The Bitcoin Group. The American Original. For over the last 10 seconds, the sharpest Satoshi's, the best Bitcoin's, the hardest cryptocurrency talk. We'd like to welcome our panelists, Dan Eave, the crypto raptor. The Bitcoin Group. Martin Wismer from General Bites. What's up guys? Josh Shigala from Valtoro. Got to unmute yourself. Oh God, bring it on. All right, moving on to issue one issue one. Oh, we need to do this one more time. Issue one, Morgan Stanley becomes the first big US bank to offer its wealthy clients access to Bitcoin funds. The investment bank told its financial advisors Wednesday in an internal memo that it is launching access to three funds that enable the ownership of Bitcoin. Two of the funds on offer are from Galaxy Digital, a crypto firm founded by Mike Novogratz, while a third is a joint effort from asset manager FS investments and Bitcoin company NYDIG. Morgan Stanley is only allowing its wealthier clients access to Bitcoin, the volatile asset. The bank considers it suitable for people with an aggressive risk tolerance who have at least $2 million in assets held by the firm. asset firms need at least $5 million at the bank to qualify for the new stakes. Dan Eve, will you be buying Bitcoin on Morgan Stanley? Oh, I don't think I'm quite at the level to meet their criteria for the clientele. I can kind of see why they've been a bit resistant. Obviously, with the huge gains comes huge losses and obviously investors are always attracted to the huge gains. Then the huge losses, I think we all know that it takes a long time to lose 40% of your portfolio in a day and just be totally chill with it. Whereas if you're a big investor and you're putting your money in, they're going to be phoning up their account managers at Morgan Stanley going, someone turned the Bitcoin machine off before it goes down even further. They don't understand these things and they probably don't read up on them. They just see number go up, money go up and then they get the phone over. They've missed out, they try and jump to leap for the boat, but the boat's already left sure. Then they probably sell because they panic that it's not going to go back up and eventually it goes back up. I think I saw a stamp the other day that said it was something like 92% of people who bought Bitcoin or I don't know what the number is. They're in profit. It's insane as a figure, but Bitcoin just keeps on reaching all time highs after a long period. I think the real reason it took Morgan Stanley this long to offer Bitcoin is a staffing issue. They just didn't want to staff up for this Bitcoin thing because it goes overnight and it goes on the weekend. Basically, you had to hire a whole second round of stock brokers. You had a whole second round of telephone support people. You had to change all those messages. We're only available from nine to five. It really breaks the whole fun of being a banker, which is you don't have to work that much. You can work bankers hours. You can have bankers holidays. Bitcoin's out there just defying all that and it wrecks why you'd want to be a banker in the first place. Martin Wismer, why do you think it took Morgan Stanley so long? Any excited that they're finally offering Bitcoin to people with only five million dollars? I don't know why it took so long, but I think they eventually started selling it because their clients demanded it. They're one of the world's largest private banks. That means high net worth individuals and upwards. I recently looked at this three weeks ago. The statistics say that from the ultra high net worth, that's people with 30 million dollars of spendable income. I'm not including their houses and their cars, but really cash in a bank, ready to spend on whatever they want. Of those ultra high net worth people, which many will bank with Morgan Stanley, 1% already has cryptocurrency assets. It's more that the pressure became too big on Morgan Stanley to keep ignoring it. I think if it would be up to them, they would just play the bankers game and would totally ignore Bitcoin, but it's just their clients demanded. If they don't do it, somebody else will and they'll leave. I think that's the reason. Just as the prophecy foretold, Josh Shigala, Morgan Stanley, Bitcoin's new best friend, did we expect Michael Saler like tweets soon? Yeah, maybe. I mean, the thing is that I'm waiting for the big institution, the first big institution to be hacked because they don't know what they're heck they're doing. The thing is, I think they'll be using people that do know what they're doing, like Coinbase or something like that first. The other thing that I think about Morgan Stanley is maybe they're just too arrogant, I guess. That's the light way I can put it to realize that they don't know what they're doing in this space. They will probably try to get greedy and then they will go into factional reserve and then they'll be in a bull market and all of a sudden people will say, we're pulling out and they won't have it all there. It could actually, this sort of currency that escalates so much could actually break someone like Morgan Stanley, I believe or not, or they get hacked. We'll wait and see what happens. I really don't hope so, but I just think that some of these institutions are so arrogant that this sort of stuff happens to arrogant folk. I agree with Martino, customer demand and missing out on those sweet, sweet fees are a good reason to bring the Trojan horse within your walls. Don't just leave it outside, bring it in. Dan Eave, what bank will be next? We've already got Morgan Stanley. I think Deutsche Bank said Bitcoin was too interesting to pass up. Visa, Mastercard are partnering with Bitcoin. Is there anyone left that hasn't joined us yet? What about something like is it Mondo? One of those banks or the new kind of, obviously, Revolut does Bitcoin, but they don't do it on business, the business side actually. So maybe that will be a step forward. I'd like to see one of the heavy rates, like the UK's, like Europe's, like HSBC or Sandtown there, but they're still by the sounds of it, rumors of shutting down accounts really nearly. That's going to happen anytime soon. Unfortunately, they want to keep control of the monetary system and at the moment, they don't see integrating it as being part of that control yet. They will find out or realise that, but when it's already too out of their control to be controlling it, so it's going to be an answer. I just hope we get that bank that made the slots that were the right size for the brief cases full of money. They designed the overnight slot specifically so it fit a certain briefcase and that's how the drug mafia or whatever would give them the money. That's the kind of bankers that we need in Bitcoin. Martijn Wismer, which banker will be next? I think we'll first see the larger banks for that cater to our internet worth individuals. For example, UBS will be cool. What you, another development we're seeing in Germany versus over 600 different banks is that those banks will have to innovate or die. Like Solaris Bank, for example, which is small bank, they partnered with Bitwala and take care of their Fiat banking part while Bitwala takes care of the crypto trading part. But it's a nice combination. You get a card. It's the same company that does your banking ad. You can also use to purchase a crypto. I think we'll see more of those smaller players. I think Mundo that Dan mentioned is what I believe UK only, but it's also one of the Neo app bank things. I think there's definitely room for that. I'm not sure I don't know how well Bitwala or Solaris Bank is doing at this time, but I've never heard of Solaris Bank and going partnership with Bitwala in this case gave them more and more reach. It makes sense for smaller banks. I think we'll first see the larger private banking services start to switch over to crypto. Solaris Bank was actually just purchased. It was a dead bank and they purchased it to make a tech company out of it with a banking license. So they basically just bought the license to then create a tech API first bank because they knew that the API laws were getting passed in the EU, meaning every bank had to offer an API and they wanted to jump in on that action. That was a good, good, good folks down there. Martin predicts all the fancy banks that I'll never use. Banks that won't let me in the lobby. Banks that don't have drive up ATMs. No free toaster. No alarm clock. Josh Shegala, which bank will use Bitcoin next predict something I use like Bank of America. Wells Fargo. Yeah, N26. Who the heck is that? Peter Teal invested in it. No. I think maybe an Australian bank might, but that's just because I'm Australian. I know those guys, but I don't know. You know what? I don't care. That's what it comes down to. I'm so disinterested Thomas in this question because I don't care which bank offers crap like their crappy version of Bitcoin. If you want to buy Bitcoin, figure it out on an exchange. Plenty of places to buy it. Just ignore those idiots. That industry is a corrupt piece of crap. It needs to be left in the place where dinosaurs were left. You know, just to just be relics. Josh was very close with his none of the above answer, but it was actually all of the above. All of the banks will soon accept Bitcoin and start offering it whether Josh likes it or not. Moving on to issue two issue two India set to propose Bitcoin ban. They're back again. This time it's India again. India is once again attempting to ban what they call private blockchains, meaning that they mean to offer their own public blockchain. Once again, choice for the people is stomped by government power. Let's go to Josh Shigalla first. Josh, what do you think about India's exciting new attempt to ban Bitcoin? This is going to be a boon to the Indian people. Yeah, I had a really good talk with Sunny Ray who is the CEO of Unalcoin. That's not one coin. That's Unalcoin. They are the biggest exchange. They were the biggest exchange in India and they spent a lot of resources fighting the first ban, which wasn't actually law. It was a ban by the central bank of India banning other banks using it and then pretty much destroying all exchanges. They spent a lot of resources fighting that and raising money for it. They won. This was an amazing time in India. People celebrated and danced and sung. Then now, of course, you're getting the actual law, the politicians saying we're going to ban Bitcoin and passing actual legislation to ban Bitcoin as law, which is a whole another ball game. Good old Sunny Ray is back at it with this team and they aren't the biggest exchange in the world. They're very big. They've got two million customers. I'm not saying this more. If you do want to support Sunny's work, paying for lawyers and all this stuff, check out his work. Sunny Ray has a great podcast as well. I was on it recently. He basically puts feed on the ground, lawyers put on robes and he battles this stuff front on. It needs to be battled because India has got some of the brightest minds in the world. You can see it in Silicon Valley, some of the biggest heads of the biggest companies of Indian descent. They're just shooting themselves in the foot there. The government is screwing this up. It's like New York as well, screwed it up with the New York license and all the brains just left. All they can do now is have conferences. G, what do you do? Wow, you can have a Bitcoin conference. The bright minds will leave and that's what will happen. If you want to be the next hub of Asia in terms of financial hub, if you want to take that away from Hong Kong, then don't ban the future of finance to try and make your own like an idiotic. It's banning all car manufacturers, all cars because you're going to make your own. We saw what happened in Germany when the war was up. They had the Trabant, the single only car you could buy in East Berlin. It was this piece of crap, small thing. In fact, it was so crap you had to order when your child was born because it took 18 years to build. The state was so inefficient and then you finally got it and to turn the windscreen wipers, you had to physically turn it on the inside and burn the heap of gas. That's how crap the state isn't doing anything. Try not to create your own blockchain. All right, brand to deliver. Sounds like a revolutionary environmental friendly motor there that kind of technology we should look into that crank technology. Oh, yeah, that crank technology is great for the RSI. I was just asking everyone at home to use their own crank technology and give us a thumbs up. It comes up or free and there's more than 34 people watching us on YouTube. So maybe we should have 34 thumbs up. Yeah, come on. Do it. Martin, Wissmare, your thoughts on India and they're very exciting attempt to ban Bitcoin. First, I think Bitcoin won't be banned. It's impossible to ban it, but it will definitely hurt the Indian infrastructure. It exchanges and stuff. It will be hard, but it doesn't surprise me to be honest. You see many people when I lived in Dubai, you saw many people trying to take gold back to India, but it was something that was really, really, trip search people because of gold. Gold. Do you have some gold? So they've always been about capital controls and trying to control people and so it doesn't surprise me at all. But I think it's a stupid mistake. In the past we had the China Fert, but China would ban it every few months. Now it seems that the new one that's going to ban it, ban it, ban it is India. But honestly, I think people in India should just fight it. And even if it's banned, like Nigeria, in case people use it more than ever because if it's banned, it must be good. And if you're thought on India. I think it's a shame, especially how India recently, over the last 23 years, become such a huge tech like Harvard, around the world. And so much development takes place there. And in general, it just seems illogical for a country that's growing so much in the tech sector would then limit the opportunities in one of the huge parts of the tech sector for the growing FinTech industry. I think they're looking at some chart based on 2020 volumes. They were actually 11th in the world for trading volumes. So it's not like it's going to be a small contribution to the overall volumes of trade bitcoin. And I doubt it will sort of make any market crash if they do decide it like it used to with China vans. But it's just a shame because it's, yeah, I can imagine that, especially for example, international remittance, like a lot of people from India work abroad and to send money back costs an absolute fortune. So bitcoin's good for actually sending money back to the country and avoiding the silly bank charges that they have. So yeah, let's just hope they're you too. And big up bitcoin. I agree with the panel. It's a big loss to India. It's an incredible country that has intelligent people. They're all technology. It's a good opportunity to grow bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies, but it doesn't look like they're going to get to do that. So it is a disappointment for them. But again, this has happened before and like the panel said, banning bitcoin is kind of impossible. So really, they're just bringing more attention to it. What they're actually banning, unfortunately, like Josh mentioned is people like sunny ray entrepreneurs who want to do the right thing and work through the system raising capital, offering services, having a company. It's not going to be possible if they go through with this ban. So that's what they're actually banning. All the criminal activity will only increase or continue and all the normal people are now criminals. So bad for India. Moving on to the exit question, who will ban bitcoin next? We've seen China and India some other countries. Josh, who will ban bitcoin next? All of them. Yeah, all of them. Eventually all of them will because they'll try to compete with it. It's like India. And it'll become impossible to ban. It'll happen what happens with Dash and all these other ones because bitcoin will become more fungible eventually. Then I'll say, who it's too private and then it's probably all of them. It really does seem that way. At first bitcoin was more of a joke, but now that it's past $50,000, it's over a trillion dollars, they're starting again to see it as a threat. So it really might go that way. Martín Wismer, who will ban bitcoin next? I don't know about banning, but as you say that now that the price is up and the market gap is higher than ever, you'll see more and more countries starting to heavily regulate it, just regulate it, make it impossible to actually own some bitcoin. I mean, even starting about unhosted wallets. I mean, what is an unhosted wallet? It's just a wallet. I mean, there's no such thing as an unhosted wallet. Wallets and custodial wallets, custodial, bad wallets, good. So you'll see more and more of this, this stuff happening. At the same time, I think there will always be countries that will welcome you as a bit corner with your stash of satar shoes and they will not ban it. So I'm eventually, we might have to vote with our feet and move to another country, but I'm all prepared, but it's true cases back. I think you're spot on there. That's exactly what the Modes of Oranda has been in the past as well. They just basically make it, they're like, oh, no, we're a free country. We wouldn't ban anything. But you've got to jump about a trillion hoops and you just don't do it. So it's effectively banning. It's not a Portugal. It's fine. Dan Eave, who will ban bitcoin next? Well, I think it's kind of full and it used to be a scare thing on my radar. Now, I think bitcoin is just so big that nothing's going to cause an impact anymore. And even if China did say, I think we're going to ban it. I don't think the market will move like it used to because it's just so ubiquitous now. It's not just one area that people think that all the mining is done and therefore that's going to be where the biggest impact is. I think that it's so well spread that that's kind of the news that's coming along just sort of patters out a bit less and less each time because it's not enough to move the markets. And let's say the US or I think US would number one in those charts for bitcoin trading. I think that would be the only country that I think really would have a significant impact on bitcoin. But I just don't think that's going to happen. But the funny thing is that going back to the example that we hear bitcoin from the local market is not ecological sites. So the fact is bad for the environment, blah, blah, blah. That's the kind of only thing people have got left. And then the banking industry, it's money laundering. It's like, oh, bitcoin is used for money laundering. And I think in January when Christine Lagarde, the head of the ECB, who happens to have been convicted for 400 million euro for a felony, but still managed to get a great job after it. Wish I was that lucky. She said, you know, mention to get about the money laundering. You know, oh, the money laundering is just bad for an AML. We've got to put regulation. No one, no one so far. I mean, I haven't heard any big examples of money laundering. There's loads of you could search HSBC and money laundering and a plenethora of articles come up just on that alone. But I haven't seen one good documented argument, not argument, but case where bitcoin has provably been used in a big money laundering fiasco. And certainly not even the scale of some of the larger banks. So yeah, I don't, I don't care. He says they're going to buy bitcoin because bitcoin will buy them. Yeah. Dan, Eve, can you see my screen? It's like Dan can see the whole thing. So yes, Dan was reading off the reasons why the United States will be the one to ban bitcoin money laundering environmental problems, a threat to central banks. Articles will be written. You're causing a brain drain. This is bad for technology, but then they'll say we have to do it anyway, and they'll be right. Think of the children moving on. Did you know the world crypto network has its own store at shop dot world crypto network dot com. You can get HAL Finney, the mug, just like the mug I have right here at shop dot world crypto network dot com. So we have a podcast on Apple podcasts and Spotify and other places where you listen to podcasts subscribe to the world crypto network audio podcast today. Also thanks to everyone for giving us all those thumbs up. I see we now have 47 people watching us. That's way more than 37. Moving on to issue three. Bitcoin surpasses 60K in record high as rally accelerates. Bitcoin the world's biggest cryptocurrency was at 60,415 dollars as of 725 AM on the day this article was written. The digital currency is up over 963% in the last 12 months according to coin base. Dan Eve. What's the reason for this insane Bitcoin rally? Will it ever stop? I think it's it's it's destiny according to the charts. You know, I think I think that it community definitely has a lot to do with it and I'm not saying laser eyes did it but it did spread quite quite far and and it kind of gets you know gets people together and maybe it does have an effect of people going yeah if I buy this little bit of Bitcoin it will help push it over to the next all time I and you kind of don't get that with with with stocks. I mean maybe you might get that with say, well, it's game stock did that in very well. But you know that kind of shil army behind a stock you know, you wouldn't find or you wouldn't find many people like going into a Tesla out of telegram like people being like you're why you put a Tesla on Binance and stuff like that which you do get that in the community. You get people working for the stock. They get they're working for Bitcoin you know they everyone's doing their part and I think you know community has a huge part to do with it but also obviously you've got to mention you know plan B stock to flow and it kind of looks like it's just planning out. It really isn't and it looks like we're probably what like around the May 2017 timings right now with the bull run back then you know probably going to have a bit of a pullback and and then not before we head off to the prophesized prophesized you know 250k. But I say I think it's partly quite a lot to do the community so do your bit for Bitcoin. Think about it. The big Bitcoin needs you. Tell people about it and tell them about hodling tell them about obviously how to store your Bitcoin securely and that you can use a service where they hold your Bitcoin for you but the ideal is to own your own private keys and don't be part of that bank run because as we mentioned earlier about the fact that you know who's going to be the first big bank to get hacked and that's going to be a big embarrassing moment when that happens and if you are letting a bank store your Bitcoin you're susceptible to the same third party risk of a bank run as you are because they're probably going to re-hypophicate with your your coin agent in some way. So yeah I store your Bitcoin hold your Bitcoin and and read and tell everyone about Bitcoin. 14 risk mayor has plan B become plan a. Actually I today I saw an interview with him on a on a dust channel a mother long from crypto cars and they were talking about plan a plan B but plan a is a bit like in between he still works in plan a but he's called plan B you know he still works as long as it wasn't plan nine that's the one you don't want. I don't know about plan nine but I stick to plan B yes his prediction was it 50k US dollar Bitcoin price came out of his original stock flow model came out one month before it was predicted so I created for myself created a little spreadsheet with all the predictions and then you know my number of sets I have and then like you know when what will happen when this this is is really becoming a reality but I think it's this Bitcoin is part of like a renaissance we are changing the way the world works money wise and you know the previous rena sounds was in the 1600s or something where we got out of the middle ages and before that it was the state and religion skipping us down and stupid but after that we had an explosion of art and explosion of wealth and knowledge and it changed the world so I think Bitcoin is doing that in a similar way and what you also sing in the crypto community it's not just like a bank account is that you see a huge art movement there's so many different artists I've been you know looking for for crypto art now for the past few weeks those who've seen the other episodes will have noticed that I was simply like you know join our newsletter because you know I want to feature you on the ATM so I've been really searching a bit of crypto art and it's just so much art out there you know I just don't have enough walls to decorate you know it's just it's it's it's a big revolution but I totally forgot what your question was on us sorry about that so yeah plan B in plan A and Bitcoin. Oh yeah. Yes Bitcoin plan B I think predict somewhere like 100k somewhere this year but 288k like coming up and then you know it's really like a new asset class what will happen after that I don't know I think you know what we discussed before that we'll like you see a lot of regulation and people will we'll start to have to move to save for jurisdictions that they're still nice to Bitcoin and everybody else will be stuck with their what food stamps or what they call it central bank digital currencies so yeah yeah I don't know but for now Bitcoin's number go up technology we'll see it go up and I think plan B is right on track well everyone knows in order for Bitcoin to go to 100k everyone needs to subscribe to the world crypto network because if the world crypto network goes to 100k then Bitcoin will surely follow Josh Shagalla your thoughts on Bitcoin breaking 60k yeah I mean it'll definitely happen the thing is that I worry about is and I'm still I'm in a ring thinking about a lot that Bitcoin seems to be tying itself a lot more to the stock market and there will be a massive stock market crash like we saw it in March just a little teaser a little taste test of what that looks like and what happens is that Bitcoin cruises down with it gold cruises down with everything good cruises down with this because everyone's just desperately looking for liquidity to close other positions to get somewhere just get it out get it into cash and then from that pile of rubble that's where you want it if you aren't in Bitcoin yet that's where that's what you want to buy that dip although most people don't because they're like oh they get too scared of it going down but I'm kind of scared because there is only 21 million so it definitely deserves to be up way even way from here way up from here but the thing is that it's getting so tied into Wall Street that the massive crash that's coming the huge crash that makes that makes the big short looks like a fun little day out is coming folks and to try to prepare for that is really a tricky thing because what do you do do you hold fiat that it will crash with it do you hold property like you know land what do you hold and the sad part of that whole thing is that you hold you try to hold hard assets and even crypto but you have to hold it for a while because it will dip down massively and it'll get very scary the OGs like us we're kind of used to these big dips in crypto so we just got whatever but that's when the suicides happen and we I've seen them from you know in the industry here so when that does happen just beware that it will happen and it's going to be okay hold through it but in the inner it's I don't know when it's coming you know this is the other thing it's so manipulated man the whole stock exchange the whole the whole thing the whole game is so manipulated and obstructed from reality that you just don't know when the the plunge protection team are just going to go okay hands off hands off because what else can they do so there are a few things to look out for and and those things are are things starting to go up I mean what they're doing now for instance just in terms of hyperinflation is is going to cause a lot more hyperinflation than in the past see when banks print their own money and it stays with the banking system and gets bought up by the by the Fed again and it just sort of bails the mower and you definitely see inflation right but what happens is if you start putting that outside of the banking system giving it into the people's hands it gets into the wider economy that's when inflation starts hitting hard so we're I think with these with these steamy checks I think we're going to see a large part of that inflation hitting home so might even be good to start taking credit debt out because if if we are going to hyperinflation or an inflationary bubble to start with allow that inflation to pay off debts where you've bought physical real assets with it that's also an option of course none of this is really advice it's all educational but there's a there's a lot of complex ins and outs far more than we can just cover in this short segment of what's happening right now with the wider global economy it's it's a very very very interesting time to be alive people should do their diligence if you're holding a lot of money if you're holding a very substantial amount it's part of your family's wealth you should be very very much studying what happened in Vimer Republic in Germany what went up what went down how people protected themselves what people did in some of the African countries what people have done to protect their wealth apart from hanging around the corridors of power in places like Venezuela do you know figure out which assets to hold which assets to diversify into for the long run because it's going to get very very intense over the next six months that would figure that just as I'm out of debt it suddenly becomes cool to have debt and what are you going to do when the Great Crash comes you're just going to walk the earth like cane and kung fu walk the earth and have adventures moving on to the exit question the price of Bitcoin this time next week higher or lower than eve okay well I've been a bit too optimistic I think a last couple of weeks although technically we are quite close to 65 I think that was the last one I said so I'm going to stay with 65 because it's only another five case about 11 11% if that less that's than that from where we are now and yeah I think I think 65K is a reasonable a reasonable guess Dan stays with 65 Martin higher or lower I'll stick with with Dan on this we've seen a lot of off buying sorry the market's been a bit slow but you see that buyers are all all concentrated around the 54K sellers don't want to go lower than 64K so that's why there's not much movement in the market so I think 65 then we're lucky then we're breaking that eventually you know those buyers will have to come up with a price so 65 definitely good good Josh and Gala we're seeing a consensus for 65 do you agree I see like the moving averages for the week do show me a strong buy signal I also think there's there's a fairly solid buy signal on some other technical you know triangles but that's a technical term that's it's a very technical term they are it yeah some some of the the oscillators are looking kind of neutral but one thing I would say is that if you're going to buy a bitcoin at this at this height then definitely just just average in every every every week or day or payday it's it's that's the best way to go but I do see that there is a bit of a strong buy on the moving averages at the moment but we all know the real reason the audience is here and everyone pushed that thumbs up button it's working we have 60 viewers thanks to you pushing the thumbs up button but now the bitcoin predictor ball will predict the price of bitcoin well the price of bitcoin be higher this time next week outlook not so good outlook not so good so there it is the panel is bullish the ball disagrees outlook not so good let's see what happens everyone's adjusting their positions right now they're all running around the chat they're like get me back on the margin sell sell buy buy moving on to issue 4 Tesla's Elon Musk wants coinbase to become Doge friendly coinbase one of the few coins not to be listed Doge coins one of the few coins not to be listed on coinbase and Elon Musk wants to change that they asked him on twitter and he said yes with an exclamation mark which as you know is a major communication from Elon he's come down from the mountain he is spoken to the people and the question is is Elon Musk right Dan Eve should Doge coin be listed on coinbase I think so and because if you're gonna like help calm down everyone on your keyboard if you're gonna add other shit coins then then I don't see really don't see why not doge coin and let's face it it's been kind of a it's been a whether you believe in the market caps as as you know coin market cap shows or other leading brands brother love it's been one of the top coins that's been around alongside alongside Bitcoin for a long time it's almost kind of a pre indicator of Bitcoin pumping as well you know you kind of know that's something's up when Doge when Doge is on a move and I just think what if you're gonna if you're gonna add all sorts of other shit coins especially stuff that eventually gets delisted anyway like XRP why not add why not add Doge yeah it's it's it's a collectible it's the it's kind of you know it's the it's the memeable version of Bitcoin but obviously Bitcoin's meme anyway but it was kind of you know it's almost built for a joke but I think it's it just makes fun of the it for me it makes fun of the traditional finance system because it's not Bitcoin and yet it's still not spent in all the banks it's so I love it I think go go for it XRP is for the banks it's got electoral lights Arteen Wismer Dogecoin for coin base yeah I think Dogecoin I never really took it serious and it was really started as a joke but you know from ethical few points I think they shouldn't list it but considering that it's more like shit coin base nowadays and they do list all these crap coins they really really don't care there is no you know they they say they make a judgment fair judgment whether to add a coin or not but they're just looking at their wallets and they still list anything so yeah sure at it I have stopped recommending coin base to new coiners a long long time ago don't care yeah but honestly don't buy any Dogecoin and you know just just read read something about you know market cap and total number of coins and you know before you start investing on coin base because before you know it you're holding bags of shit coins so yeah no personally no but they're shit coin base so sure why not profit and fees yes but ethically they're a little shaky Josh Shagallit should coin base add Dogecoin I mean the Doge is amazing because people don't quite realize the the amount of dilution that's happening every 10 minutes you know I kind of go with Dan on this one I think that people need to learn in this industry what what a joint coin is what what a real I think I've frozen here but can you guys still hear me we can hear you but we can't see you all right so um so yeah the the the thing is that people need to learn what a scam looks like that that's what it is and and if you're going to invest in crypto you need to learn what what the every 10 minutes that there's a certain amount of supply on certain coins or that there's a total amount of supply on certain coins and not another ones and and what it what it sounds like to to own a percentage of a market cap rather than an amount of coins and you know there's all these things that you should learn and I hope that coin base if they did list did list Doge that they would talk about all of these factors and let people decide because it is just a stupid coin if you just don't want to hold something like though it's literally a joke I get literally is a joke and Elon sees that but what sort of a noise about leelon's tweets is that he's tweeting them like they are that it isn't a joke that he takes it sort of seriously in a jockey manner but it literally is a joke coin it's not you know it's a community coin it's something to it's like a test net you sort of throw it around but it has some sort of value because there's you know I don't know because he long tweets about it or something but yeah well I think coin base should add Dogecoin because it would drive my friend Jackson crazy for you guys if you don't know like Josh was saying it's a joke coin Jackson Palmer who created it doesn't really like Bitcoin doesn't really like crypto was making fun of it the entire time it was a joke and they were making fun of crypto and that's why you could have millions of Doge and you'd be like instantly rich for $20 or something and yeah it would be super funny if they add to coin base it would also follow my theory of coin bases always behind the profits when Cripsy had hundreds of alt coins coin bases like I want to be like that and then Binance took it and then Binance had all the defying coin bases like I want to be like that and they're adding all the defy they're always chasing whoever the next thing is so it would be great to see them add Dogecoin and then for Dogecoin to become suddenly uncool because it's on coin base maybe there'd be a new Dogecoin like Dogecoin dark that could become a dash coin or something like that there is already a dark I think there was a Dogecoin dark I know I think it became a dash coin or Manero or something one of the big ones it doesn't it still don't still doesn't have a cap on it it's it's not right it's still capitalist yeah it's never gonna be a billion billion doge or something there's like an inflation bug like it prints more than it's supposed to and it's kind of fishy and it's merged mind with light coin but again you don't need to know any of that it has a Doge on it and Elon Musk recommends it they just had that story this week where the guy sent 400,000 pounds of Bitcoin to Elon Musk because he was going to send him double that back oh yeah that's that's I I've did that once but you never got anything back well and how does how does that guy get access to 100,000 pounds in Bitcoin where he's like oh just like it's the middle of the night and I'm just gonna send my entire investment to Elon Musk because that's a good idea like that's I've ever ever wanted I know they all got rich because they sent their entire investment to a random person on the internet in the middle of the night and it got doubled oh you can you can find those random people also in the comments down below because they those scammers always target all the YouTube channels so if don't take any investment guys and investment advice from people you know in the comment section and it's all scammed so yeah people I like those spam comments though it's like getting junk mail it's proof that you exist it's like you made a crypto video here's your like 20 or 30 scam comments about like telegram and how you can reach us and I trust this guy so much he doubled my money and all that so I still don't have a like a report for reports but you know you've got reports spam report offensive stuff reporting posters I don't think they've got one for scams yet and or at least they didn't last on my check and I think that a lot of the platforms really really kind of need that to at least especially while we're going for this huge fact checking age where you know everything's fact check and we want to make sure the people are getting the right information so that's something that's quite key and maybe you know that would be expedited because of the fact that checks a bitcoiner obviously cash app for example has been repopulated this week it was trending because a lot of people are using that to send bitcoin and I saw loads of kind of scam attempts underneath that as well so hopefully that would be expedited and we'll be able to report scams and get rid of them quick but they're very clever they you know emulate a site they're very very very clever just to shame they managed to get so many people Twitter is completely run amuck with imitators and scammers and that's really been a problem we had DJ booth for a while he had that program you can have people mass report your scammers and that's the only way to get rid of them and Adam back it's mad at it every once in a while but the YouTube ones a big problem as well where it's possible they could be liable because google is allowing these things to happen and the spam tools that I have as a youtuber are incredibly poor like I would just like to ban the word telegram like sorry I like telegram I use it but every time someone mentions it in the comments it's always telegram me about my scam same thing gmail email all these if I could ban five or so words yeah I just get rid of all these things and I don't know why they don't and why it's not a larger priority for them but it's not and they don't care but we're reaching near the end of the show so Dan Eve are you ready with a prediction or a story of the week go ahead Dan I'm gonna go for a really exciting prediction the Bitcoin's gonna be 65 Knegs for it going out on a limb there although you are going against the magic eight ball that's kind of random the tough pick there last week Martine prediction or a story of the week and do you dare to challenge the ball nothing here I've been busy finding crypto art for the past week so yeah I hope to get in touch with some artists I think we should really work on getting more focused on the art after all this part of the crypto renaissance and there will be no crypto renaissance or Bitcoin renaissance without art so we need more art so artists do get in touch with me either via Twitter or just subscribe on general bicelltecom and we'll get in touch with you Josh Shigala prediction or a story of the week yeah there's no real real prediction apart from apart from the fact Bitcoin will be around next week that's my prediction I'm sorry that's totally boring but yeah more doom and gloom yeah more doom and gloom yeah yeah we're trying to get a technical analysis indicator to show up on the Valtteri blog post it takes about a hundred different indicators and boils it down to one thing which is strong cells sell buy or strong buy and it's a good little little thing from trading you but yeah let us know if it works in the comments because some browsers are having problems and you need to bring back the troll box I don't know how to make any my decisions without the troll box yeah you need a troll box of VTC E right the troll box all the time in there does coin to the moon yeah yeah arise chicken arise chicken arise but let's see here a story of the week is they found my Kirio card project my NFT art project from 2017 oh so this is pretty fun I knew this but apparently the internet didn't know this but my friends Rhett Craton and Travis Urigh and I pretty much invented NFTs we were the first art based NFT on Ethereum rare Pepe's was before us but they were on counterparty and there's also a thing called a theory that had NFTs but they were a game and you could only use theirs in the command line Kirio cards had all of the things that we take for granted and modern NFTs including as you can see here an animated gift actually the second animated NFT we did the first one before that but yeah individual cards individual supplies and I knew this because Kirio cards was mentioned in the ERC 721 specification so you could just read where they said they designed it after rare Pepe's and Kirio cards so this has caused a lot of speculation in the market about the value of these cards many of the cards were left abandoned kind of in a vending machine that Rhett built where you could send Ethereum to the vending machine and it would send back Kirio cards to you the people of the internet figured this out very quickly diagram this for other users spread it far on wide and they bought all the cards that were in the vending machines they were sold out almost immediately now they're trying to build a market for these cards they're building a wrapper to how host them on open sea there's a decks they're trying to trade these cards according to early reports card number one has traded at a 24 hour volume of a hundred thousand dollars or more wow said they're getting twelve thousand dollars maybe for a single card or a series of cards and the the chat room they have a discord with over 500 people and it's all the things that I always wanted to see they're like I'll trade you a number five for a number 12 or I'm selling seven eight nine but I need 15 17 and two like it's they're trading them like collectibles they're calling themselves collectors of course they're all really just in it for the money but it's pretty exciting for my dead start-up from 2017 to suddenly be a popular and back and it's also fascinating because another company and they're going to probably have more success another company stole our name as well just recently a company called Curio yes we're Curio cards and they're Curio I said that they're going to make NFTs for Showtime television network and they have all kinds of big contracts to make all kinds of fancy NFTs and they raised well they will only raised $1.2 million with the name Curio and the idea to make NFTs so it's been very interesting week on the internet just checking this out seeing what happens not financial advice buying or selling Curio cards but it sounds like fun and they're collectibles like baseball cards and that's what I always said and it's super strange to be proven right four years later and totally ignored during those four years well done Thomas the website father of NFTs yeah well what's the address of the website you just showed with the cards this is a Curio dot cards this is one of the newer versions of the website there are pretty cool cards basically they highlighted after the first 10 which were kind of test cards it highlighted the work of various artists so let's see right here if we click we can see the cryptography cards here number 11 12 and 13 he did a few of his cool bitcoin logos as cards finneap did some cards here here's a number 20 the mad bit cards in suit James Bond and he also did some of his bitcoin parodies here Coca-Cola and Wendy's and Heineken and he did card 10 he also did the original cards which were kind of clip art kind of based these were going to be generic cards that we were going to kind of use that you could buy and trade these for the other cards but it turned out these cards at least a current according to the current market which again we have no idea how this is going to turn out are being called the first NFTs and are being hyped as being valuable so card number one here the apple pretty good choice a little biblical apple reference there garden of Eden kind of stuff so people are really loving that and a couple other fun cards the this a clips card was released on 8 21 2017 when we had that big eclipse and there was only 821 of the cards that's kind of fun and it was an animated card let's see we also had robux world he did some great cards here this is the founders of curio cards so there's another mad bit coins there's Travis and then there's ret and you can kind of see ret is the the first animated like the first animated NFT because reds got the blinking thing wow and you got 21 yeah I got 21 so yeah it's really cool there's a couple other artists here Daniel Friedman made these incredible pencil arts with a lot of detail there weren't a lot of those so they sold out really quick merisol vangus did these really interesting color overlays on cities and I think that's a crypto pop to show you these are really called the uasf card and the dogecoin to the moon with the dogs on it and then the dogs playing poker and they say okay who's got a new ult to pump so these were really fun cards too and there's a bit of controversy going on right now I don't want to weigh in on either sides because people started listening to me so I can't joke anymore I've become like Elon Musk but there's actually a fork on card 17 card 17 the uasf card I don't know what happened my theory is that ret made mistake and then fixed it but there are two different versions and the audience has somehow figured this out and of course they bought up version 17b and now they're having a huge debate like a holy war about whether 17b is like an original curiocard should be included in the original 30 or if it's like a misprint or an alternate curiocard maybe included in a later wrapper onto the open sea like it should be sold as a misprint so that's really fun and it's especially fun that's happening on the uasf card so I don't yeah land or whatever it's it's one of those happy accident I don't know things but and as far as the value again stop quoting me but yeah they're way excited when I joined their discord so shout out to all the curiocards people I hope you enjoy collecting and buy and sell at your own risk it's been four years also I think there's a possibility that we we're going to be the ones that break the whole NFT thing because they're like NFTs make so much money on all these platforms and then here comes one that's not on a platform just on a theory um it's on the wrapper or whatever and I don't know if they'll be that much interest but we got listed in the Wikipedia for crypto art under 2017 we were before crypto punks so apparently a lot they were claiming they were number two and then now we're number two on all time NFTs for Ethereum and number one on art NFTs for Ethereum so well I'm going straight there to buy some up that's yeah you gotta have one you're hoping and well and I did shows about this I told everyone and everyone's like mad big coins NFTs these aren't worth anything and then or years later who's laughing now so but yeah I think we talked about it too much so anything else you guys want to say ready to head towards the end of the show now I tell you what folks smash those likes drill those likes slap them and send them to the moon because this show needs needs a bit more exposure I think this is also the longest running Bitcoin show that's been around I remember the Bitcoin group from years and years and years ago and you know I'm a very proud paid guest that's regular guest as we all are and and you know I think it's it's unfortunate that it only gets so many views the inside as the tree inside as I think there's been some really really good information given out over the years on this show that has made people a lot of money because they've listened to some of the opinions and some people lost a lot of money as well because they didn't listen to the opinion but but no I really hope that everyone can give us the thumbs up and help the show become wider adopted also nice Josh sometimes we have both sides of the opinions so we were right and wrong so people got rich and poor on the same advice martin anything you want to say about the Bitcoin group it is we didn't really do much I tried to invite people but they didn't reply but it's kind of the 250th and 250th episodes so martin it's a big round number if you want to say something wow yeah this is is it already 250th episode oh I stopped counting like long time ago but now I think I think this this show made Bitcoin show was one of the first podcasts I started following on Bitcoin that was back in 2011 or 12 I don't know I don't remember everything is in 2013 but I wish I'd started earlier now it feels like you know I remember it's like my first phone with a data connection I would hook it up to my car radio and it would play a YouTube but you know of course I have to pay attention to the roads but then I would listen in through the car radio and it's just like you know I felt like there was the world southong on the radio or we're streaming a podcast and it was the mad Bitcoin show you know it was like you know we were changing the world so now we're look to a look 250 episodes later we're still here I think we did change the world though it is the bankers used to laugh at us now they all accept Bitcoin it's another one of those being the pioneers isn't always the best thing because the pioneers get shot in the back by the Native Americans as I say it correctly but yeah we all know those were the pioneers but again that's also in this case a sign of success like all these bankers are into it and they've brought their banker people and their analysts and they were all wrong in 2013 and they were wrong in 11 and 12 in all these years but now they're here and they're with us and they're going to start being right if they agree with us on Bitcoin I thought those bankers and their analysts all the analysts are coming Dan Eve do you want to say anything about the Bitcoin group number two now that you said it's 250 episodes I'm I was already on it but now I'm even more on it and you know thinking back back in the day when I was working in Treasury at the time for where I was working and I was learning about Bitcoin and the two channels I was learning from was your channel mad bitcoins and also tracemate I started listening to the tracemate run to gold podcast because it was Bitcoin and when I first had I kind of wanted to watch them or listen to the transition of him going from gold to Bitcoin and so when I was explaining Bitcoin I showed them a like a video and all the every now now and then someone walked past the desk and I'd be something watching one of your videos and they're like oh you know to talk about Bitcoin they say you're learning from this guy and I'm like yeah yeah of course like tell them to talk about the news and they're like oh okay I'll pass on but all those people I've been three in the last week have messaged me on LinkedIn saying hey Dan how's how's it going you still you still into Bitcoin sadly they think I'm a multi multi million but unfortunately you've been in Bitcoin long enough that you live Bitcoin and therefore you know only I think if if only I'd have seen the where in the HODL cap but we used Bitcoin like in 2013 it was like I was almost trying to prove that I'd be using it for stuff like yeah of course I use it for stuff I'd buy something random off the internet and be like yeah I use Bitcoin to buy this and say you use it along the way but it's been an incredible journey so far and yeah I'm just absolutely over the moon to be a part of this show and I've learned a lot from you and I think a lot of people around the world have and and I would like to thank you very much for your absolutely dedicated service to providing Bitcoin information and news to people and yeah I think it's been incredible to me so thank you very much so oh thanks Dan make me tear up here but uh it is pretty fun it's also it's easy to lose track on a weekly show like this how many weeks 250 weeks is 52 weeks in a year that's like at least five years you know we took some time off here and there but we've been pretty consecutive I was going through the spreadsheet of kind of all the guests have been on the show and trying to map up when we took weeks off and we were really good until I went to Europe and then I messed up our consecutive streak but we were really strong there for a long time and then we go on and off the streak we're on a pretty good streak right now but it's a it's very easy to break it it's hard to to get a group of people together every week and you know no one here gets paid I don't really get paid there's not really a lot of money here but you do get the prestige you were on the Bitcoin group I guess you could turn that into some stock trading triangle workshops and stuff there's a NFT you get NFT and again now oh mad bitcoins is not a maximalist he's an NFT or and then NFTers are like he's not hardcore NFT enough he's a Bitcoiner and so I'm gonna not benefit from this I think but that's all right I'm in the Wikipedia so but yeah 250 episodes one time let's see I think Megan hosted one Megan lords Derek Friedman Derek Friedman hosted one and Chris Ellis hosted one so there's been three fun guest hosts but the rest of the time I've been here shout out to all the guests we've had throughout the years Andreas Antonopoulos Blake Anderson Chris Ellis especially tone Vays he had quite a consecutive streak going there is really strong on his consecutive streak so we have to get that started again Jimmy Song all the people that have been on here I'm forgetting people's names Christoph Atlas let's see what else we have on here I'm gonna get it I forget them but oh all kinds of people I didn't prepare I didn't prepare a speech but thanks so much for watching thanks for all the thumbs up and subscribing down below let's get to 100k for World Crypto Network then we get a little plaque and that would be really neat yeah subscribe folks yeah subscribe and ask your friends to subscribe they don't have to watch it but they could just subscribe so but thanks so much everybody for watching we're gonna go and end the show for now so until next time bye bye