ways to entertain you and talk about Bitcoin. So thanks so much for joining us. Until next time. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye.