#223 — The Bitcoin Group #223 - BTC Post-Halving - Minnesota Murder - Hong Kong - Trump v. Twitter

The Bitcoin Group, the American original, for over the last 10 seconds, the sharpest Satoshi's, the best bitcoins, the hardest cryptocurrency talk. We'd like to welcome our panelists, Ben Arck from BTC IoT. Cheers, old freedom of transaction. Dan Eve, the crypto raptor. Greetings. Josh Gagalla from Voltoro. Good evening, gentlemen and ladies. And I'm Thomas Hunt from the World Crypto Network, moving on to issue one. Minisota on fire. A police officer has been charged with murder and manslaughter in the restraint death of George Floyd on the streets of Minneapolis, Minnesota. Last night, protesters burned a police station and a CNN crew was arrested by police. The day before protesters peacefully protested and were attacked by police officers with tear gas and rubber bullets. The situation in Minnesota continues to get worse, but now at least one of the officers has been arrested. The other three officers are still free right now. Ben Arck, your thoughts on the continuing situation in Minnesota? Yeah, I mean, I'm not on US citizens, so I can't speak too much on this topic. But I will say that I'm a big fan of you ever listened to or read anything, give James Baldwin as to civil rights activists in the sort of 60s and 70s and 50s as well. And he had a very good point in the systemic racism which exists in America. It destroys the American dream, not only for the black people, but then for the white people. And he was very much of the opinion that it would ultimately destroy the ideals which the kind of American dream is founded upon and was concerned for white racism as much as he was concerned for black folks. So I mean, as I said, I can't really give too much decent input on this topic. It's tragic and it's a sign of the times, the powder keg we're living in. It feels like the drum beat being hit, there's all this unrest and civil unrest and it's quite scary and in times like that, that's when all these tensions and divides kind of come to come to the forefront. So yeah, it's tragic and upsetting, but yeah. And there are just so many aspects to this in addition to the person who has murdered on the street, the police officers who watched the other bystanders who watched the person who filmed at a certain point, people have to stop filming, people have to stop watching, they have to start interacting, they have to start being involved in the scene that they're involved in. Additionally, we've heard reports that on the first day, there were perhaps agent provocateurs in the crowd, riling up the protesters, trying to make it more violent. There's a strange video of a man with an umbrella dressed all in black, smashing windows at an auto zone, perhaps setting the protesters up to make it more violent. And then there's again, there's this horrible decision by the prosecuting attorney not to charge the officer the day before. He waits, he's worried, he doesn't have all the evidence, which is often the case, but you can make the charge, you could lose the case later, convicting a police officer is almost unheard of in the United States, but you need to charge them, especially in a case like this, where they have the video. Dan Eve. Yeah, I watched, I think he's like, well, I don't know if it's a nine minute video, but certainly, the officer had his foot on the guy for like nine minutes. And no matter what your position is, I don't know how anyone could not watch that and see that it just made me feel sick that he just snuff, he just snuffed the life out of him. Like he was clearly not not fighting back. And the other cops, they were such stood there, they weren't doing anything. So no matter which side of the fence you're on, that was some crazy horrid stuff going down. It's just been like, what do you call it? The news has been crazy, like the scenes of destruction, it's like a war zone. It's definitely kicking off there. And how many more of these events are going to happen before something does change, does change significantly or go even worse significantly? It is like a war zone, Dan, it's like a war zone on both sides with the police fully dressed up in their riot gear, shooting tear grass and other grenades. It's similar to what we've seen in Hong Kong. And then today to watch them arrest the CNN journalists who clearly had a security team, they had a camera crew, they had a producer, they had a microphone, they were actually live on TV during the arrest. And after the arrest, I don't know what these officers were thinking. It reminded me very much of in 2014 when the World Crypto Network was covering the Hong Kong umbrella revolution live right here on YouTube. You can check out the footage. James Bang was in the street broadcasting with his phone on the World Crypto Network as we could do back then. And he was also arrested by police. So it is really a big deja vu, a flash of what happened in Hong Kong, a.k.a. China is now happening here in America. Josh Gagallat, your thoughts on this issue. Yeah, it's a really sad thing to watch. And I only saw a little bit today. The fact of the matter is there's a whole bunch of stuff happening right now, which is in really a dangerous time for the USA. You have 40 million people out of a job. You have now race related riots because this is obviously a very racist thing that cops have constantly been picking more on black communities. I mean, this is just a fact. And there is a spark here. If you look at something like World War One, where you have France, Ferdinand, it's just this little sparks. These little things can cause big effects. And with 40 million people out of a job, ready, just bored. Just let's just take boredom and then frustration. Let's add to that. I need to eat. Let's add to that. I need to feed my kids. This can get out of hand extremely quickly. And if you get America ready to go on both sides, on the left and the right and the middle, everyone is peered. You have militias going and protesting. I can't imagine what would happen if there was black militias with guns. The police didn't arrest the white guys with guns. Really, if there was a showdown, it can get ugly pretty fast. But at some stage, and this is a, I don't even know how to really talk about this without causing people's hair on the next to go up. But at some stage, you've got to think, when is killing a cop good? And because you live in the country and you think that, you think, oh, that's a day and you don't even talk about that. If you're in 90 Germany and they're pulling off a whole bunch of people or you're in Paul Pot or you're in, you can look back throughout history and gone, what a terrible state of affairs if only someone stood up to the authorities that were following, you know, doing bad things. It's not even as so much kill, Josh, as it is. In this case, just push him over. In this case, what we're really starting to see and there was an incident after this where people were fighting and they started fighting against the police and they did kind of fight back a little. Then the police came in with more force and they pushed those people back. But in this case, in the video, the officer has his neck on the, his knee on the guy's neck and he's kind of talking and joking with the crowd. And I think I've only seen an edited version of this video because it went to black. And after a little bit, it didn't just show me all eight minutes or whatever, but there's a strange point where the officer, he's one of the other officers is joking with the crowd and he says, don't do drugs, kid, kids don't do drugs. And he's joking around with the crowd as they are self-caring this guy. And all it takes as much as it would be a personal human sacrifice, you would go to jail for sure. But if you just ran in there and knock that guy off, maybe he could breathe for a minute, maybe he lives. Right? So, I mean, this is the main argument for guns, isn't it? Furniture of guns is that the government and the apparatus of state can't get to out of control because the citizens are armed and they can, that kind of keeps government in check. So, not, I'm not condoning going out and shooting cops or anything, but I think, I think there's a good, I mean, so looking back, I mean, it really is very relevant, the board war war, I'm on war two. When you look at the unemployment which happened after the Great Depression, it was 25% and now I think US unemployment is a 30%. And then, you know, that was then quite quickly followed by war. During the second, come on, obviously, you know, the Nazis were able to, you know, just the very compliant citizens, well-behaved Germans who, you know, would happily just get in these trains, which the Nazis told them to get them in. And the veterans, obviously, I'm from Britain, when the veterans of the second war, came home, particularly the Jewish veterans who'd fought. They, when they went into London, there was, and this is something which isn't really spoken about and it's not really in the history box, but we had a fascist lord called Lord Oswald Mosley. And Lord Oswald Mosley, he had his fascist following, they were called the black shirts, they would have these huge marches, like thousands of people marching through London and it was the same stuff which the Nazis were saying, you know, get the Jews out all that sort, they're very anti-Semitic. And they went into East London, this is after the Second World War, with the, it was a big rally of like 6,000 black shirts in Oswald Mosley. And the idea was to go into East London until the Jews to get out and, you know, leave the UK. And they went into East London, the Jews came out and just kicked their asses and just beat the fuck out of them. And there was some anti-bashish groups which came, I mean, in fact, like so, you know, Antifa has a very bad name, but you know, look at the 43 group and the good work they did find against Oswald Mosley. And then you have to question like, had some of the Jews in Germany acted in a similar way against the Nazis, then what the Nazis got as far as they did. So yeah, there is a point in time where it becomes a citizen's responsibility to, to stand up and say no, you know, the actions which the government are taking at wrong and then to oppose them. Whether or not you do that through force and violence, I don't know. I mean, the, our fascists, Oswald Mosley, he was taken out through force and violence. They were, you know, they would infiltrate his speeches and then utterly destroy them through violence. Because some of these, you know, Jewish, X-Fastor and say, they were rough and tough dudes like they could handle themselves. So honestly, anyone out there who interested that point of history, then do check out, there's a great documentary. You'll be able to find on YouTube about 43 group who were Jewish, X-Servicemen. And it's a reminder of why, why sometimes we need to stand up against, you know, oppression by government or state or authority. And they did have some rebellions against the Holocaust and against the camps, both with the Jewish citizens, as well as in Hungary. I can tell you from going to the Terra Museum in Budapest that they had many revolutions both against the Nazi rule there and against the communist rule. And they were put down harshly. So a lot of these things, they do exist. And you say, well, why didn't they fight back? And they did. It's just, you know, on the third day, the Soviets brought in the tanks. And that was the end of that revolution. I think this blends well into the exit question. What do you expect from the future, specifically tonight? Now that one of the officers has been charged with a crime and is in police custody, will the protests go less tonight or more tonight? And will it spread to multiple cities? Let's go to Ben Arck. I think I think the real problem is when you've got political leaders who you're almost of finding the flames. That's when there's a danger. You have this spark, you have this fire. And then they're not trying to... To me, that just sounds like there's a lot of conflict and division amongst some of the leaders involved in this whole thing. As I said, I'm not the citizen of the US. I can't really comment on this story too much. But I feel like it's going to get worse, sadly, unless the people of Minnesota are able to take control of the situation, I suppose. They could always turn the other cheek. Dan Eve. Well, 2020 has been like a crazy, crazy year so far. So it wouldn't even surprise me if the memories of this crazy Nazi rising in pockets, if there's like an opposing force that comes out angry about the cop going now or something. I don't know. Anything can happen. It's literally like 2020 has been some crazy fantasy work with who to thought we'd be in this position right now with COVID and everything else even six months ago. When I was visiting you in Vegas, there was talk about it, whatever I've been tracking it, but the world's upside down. So I don't know, hopefully they resolve it and this kind of sends shockwaves to other cops to kind of not put your knee on someone's neck at like for nine minutes. You'd think so, but then it's happened before too. Josh Gagala. Sadly, I think it's going to get worse because people, like I said, it's not just this. There's a lot, it's not, it's just one spark that flames a huge bonfire that's been building for a while. There would've been stacking and that's why you have the Black Lives Matters movement and all of these sorts of things is a reaction to continued. I mean, the whole race thing is an extremely deep topic and it's hard to get into, especially as a white guy. It's really hard, but obviously it doesn't matter the color of this guy really at the end of the day, whether you're white or black, you don't kill someone just because you're wearing a uniform or a costume, I should say, you should be in prison and it shouldn't take a mayor to come out and push for the arrest or for a charge to be put down. For that to happen, I mean, it should just happen. The guy murdered another guy in plain view and he was wearing a uniform. That guy needs to be arrested straight away and that, in fact, I would also say the other cops that are standing around should also be arrested for not for being complicit. If there's a gang of thugs standing around and one guy's got a knee on another guy and he dies, the whole gang get, go to court. The whole gang are complicit in the murder of someone and I don't see how costume changes any of that. It just is common sense that if you take race right out of it and you say there was a murderer, a psychopath who murdered someone else just because he was wearing a costume. But I think that if you do put the racism in, there's a massive stack of backlog that's ready to burn pardon the pun and that flame is hard to put out. Josh is right. There's going to be more riots tonight as much as I agree with the protesters. They only gave them a fourth of what they wanted. They want all four cops to be charged with murder. This is very difficult in these other cases that were also seem very open and shut where we also had video where they also murdered African American people. We didn't get the murder charge. Even getting the charge is something getting the conviction is something else entirely. But I think that it's not just this one case. I think it's all the other cases combined together and that not just the people of Minnesota have had enough of this, but just America itself. I think they've had enough of this. They want to see the cops charged with murder and what they want to do is they want to send a message to the rest of the police officers that if you murder someone, you'll get charged with murder and it seems very basic and simple, but that's not how it's worked for a long, long time. Now, it's difficult as it is to move off of this issue. We're going to move on to issue two. You two, Trump tweets threat that looting will lead to shooting Twitter put a label on it. This actually started a few days ago when President Trump was harassing TV host Joe Scarborough saying that he was a murderer and there was a cold case out on him. This was actually not true. The person who died in representative Scarborough's office at the time had an aneurysm, something wrong through brain. She died on her desk right there. There was no foul play and there was no affair. The president continued spreading these false rumors about the Clestutes its family, even leading leading to the widower, Clestutes its writing to Twitter. He wrote a very beautiful and elegant letter asking Jack to at the very least take down the three tweets that falsely accused his wife of having an affair and falsely accused Joe Scarborough of murder. There was no foul play. Twitter refused to do that or to touch those tweets at all. Instead, opting for an interesting middle path. As we've been discussing this week on the Thomas Huncho, Twitter faced the Kobayashi Maru, a no-win situation. On one side, Twitter could completely remove the president as he is in violation of their rules and policy. On the other side, Twitter could do nothing. In the middle, Twitter found a middle path that has led only to more destruction. Twitter chose to label the president's tweets with a fact check button, saying that the president had no information or no evidence on mail-in ballots, putting up a fact check warning. And now, on the president's latest tweet, saying that looting will lead to shooting, Twitter put up a full violent warning, saying that the tweet could inspire violence, but that they should still put it out there and have it on their platform. The president didn't react well to this, copying and pasting the tweet onto the official White House Twitter, which was then also given the violence warning by Twitter. At the same time, the president has tried to move against Twitter, legally launching an executive order attempting to take away section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, which allowed Twitter, Facebook, Craigslist, eBay, other platforms online to act as a common carrier. IE, if Twitter was carrying some really nasty message, it wouldn't be Twitter's fault. They're just a common carrier. All of this has all come together, including the recent shooting. Dan, Eve, your thoughts on the president, Twitter, and we also didn't mention Facebook's come down on the other side, saying that they want to maintain a common carrier and they don't want to be arbiters of truth, adding just one more wrench into this already complicated topic. What do you think, Dan? Dan, it's a very complicated topic, isn't it? Who fact checks the fact checkers and who decides what is the truth? Because there's a lot that can, you know, even statistic can be interpreted to different, you know, two different ways by different people and using a combination of them to try and prove a point with a meeting information. That's kind of not not true, but we see that all the time. So that's very difficult ground for them to be able to manage, surely, especially without having a political sort of bias. And I did see the VP of the vice guy, director of ethics or something at Twitter. He like absolutely hates Trump, I'd say, it calls him orange man and stuff. And so you've got that side of it, which is, there's a political stance in it and is that right, especially de-platforming people, because you don't want to have harm on people and people we threatened and violence and incited or whatever. But at the same time, I don't know, it just seems like we're being choked as a society, you know, you've got police departments that are just set up now for, you know, name calling on the internet. And yeah, it's all a bit crazy. I know, again, it's 2020, so everything's, yeah, everything's crazy. Nothing in 2020 turned out like we thought it would. Josh Gagalla, your thoughts on all of this. Yeah, it's, I mean, first of all, it's funny because it's just so crazy, but it's not funny because it's happening during a very dangerous time. But where do you start? I mean, social media already is the arbiter of truth. Whenever they allow the search engine to put on the first page, that's not even say number one, on the first page, becomes truth to millions upon millions of people. And YouTube is the biggest search engine in the world. The second biggest and Google is the first and they're both owned by alphabet, run by alphabet, which is Google. And then on top of that, you have every other search engine that, you know, does the same. So if you try to escape, it still doesn't really matter because whatever their algorithm says, you kind of go to and find and then you can end up in echo chambers. If you don't do that, or you can end up in, you know, the, the, the real problem really is about technology and how we get truth. Now we're also entering a new phase in human society of what is truth. Because now we have these deep fakes. We have deep fake of audio, deep fake of video and it's very easy to do now. I come from a special effects background. We made special effects for lots of commercials and even movies. And back then it was extremely hard to do. You had to have full silicon graphics boxes, you know, millions of dollars are hard where you had to really put some effort in big learning curve. Now you download some crappy script, stick a, stick a YouTube video of Trump talking for 30 seconds and they'll map the face and you can type in what you want him to say and he'll say it. And of course that won't be the best version, but it's only a matter of time until it becomes indistinguishable from anything else. So truth is becoming a very, very vague thing and I'm not sure how society's going to deal with it. So in terms of this direct topic right now, it's at a point where if you do tell social media to be the arbitrary truth, then you get big problems. Like if you tell them, well, you're going to be sued if you do say something that's bad or you let hate speech or whatever, then that then causes them to basically not be able to function properly because the amount of data is just vast. There's no possibility apart from AI, which isn't there yet. The only way to deal with social media is social media. People upvote stuff. They unsubscribe if they don't like what you're saying. They get, they download you or they get out of the way. And that's how social media works and we as a society know, I mean, I know when I watch something, it's not truth until I fact check it myself. And I think the youth of today are a lot better at understanding that than the older generations. But I could go on. Ben. Ark. Yeah, I mean, I think the problem and what kind of gets people's tear up is that, is it's a private company making decisions to censor or make decisions or interpret information in a certain way. So we want freedom of information. We want people to be able to have freedom of speech. But in that same respect, we don't want people to be given a legitimate platform. I think the real question and the answer is through an open source software. When you have a service, privately owned service, which becomes as big as something like Twitter or Facebook or even Amazon, then when does that become a public utility. So when, when is it used in a way where people demand a certain level of neutrality, which cannot be given by a private company and the answer to that would be to have some sort of free open source alternative where at least there's some democracy in the decision making. On how information is is is is broad forward on that platform. So yes, like, you know, Trump, pop in often and say, was ballocks on Twitter, like isn't great. And this part of me, which is quite happy that, you know, Twitter then going and and stamp, you know, this disapproving stamp on his tweets. But in that same breath, Twitter could go the opposite direction. And then they could, you know, depending upon the people who are running Twitter. And they could just decide that, you know, that they want to promote and legitimize what he's saying even further by saying, yeah, this is this is factual or stamping with some other stamp. So I think during this entire pandemic, more and more people have become aware that a lot of these platforms, which use just like zoom, for example, which are private. It's not ideal that they're privately owned like we should have free and open source alternatives where at least there's some consensus, at least there's some. So, democratization, at least people who are using that software have a say in how things. Add to it or, or, or, or given a stamp of disapproval or whatever else. So, yeah, it's it's it's it's just another reason. I mean, it's a censorship resistance. It's the reason we're all in Bitcoin. Like it's the same for, you know, something like Twitter, like if you want a censorship resistant Twitter, then the best way to do that would be through a piece of free and open source software. That's not to say that there couldn't be some. That admin couldn't couldn't, you know, not censored, but you know, but I mean, it depends depends what the users would want. Like if if the users, you know, disapprove of content like that, then maybe they could, you know, some Wikipedia could be an example for, for example, like anyone can write. Any crap on Wikipedia or make edits. But unless you're able to cite those at its then it's done like, clear that there's a list, they can stay there for very long. So, I hope that we move forward into a future of free and open source software and, and, to Josh's point, the younger generation who are more internet native that they've, they're more climatized to this information revolution in which we're, we're going through. And they're better, getting better at different, I mean, they are better at differentiating good and bad data. And quite, you know, teenage kids are we are to recognize when someone's just speaking crap or saying something truthful and truthful. As a, as a human race has all this access to information, we need to be able to differentiate that data better. But then we also need to have some sort of consensus control over how that data is like platformed out to the rest of the world. And I don't think given if we're private companies is is the way to go. But, you know, that's me. I'm a coming. Moving on to the exit question, who would you rather be Zuckerberg still dreaming of being just a platform agnostic to the anything on the platform or Jack Dorsey and Twitter who now has to track everything that goes out on Twitter. Dan Eve. I'm sorry. I'd be neither because I would build an, oh, what? Okay, now I was going to say I'll build an open source platform. And then I'm going to share the platform that I have built later that it's not open source. So, but, but still my, I still, if I had loads of money, I would build a not an open source platform. The moment I just need to, you know, can't let anyone have the idea just yet. You could build a castle out of all the bricks that were thrown at you. Josh, who would you rather be? Yeah, I think I'd rather be suck. I just rather run the platform and say, you know, I mean, but he doesn't say, anyway, I mean, there's like thousands of people that have to look at horrific crap every day for minimum wage and go out like. I just saw some like, you know, crazy shit. I can't even mention it because the whole thing will be you, the world crypto network will be the platform different probably. Yeah, talk to us. So a docker on it. Just terrifying terrifying what they have to put themselves through really horrific the only way to deal with that stuff is AI. Because the poor people that have to look at that stuff. But yeah, Ben is right in terms, I mean, I don't, I think private companies should. I mean, he's right in terms of the open source. In my point of view, I think private companies are far better suited than the governments because governments are the true central source of. You know, they can be corrupted a lot easier than a like thousands and thousands of millions of private companies, but. But I feel that you really the answer is open source software and people choosing. I chose to get away from Facebook. Yeah, there's things I can't get away from Facebook like there's likes on every single page, but I can also put blockers to block the likes. But there is definitely an amount of work I have to do to put into that and you know, not everyone does and I do understand that. But yeah, Zach. And Ben, who is you be, Zach or Dorsey? Yeah, I know like I agree completely with what Josh says that. And actually I've noticed that during this entire pandemic, a lot of Bitcoin is for example, have like been decoupling, you know, like running all their own servers and running all their own e-mails servers and things. And that's cool. I think private companies are probably better do a better job than a government running something like Twitter for sure. You know, obviously that's why you know it's not got government run when I say it should have a level of democracy and consensus. I would want that through a free and open source solution. Something more like digital property, whatever else. But no, if I want it if I needed to pick between Jack and Zucker, I like, you know, I love the fact that Jack's a Bitcoiner. I love the fact that when you put in hashtag Bitcoin, you get as funny little goofy Bitcoin emoji, but in that same breath. Like it nerfs me that one dude can just say, right, okay, from now on we're putting this thing, we're going to put this little Bitcoin logo in because that's the shi min too. Yeah, so I need to say information. It's a lot of power to be able to shape information. It's dangerous man. It's day, I mean, and to that point, like, you know, arguably Twitter made Trump, you know, like the reason Trump is in power because of Twitter. So, Twitter could very easily unmake him as well. I'm I'm I'm waiting for for Trump to get by. I think that's probably the next next thing which is going to the next big news. Or cool, just going to happen is Trump will get banned from Twitter to be hilarious. But no, Zuckerberg Jack. I don't know man, like, uh, well, Christ, uh, well, Jack is a Bitcoiner, you know, come on, just just wrote down, wrote down with Jack. It's a trick question. I'd rather be the winkle vibe because they have a stack of Bitcoin and it can row crew. Can you believe Quentin Tarantino said that the social network was the best movie of the last 10 years? That's crazy sauce. I don't know what he's talking about. I watched it once. Who cared? Moving on. Did you know the world crypto network has its own audio podcast that I haven't updated personally in over a week. There's really nothing new on there. But I promised to update it this weekend. So you'll get some new audio podcasts probably in one big clump that you don't like at all. But we'll have audio versions because that's important because you couldn't just listen to YouTube with a video off. Uh, check out the audio podcast for the world crypto network anywhere where audio podcasts are listened to even on Spotify. I think check out Spotify world crypto network. I'll update this weekend really. Issue three, two sessions, 2020 Beijing out of patients after long wait for Hong Kong national security law plans to proscribe secession foreign interference and terrorism in the city. Opposition politicians warn that enacting the legislation through promulgation is akin to announcing the death of one country two systems. Many different articles went out this week announcing the death and the end of Hong Kong article 23 that was fought by the protesters would allow the Chinese government to extradite prisoners from Hong Kong. So you get arrested in Hong Kong, but you go to prison in China. You can see the obvious problems here. In addition to the end of freedom of speech in Hong Kong and the beginning of a Chinese style clamp down already this issue has spread. The protests continue and the United States is looking into dropping their favored trade status with Hong Kong, uh, ending a lot of Hong Kong's utility and value to China as it previously was a different port than going straight to Beijing. Now China will just be one country Hong Kong included many are considering getting out of Hong Kong many more will likely stay. Josh Gagalli your thoughts on Hong Kong. Yeah, Hong Kong. It scares me that China has such massive landmass as a huge the CCP has as a control over so many people and so much land and so much space and so many taxes and so much control. Yet they want Hong Kong as well. And Taiwan. And Taiwan. Yeah. And where does that stop? Where does it stop? Oh, someone said something bad. I mean, you can see other countries scared and this is one thing I do is where I do like Trump is he just doesn't back down to China. I like the fact that he's not cowering like every other president, everyone. Oh, better not say, who better to be turned around China. No, I mean what that what what what? It's saying that I you know if there was a war with China like a true war, it will really, you know, what's this? What's the quote from Einstein? I don't know how the third world war will be fought, but the fourth world war before it was sticks and stones. And then it really rings true. I mean, really, if there is a war with China, you can forget any sort of COVID inconveniences. Well, and we've seen nothing but aggressive action from China, especially I keep coming back to it building those military bases in the South Pacific. They took these islands and they built these islands. They dumped enough dirt until the island was big enough for an airstrip. Then they built an airstrip, then they built a little island and now they have all these little military bases all over the Pacific. So I can't think of anything more aggressive than that. Then of course what they did to Hong Kong where actual people live. Ben Ark, your thoughts on the Hong Kong situation? Well, I mean, there is something more aggressive and that's what the US does, which is they have US naval postings right outside China. China, China, Chinese haven't got army postings directly outside of the US. But no, I mean, yeah, it sucks, man. People should be if they want to have their level of freedom and detachment from China is what they've got now, then they should be able to keep that. The whole sort of China debate is very tricky. You know, the China's kind of from its from its very beginning, you know, the people of the island, they all work together to stop flooding. And that's how that's how China developed as a country and it's never colonized or done empire building like a lot of the larger civilizations. It's always just had tributary systems. So, you know, you just send money back to the to China. I think they're just using this entire episode to a certain more control over part of their country, which is exactly what a lot of other countries are doing as well. And Josh is so right about nuclear war like no chantsky, you know, he's spoken at length about this, the things we need to worry about as a human race are climate change. My made or not is going to be a disaster. It's going to cause mass migration, civil unrest, some scary shit and then also nuclear war like. And the doomsday clock, I think with 30 seconds from midnight and the doomsday clock and that was really set again at the beginning of the year. So yeah, COVID is scary and it sucks and you know, we've all had to change our lives and the way we do things. But it's really just it's it's inconsequential when compared to nuclear war and the effects the effects of climate on the human race. So yet another powder keg, you know, Hong Kong, Minnesota, yet another spark which could ignite the powder keg even. So yeah, with keeping on. All right, bonus side questions that's here in the UK, the UK is recently offered to have I think 300,000 Chinese citizens or Hong Kong citizens come back to the UK was the UK right to give up Hong Kong. And what do you think about the chance of these citizens to get back over? Should they do more that less of that? Well, I mean, that's that that's that was that was not an empire building wasn't it that was as being assholes and going out into the rest of the world. I mean, so for example, like the British like one of the greatest tragedies ever committed on on the planet was when we enslaved the entire of China to opium. So we liked our tea and our economy was based on tea in the trade of tea. We were selling opium to the Chinese and then using the tea we could get from the those yeah, but using the tea we get from the Chinese to entire economy was based on on the trade of tea between Chinese emperor because I think it was estimated one third of the population was addicted to opium. So the emperor of China said, okay, no more and he closed the port to the British. So the British stormed in with the first I think it was the first like ship which was like armored like a tank stormed in and just killed loads of Chinese people and then forced the empress to sign a trade deal which said that we could continue to sell the opium. So yeah, but in fact the British you know like we were the worst you know some of the news is the truth is that again that's another that's just like possible mostly that's another part of our great British history which we're just not taught you know like the opium was. But so what was the question. Well, I think it's a rare case where the British did the right thing they gave back Hong Kong. Of course there are 100 year treaty, but it's resulted in a disastrous effect. All of these people they left behind in Hong Kong. They're having their future taken away they had a 50 year deal. The people like it's not like. You know 23 years so half 50 almost. The people of China so if you speak to Chinese people from Chinese mainland then they kind of consider Hong Kong to be like this. You know these sort of mouthy kind of upstart so the so when the British gave back Hong Kong it was under the condition that they would continue to have a certain level of freedoms you know separate the rest of China. And trade freedoms. But you know the this is the part of the problem is that the China has the support of the Chinese mainland people which is huge. There's a big large mass. People and Hong Kong is actually you know quite this small accident. You can't really do anything about it like if the Chinese want to you know put in a law like that what can they do like it. You can leave and move to other countries like Britain for example but. Yeah there's not much people in Hong Kong can can really do if China. I suck, I suck. Hong Kong got the small tax legislation on the real issue is here as well. It doesn't want the Hong Kong revolution to spread to mainland China. I don't know if that's something they worry about to be honest. Do you speak speak speak speak to anyone from mainland China. The people. It's worth it. Yeah no speak speak to anyone in mainland China any citizen in mainland China and when I need but the majority of people in China they see Hong they have the same attitude towards Hong Kong is the the. The party does as well. Let's go to Dan Eve also in the UK you're a thoughts on Hong Kong. Well I think I think that you know well go up and move a continuing on what Ben said yeah the British were they were frightfully nasty back in the back in the days but then again everyone was and yeah I'm half more titties and so multi used to be like have they they were like pretty much owned by the British. So you know I feel it is a I've been colonized. Or is that colonoscopy know. But I have been I've not personally colonized but you know I mean. So I I've the roots etc so I know I know that it that you know there's obviously every country's had bad history though that's the problem right you look back and. Any country is pretty much all most of them have had war or started off from war or whatever you know let's we just need to forget about what's happened in the past and make sure it doesn't happen again in the future that's the main thing and at the moment you know we're seeing some craziness breaking off in in it well even with with. The two the Taiwan thing with the who as well and that the control that that sort of China seem to have over the who a bit or the direction they're able to sort of nudge them you know there's just there's just yeah boo for the who check out my song yeah. But yeah so something something waffle try try China yeah but I hope this situation gets better. Exit question will the world stand up for Hong Kong and will it work Josh Gagala. The world wants its Amazon prime delivery of its Chinese made crap they don't care about Hong Kong. Sadly you know this is the beauty of a $40 fairly fairly good mic you know I'm pretty sure yeah made in China yep I mean everything everything is made in China you want that to continue. Then you better not you know back up Hong Kong I think that's that's the story arc. And arc well the world stand up for Hong Kong. I think we lost a ban now. I see. No internet problems let's go to Dan Eve with a world stand up for Hong Kong. I don't I don't think it I don't think it will to be honest there's there's too much that's going with you know upsetting China because of the fact that so many people so many countries rely on them for manufacturing so much. Even the PPE that you know the a lot of the PPE that was being sent out and most of it seemed to be dodgy but it was coming from China so it's going to take a while for those supply chains to kind of you know to shift over but I think that that as a knee jerk reaction probably a lot of people are a bit more wary about buying things that are made in China and thinking well actually you know I mean they're paranoid about buying something for me they in like you know someone sneezed on the box or. That might happen I don't know there may be people out there there's some people there's probably someone in a bunker right now with an AK 47 and a stash of like army supplies and they're like they're like Corona Corona's are out there they're not coming out we're not going to the Corona's there probably they're probably American let's be honest but not posh in English bunker because they all got blown up in the in the blitz but yeah I can't. I can't remember what the question was now alright let's go to Ben back with us Ben will the world stand with Hong Kong. No because because because we everyone has this shit manufactured in China and so sad and sucks but then hopefully the people of Hong Kong will have a beneficial impact on its fans it's the van's shoe company when they did that contest for people to design a shoe and then someone design a shoe which was you know paying homage to the Hong Kong protests and then fans decided not to let that design compete in the competition and everyone kicked up a first like fans I thought you were like a cool company it's like we go all the shit manufactured in China so you know they have a wrench over our decision making. Now capital needs to grow China's good at making stuff and it makes stuff cheap we can't compete we can't compete with with with their production and the way in which they produce things they can go from you can go you know go to what's up what's up flipping place just outside of Hong Kong. Where you can you can you can go from an idea in your head to mass production within a week and in the UK it would just take months and months and months to get to that point no so yeah we all sucks it's all sad. We can't compete but robots can so the robots can we all can't compete against Chinese robots yeah well it's the robots war who can manufacture faster. Can you imagine if we lived in a world fully automated robots just make everything like we could have we could have a foreign it be a forest planet man we go back to like we'd have like the forest of end or planet and we'd have all of our food picked by these little robots climbing up trees and things that's great that that's the way forward is. Oh I just I just imagine sorry I just imagined like lying and I was like oh what would you do there's robots do everything like they would do all the work AI would do everything so I imagine just like being sat there or lying like by a river and like loads of chip I was going to say like cherubs but like robotic cherubs are feeding me grapes and wine and I'm like oh like this is this is this is the point like ancient Greece they didn't work you know two thirds of the population was slaves so there's a lot of people. The Greek citizens are on eating grapes and oven or Jesus said they don't work slaves probably worked quite heart and algae yeah no the slaves were but they were they were Greek citizens but this is the point like we could have we could work towards a society which doesn't work instead of slaves we could use the robots. Until you get the robot uprising and you know they need power from somewhere so we can be the battery and the matrix. I said in the matrix where also you humans just can't be happy like they tried to give you a perfect world and you kept rejecting it you want the struggle you want the strife I disagree with everyone I think that the world is going to stand up to Hong Kong for Hong Kong to China I just don't think it's going to matter. We've already seen Trump proposed sanctions we've already seen German legislators talking hard against Hong Kong thinking about canceling the EU China summit I think China's already game all of this out they think all of these things are acceptable losses I don't think they've lost anything they care about and they're going to get one of the two things that we know they do care about number one Hong Kong number two Taiwan or for Moshe so the Chinese March continues. Never mind the Sudayton land or Austria or Poland China has always had those countries they've always been part of territorial China moving on to issue four I think it is the world just keeps going this week coronavirus our states reopening ahead of White House guidelines a recent report showed that all states except for the state of Illinois had not shown a downward trend. Downward trend of 14 days in coronavirus cases if you don't have a downward trend according to the president's own orders on coronavirus you're not supposed to open but the truth is everyone in the United States is tired of being on lockdown they've got lockdown fever they want to go get their haircuts they want to go discount shopping they want to go to casinos and malls and crowded restaurants and crazy pool parties out in the South. They want to have a good time and they don't care about the virus anymore so they've decided to ignore it and to pretend that it never happened despite 100,000 dead people and the simple fact that the virus is still out there let's see let's go to Dan Eve first Dan are you ready what do you think about the United States reopening perhaps early and the rest of the world where they have contained the coronavirus reopening do you think that will be a good example of the world. I'll see a second wave soon. I'm still I'm still like fairly optimistic on on I'm thinking it's it's spread a lot further than we actually thought it has you know initially and and so we've probably got a bit more I think hopefully we've got a bit more herd immunity. I'm not talking about the US because I've really I've had my head down in work really like some core projects which are waffle on about there but the in the UK dominant coming is the guy that basically one of the people is like he's not even like elected he's just like I know he's like some scruffy dude that turns up and helps Boris out is like his friend or something and he got caught like doing a 250 mile trip to when we're in lockdown like the peak of the world. And then when he said when when when he was called up on it. He said oh yeah whilst he was there they said you also went to a like a castle you know to hang out and he was like oh yeah I had to drive 60 miles because my my eyesight wasn't very good so I needed to drive 60 miles to make sure that I could drive the 250 back the next day or whatever it was. But as much as he's a complete twat everyone can thank him because we're now like they expedite it opening up early because they need to take attention from Doris and his is grew. Amazing story I didn't know about the castle part that's great. Ark your thoughts on the coronavirus and perhaps reopening too soon. Yeah I mean like there I mean there are checks on power so I mean I think I do think in the US generally the US citizens do want to just reopen and and and it's getting the hat but I'm in the UK we've we've had a similar thing with with Boris saying that he's going to open schools in a month's time or whatever. And I'm still I still pay my dues for the teaching union even I don't teach any more and I get any miles more or less daily from the teaching union saying we're not if I can go back to school it doesn't matter what Boris is saying so there are some checks on power here when it comes to some of the unions who. I mean so unique it's to go back to school so their parents can then go back to work. But you know the teaching unions have said that you know they they they don't think that the teachers can go back to can be safe if they go back to work and they they have they can't the certain assurances which which they want from government which government can't give them just yet. That being said I know in the in the US is kind of a little bit different and if they decide to open up they can they can they can re it's a choice you know if you want to reopen reopen you're going to have infections and then you're going to have people dying and it's going to start. But I mean that's going to happen anyway I suppose but over a longer drawn out time frame where maybe the houses can can cope with it so you know it's. I think what we're probably having the UK is kind of taking the far off the break and then letting people get infected and trying to keep it flat so. So how service can can cope with the pressure but I mean I mean it's I I'm with that I do really hope that most a lot of more people have been affected than we think have been infected. But there's the pessimist in me can't help but think that that's not true and test we just need data we need testing and then we need contact tracing and we need more data and then we can make informed decisions but making a rash decision and just saying yeah. Well, you know society stop. Engaging again as you were before as if nothing happened. I think can be obviously dangerous and the like wow I hope it works for you for the US you know good luck. Well and we did have a similar situation here where Donald Trump as president commanded the churches to open he doesn't even really necessarily have authority over churches but at the same time just as you're saying then individual church leaders said hey we're not ready to open up. We're not ready to open up yet we don't really want to get all of our people together in one big room have them all coffins these on each other potentially spread this virus all around and your reward for going to church is bringing the virus home to your family. So I think there was a lot of level headed there have been some people that said no but certainly there are other people their entire business depends on reopening these people with the pool parties and all the drinks and all the alcohol. Like they can't have that without that party thing like that the drinking the whole selling the whole vacation thing. I mean if they want to sacrifice that ground patterns for that then you know whatever this you know such. And that's that's something that I think maybe they're willing to make as a decision for the older people there's a lot of lack of concern for the elderly here. But additionally this could cause permanent damage to the young people it's a respiratory disease there's been an antidotal reports of people who used to be marathon runners now they can't barely breathe other people who used to be very buff and huge come out of it very small and weak. It's still a very strong virus even if it doesn't kill you so I think a lot of people are being short-sighted but then again you know they got to get those haircuts they got to buy that discount stuff they got to go to the beach. I've never been to the beach they haven't been in a long time they really got to go Josh Gagala your thoughts on the coronavirus and the reopening of many countries. Well it's only you have to eventually I mean what are you going to keep the world closed forever the thing is if you even if you have one case in your country then there's a second wave coming. So there's no the only thing you can do is try to save your crappy shitty healthcare system that's obviously a fault here but let's not blame the healthcare system or the lack of infrastructure and the massive spending on the war machine let's you know let's blame the virus. Anyway you have to open eventually and here in in Germany they've opened for 15 days now pretty much restaurants are all open they've got certain makes sense rules and people are sort of making them up by themselves anyway they don't really need a government telling them what to do because people are fearful for their lives do you know they don't want to want a respiratory disease. So people wear masks when they go inside somewhere the the waiters and helps help staff wear masks they take them off as well you sort of you know use a lot of hand sanitizer it's it's just it's a new little world for a while but I think eventually we're going to have to have heard immunity one way or the other and that's the only way to stop the virus is no point hiding at home. I think you need a better way of protecting the elderly most Western countries generally tend to just throw their elderly into nursing homes and and you know so the care really is is not that good anyway there but then you also get maybe that's even a better system because it places like Spain and Italy where the elderly live with the families at home that that could be more dangerous if you have an open. So I think it's a good way to get a better place to stay and get a better place for everyone to walk around and have contact but the day there's also another side to this which is a really sad side and and that's domestic abuse and domestic abuse is through the roof especially when you get massive frustration because you're losing your job or you don't have the money and and you're already a crazy guy or a woman that's abusing the husband I don't know there's this you know both sides but generally it's it's it's men using women and women being totally helpless being stuck. So it's in a house with their abuser saw horrific story out of Russia where it's it's it's it's really sort of showcase there there was a woman with two hands that had been chopped off by the by the abusive husband and and you know to leave the house you have to have a phone with a QR code that tells you you're allowed to like leave and so even if you if you have the keys and you walk out it's still not good enough and safe to enough for you and so. Seeing both sides of the story here where there is a lot of bad that happens from forcing everyone to lock down and eventually you have to open up you can't run society where everyone sits at home somebody needs to man the farm someone needs to do all the stuff that these essential workers. Last so long so I think it's time that we have appropriate measures like really taking care of isolating the elderly and people that are that is you know. You know compromise and and let's you know slowly get back to to work that's that's the only way I see it but do it do it sensibly. Exit question Dan Eve will we see another lockdown this fall globally or just in the US. I don't I don't think you will know I reckon there's there's enough like I know this vaccine trials there's there they're getting a lot better with the therapeutics they realize that slapping people on the ventilator just kills them i'm not laughing at that as in like you know there was so much weight to. Yeah we're all the ventilators we know all the ventilators in the world and like you know what's trying to buy ventilators and then they're like. I don't know if you think about it is the very last hour or don't use the ventilators so i'm but I think that now if there is a second wave think about like this the biggest panic from the first wave was that like no one was stocked up they're like oh god idiots we should have we should have stocked the squirrels with a nuts should have. Stocked on nuts for the winter just in case you the pandemic comes whatever in stocked our masks and now everyone's been on overdrive so we're going to have like equipment all over the place there's there's there's not going to run out of hand sanitizer so and stuff like that and so I think it i think it's going to be kept on the control a lot easier. Ben Ark second lockdown this fall yeah i yeah i mean i think i. I'm Josh i'm not mean it's doxy by no you're in Germany Germany of of handled the situation incredibly well and germans just inherently have like a natural social distancing from one another and they're very good at also being very slightly say just just being sensible and taking sensible measures so i imagine somewhere like Germany is it's it's ready to start opening up. Whereas I think maybe some of the decision making in that how do you educate it I think it helps that a lot of the people who are in charge don't give. You know you've got angle of medical use you know an export physics professor or something and then the US have a sort of reality TV staff are there there president so I don't think that helps you know that he says quite sensationalist things and there's as often to kind of talk down the crisis whereas you know other politicians like you. German, Germany's are much more. Scientific and evidence based so i think probably opening up journeys a good idea you know clearly your health services is handling it and clearly the citizens will conduct themselves in a way which isn't going to infuck everyone I think in the US however. I don't know I again I just you know I will look at the US to the YouTube whatever through the TV so but I do feel that if they just open up there will be another way of a lot of death and and and rest and it's going to be very sad and and then there'll be another lockdown. I mean as opposed to point is that we're all autonomous beings and even if you were in a country which has opened up then you know observe social distancing where a face mask like i'm a maize to how many Bitcoin is haven't seized upon the face mask you know you got James and lap doing all these talks for years. About trying to obscure identity in front of CCTV the house the perfect excuse we can all walk around with face mask all the time and they don't know where we are they don't know who we are so it's it's you know like even if you don't believe in coronavirus and you don't think that it's it's anything to worry about and it's just call whatever where a face mask when you go out brilliant yeah yeah I was. Just the other day I went to the post office and I had a world my cowboy hat and I had like this red dead redemption style mask over here walking in with a duffle code I just looked so sketchy man I looked like such a sketch and everyone's like oh yes come in sir I went over and I yeah I like I really thought I could I stick him up mother you know. It's amazing but it is one of the fears with the rally yesterday in Minnesota maybe one of the reasons it got violent so quickly or they started destroying things so quickly is it everyone was embolded because they were wearing a mask even the reporter who was reporting on the show tried to keep wearing a mask he clearly was sweating through it and talking through it and it wasn't quite working and eventually he gave up and he tried a different mask and all those kind of things but to see these things. The mask become popular is quite a surprise and like Josh is saying very very bad for facial recognition very good for individual humans we even talked about it on the Bitcoin group before the coronavirus was the only issue in the world we could talk about it we talked about facial recognition Josh good go your thoughts will there be another lockdown in the fall. I don't think so because lockdowns only really work in the very very beginning like truly work the only way lockdowns work is to stop to flatten the curve to protect hospitals but if you're trying to stop the virus they only really work in the beginning that's why China was so successful they could really smash it in the beginning and stop it I mean I don't know the true story maybe they have got a heap of cases still I'm not sure but what they what the narrative was what came out of China was that they stomp this thing in the beginning of course escape the mainland and of course we have the mess we have now but I really like what Krutter, I've just said you know really it's everyone who's ready now. When when I started prepping in February like mid February I started seeing this thing and we had already masked with solar. And then I went from a drug store to drug store to drug store, try and ask, hey, if you've got masks, we got not sold out, not, not, we had all these Asians coming in first, because they've like used to it that I know masks, we grabbed them all. But this now, even, you know, it's only like what, two months now or three, and masks everywhere, everywhere. I mean, they're not in 95s, but they're better than nothing. And I don't, I think I was looking actually at the latest trend in flu and a flu trends down like crazy, because everyone's so careful. So I think, I think we'll have, I don't, I don't think we'll have another lockdown. I think people were just eight over and be more prepared. Sadly, I have to disagree with Josh on this one. I get what you're saying that we do have to open the economy at some point, or we do have to have some workers continue to work as they've been doing with the so-called essential grocery workers, the essential meat packing plants, these essential truckers. There's a whole secret system we don't even know about. It's all very essential that's keeping us running. But I really do wish in the United States we could have gone two more weeks, maybe a month and a half of the lockdown. If you look at the curve, we managed to flatten it, but we didn't quite get that other half where the curve goes down. And that means to me that the virus is still out there and the curve could go up. So I think we're expecting a second lockdown and a second outbreak of the virus. And it's all going to be preventable, like Ben was saying, it's going to be much sadder because it's preventable. But Josh, I'll allow you to talk. You can talk. Sorry, mate. With the curve, you really have to look at not cases because it's only the amount you measure. It's about dead. That's the curve you've got to measure because that's the only curve that's truly measurable. Now, you have to measure also corona deaths, which is also a little bit trickier to measure because he was suffering already or whatever. But really, the curve has to be hospital capacity is the X and the Y in this. You have to measure deaths and you have to measure hospital capacity. So I'm not sure where the US stands in terms of hospital capacity for people. But here in Germany, we have, I think it was like 1,200 beds being used by COVID patients and 7,500 extra beds. And we're inviting people from France now, from Russia, from all these countries to, hey, bring your sick over here because we got capacity. And I think the US will end up doing that in terms of different states having more capacity than others. And really, I'm not sure I haven't been keeping too much track of the US, but the real troubling thing about the US, I feel is the lack of health insurance, which is backing the system, which is privately. We've also seen a politicization of the virus, a politicization of mask wearing, what's common sense in Asian countries has become a left and right issue here, a freedom issue of wearing a mask or not wearing a mask. So I'm not sure that we're really going to get the virus under control. If we look at historically the map of the 1918 flu pandemic, the Spanish flu, it goes up, then there's a huge massive second outbreak. And while it might not happen in Germany, I think it's going to happen here in the US. And again, I hope I'm wrong on this. I think Josh has some good points and I hope it doesn't happen, but we'll have to see. Moving on to issue five, the show never ends. Bitcoin is up by 16% post having. How about that Bitcoin? The third Bitcoin having happened on May 11th during the coronavirus chaos, but the king of crypto seems unstoppable. Despite the biggest financial trials of our times, Bitcoin was able to climb by 16% since the having took place. According to this article, it was trading at around 8,436 last Monday and started an upturn briefly touching the $10,000 mark, a bullish surge erasing its weakened crash. It is currently going up past 9,700 at the time of this article. Let's go to Ben Arck, your thoughts on the Bitcoin price following the having? Yeah, I mean, I think it's kind of what we expected. I think it was going to shoot up immediately, but it is going to start going up particularly because of the world economic crisis. Where I know what poor children investments, he's investing in Bitcoin, the US billionaire. He said it's the fastest horse on the track using it as a hedge against the infinite constant of easing which all of these countries are doing. I don't think we're going to have the level of inflation that some countries like Venezuela have had, but I think that it's going to clearly, you don't want to leave your money in cash. With gold being all bought up, Bitcoin makes so much sense. I think actually to gold with I think the stock to flow is almost the same as gold now. It would take I think it's 50 years to mine the amount of Bitcoin which are in circulation currently. If it was kept at a certain rate, the same right now without any more half-names and I think gold is 58 years. I think we're kind of in line with gold. The rich people, the billionaires, the people with money who they want to put somewhere which would be safe and they want to diversify their portfolios using Bitcoin. As we all know, the technology and the momentum behind the Bitcoin is so much better than it was. It only makes sense to just go up. It's as we predicted. It's not going to be immediate, but it will be fairly soon. It will go up a lot, particularly when it wants to be broken through $10,000. It broke into $10,000 yet. Where are we? It broke through, but then it went back down again. So it's doing that like wedgie triangle, isn't it? Towards the button against $10,000. It has to 10,000, three different times than it dipped. I think all the way to maybe 8,600. Then it popped back up to 10,000. Now it's in the 9,500 range. It's worth $10,000 then. There you go. And Eve, your thoughts on the price of Bitcoin following the having? Well, I think I wasn't expecting a massive mega pump to be honest. I just thought, and we'll talk about whether the price is halved in or not. I just didn't think it's the right time. If we weren't in coronavirus, people would have money. So I mean, there'll probably a lot of people did use their checks from the US to buy Bitcoin, but a lot less people have a lot less money. A lot more people have a lot less money right now. And mainly, you know, don't have jobs and short term holding Bitcoin may not be an option for them because they've got, you know, they've got bills to pay and not just because they've normal bills, but they've now lost X days of work and there's all sorts of other scenarios. But is it, is it, I think it was like grayscale that they've been buying a third of all mind Bitcoin and there's obviously, you know, still the volumes are slowly on the, sorry, my dog keeps on, I'll get it. Dave Brown's here and he keeps on nudging me. So I think he just wants to sort of get on screen a bit. The Bitcoin, yeah, moon, moon and stuff. No, not just the moon, but actual utilities and stuff. And yeah, moon, moon and stuff. No, not just the moon, but actual utilities and services using Bitcoin. That's what's going to make it grow and more on that later. All right, let's go to Josh Gagala, your thoughts on the price of Bitcoin following the having. It took from 1990, China grew to from a peasant country almost to competing with America and the tree. And the tree ends of an economy. The internet has a native currency. The internet as a, if you think of it like a country has a native currency now and it's called Bitcoin. And, and it's your time to buy a part of it or I hate that actually. Sorry, not buy a part of it, earn a part of it. And, and. Hey, hey, hey, you know, you should, you should earn it and you should spend it, you should buy it, you should do whatever you can with it and use it and remove yourself from the ridiculous state apparatus. This control nonsense start using free and open source software start using Bitcoin because it will, you know, that we all use the internet with COVID. It's in you, you see how fast the world's changed. It's, it's going to continue to go more and more online. As more and more companies start seeing that they don't need, you know, that the home office is fine. People will be online. They'll be using online money. I use it today to buy some Indian food. It was fantastic. Nice. It'll go up. Definitely agree with all that. And I think it's time to call on the seer of seers, the prognosticator of prognosticators, the magic eight ball that can predict the price of Bitcoin. And of course, we're going to ask the magic eight ball. Will the price of Bitcoin be higher next week? Here we go. We're reaching deep into the spirit world. It is certain. It is certain. The price will be higher this time next week. We still have to go around the horn. Here we got to ask everybody. Ben, Ark, will the price be higher this time next week? You're going with or against the ball here? Ben says up sticking with the ball. Dan Eve, higher or lower next week. I'm going to say higher. Yeah, because I don't often go lower. That's because I always go higher or lower. Well, if you look at the stochastic and the markings going left and right, it will say, higher. Stick with higher to the ball has spoken everyone agrees. I mean, it's definitely going lower. You should always do the opposite of the proposal. Propagal, proposal system. Where you should do what we say, because really we said the opposite. Moving on to issue six. It's a jam pack six issue show what a special treat. Issues six, John Carvalos strike for lightning. Twitter user John Carvalo Bitcoin air log well known for once. Angering Roger Vier to the point that Roger had to use a two fingers salute. Not the fingers that you're thinking of. And John is added again on Twitter. Politely asking Bitcoin companies about their plans for lightning. And I think it's time. I think it's time to start asking these companies. He asked cash app. Why don't they have lightning bit mechs Gemini Binance coin base cracking. Even a block stream and their green wallet. I joined in and asking why doesn't block stream green have lightning yet. So I think it's time to stand up to these companies and ask them why they don't have lightning yet. Let's go to Ben Eve. What do you think about the strike for lightning? We'll be asking companies to accept lightning and finally allow it as an option. Go ahead. He said, Ben, he said, Ben Eve. He said, Ben Eve, I was told, no, it's like. Better names. Better names. I'm not. I mean, brilliant. What a Bitcoiner. He's always been on the right side of history. You know, throughout Bitcoin's history. I strongly recommend you read some of his work on back in the day. You know, like with the Bitcoin foundation when it was when it was part of that and how he assessed it. And then he said, you know, it's a voice of reason in the space. And he's right. You know, why aren't these companies using lightning? Like why? And it's a good question to our spot stream. Like, obviously they have liquid and they have that project was there interested in. And it's a cool technology. There's some proprietary aspects. Which, you know, it's it's it has different functions than something that lightning. But it doesn't mean that they can't support support lightning. So having his rant at a back was having a similar rant about more companies except lightning. So I assume that green wallet will have have some lightning functionality sometime. But lightning is wonderful. It works so well. I use it a lot and I'm building stuff on it. The other people who are building things on it, you know, like if you go into some telegram groups. A little like really smart, interesting people. And they understand the power of just being able to send micro transactions for nothing. I mean, I think it's not a lot of things. And it's not just a lot of stuff for, for near zero, if not zero fees. And the so much that we look at this some of the spectrum RGB. Tokens and stuff which will be built on top of lightning at some point. Like that's so exciting to see to see that happening. So yeah, I mean, absolutely. Why aren't these companies accepting like using lightning in the infrastructure? Yeah, I want to we want to see more of it. And he's right to call out those companies. They call it they call out which bridge do exchanges and exchanges all. Crackens in there bit mechs is in there. Gemini is in there. And again, it's it's hardly calling out. I mean, we're dramatizing it. Maybe a little bit calling out. He said very politely to these companies. He asked them on Twitter. Yeah, he asked them all at once. So it's kind of an event. And but I like that. I think that's a good idea. And I think he's willing to ask any other country or any other company as well. That's not on this list. So if you think of one that's not on this list, I thought of a block stream green. Because I use it and I'm wondering where the lightning update is. I want to use the lightning network. If I want to use the best wallet, I thought it was block stream green. But if it's not, I have to go to some other wallet to get my lightning action. That doesn't make sense to me. They should fix that. Well, let's not for less to start one more point less is not forget as well that lightning the idea of what a unidirectional payment channel using a payment channel was when envisioned by Satoshi was envisioned sending funds to exchange is a high frequency. So that makes sense that some of these companies except lightning. And a lot of the exchanges celebrated it when it was announced as a way for people to move their money from exchanges. They could finally stop using a light coin or some kind of less popular Bitcoin like network. Josh Kagala, your thoughts on lightning. Is it time for companies to accept it? Should they add it to their wallets? Oh, yeah, definitely. You know, we have a tutorial. We were the first exchange in the world. Yeah, two and a half years ago to implement it. And we sort of wear a very small company compared to some of these big companies. You know, and back then there was no support. It was really reckless. Like reckless was not just a hashtag. It was craziness and but and and we implemented it very, you know, not to its full extent. But you know, saying that we launched for tour two and we haven't implemented it yet re implemented it yet. Because of resources and just to get other things moving. But as soon as we can clear up those resources. I'm on to it. And it's super important because we already seen in a couple of over the last couple of weeks where block sizes have started to get full again. We're starting to see the rise in in prices. Now is the time for us to open up channels to while the while the prices of block spaces a little bit cheaper. Open up channels now is the time to create create channels for these these companies should be creating channels as well. Because if we do have another massive like crazy bull run and the block start getting full and that's when you start seeing scammers coming along and saying, oh, my blockchain can do it better. Yeah, but that's because no one uses you. And and and and this is the problem that everyone starts this speculation into these total shit coins. I'm not saying all sorts of shit, but it it definitely brings in the scams when these are full. So the whole ecosystem now has to do it. And back in the early days of Bitcoin, we used to go from shop to shop. And that's how Roger Virgo Bitcoin Jesus as a name because he was like so into doing that and he'd be like shop to shop and we'd all be cheering on yeah, go road man, go to that shop. And and and we'd cheer each other on to try and get people to accept Bitcoin. Now that stopped a long time ago. Everyone no one really does that anymore. But now's the time to go to the Bitcoin places that have already that the Bitcoin businesses and tell them to use lightning. We have to get on get that sort of that that that energy back as a community because we are the community. We are Bitcoin. We are all so totally we need to go out there and get Bitcoin to the next stage. And that is pre pre confirmed transactions that can be sent in milliseconds and very fast and more obfuscated. It's it's such a beautiful technology to work so well try it out. And if you're sitting there in some sort of echo chamber, we're like, it's a scam. You're lightning is block stream and just try lightning stop stop just calling everyone out when you haven't tried it. And so many people that I've talked to that do go on about like how everything's crap and BSV is the bomb. It's so much better because it's you know infinite blocks. You just try try using lightning and you'll see how awesome it is because you've got the full power of Bitcoin, the full power of of this massive network that can never be 51% it really anymore those days are gone. And and and you can now pre confirm a transaction and then send it back and forth back and forth is beautiful. Do it. All right, let's go to Dan Eve this time. All right, I was going to I was like Dan Ark, Dan I was thinking Dan Ark would be pretty good. I'm just going to change my virtual background you see because I've got something special. We're talking about lightning implementation and is that all the maybe maybe this one. Oh, yeah, my video don't mirror it. Cheese. All right. Okay, I've got no, I don't have a great old geez right. I'll just put that up anyway. I'll give you I'm going to share my screen. So it really doesn't matter. All of that. Where's it? Okay, share script. So I've been working with Ben on lightning on the LNBIT. So Ben's been working on this amazing software LNBITs and it's totally sick. It's absolutely amazing. And you'll you'll get a short demo of how we've implemented it. Am I able to share my screen Thomas? It says disabled. I've disabled me. So we it hasn't actually been too long actually implementing it. It's really simply API with LNBITs to create essentially we create one time faucets in the able and that's how people are able to withdraw. We will do it's just in testing at the moment. So if I go I'll go share my little my little ding on trying again. Yeah, we go infinite. Right. So if someone's got a lightning wallet handy. I'm just sharing the screen. So for example, we're building loads of stuff out, but you can earn some Toshis from doing, you know, surveys like polfish, theorem, reach surveys. And we've got general other sat stacking tasks like supporting social media and competitions and stuff like that. And if I give an example, this is tester tester dot com. So like a quiz. So 1000 Satoshi's I know the answer already because it's our little arcade game, which is also open source, which I, I, you know, you're still your broads been successfully received. And here's bumpy big. I'm really proud of this. It's I just basically I don't say hijacked, but I took the code of a flappy bird clone. And so you can just like, I know if you can hear guys that it's that terrible music and there's little miners as well. Look at the miners. There's like ant miners. But anyway, but eventually we'll have a proper like hardcore arcade where you can like daily leaderboards will be giving sats to the leaders will be doing like games where you can challenge someone so you can like do a bet to challenge someone on on one of our games and then, you know, the challenge your mates or whatever. And then other stuff, but we'll get we'll get I'll go to the payments or process. So if anyone's quick enough or whoever's quick enough. It's going to verify the tasks that I've just done. And I'll verify those. And so if I was the end user and everything is, you know, just done in the background verification wise, I'd then go on to my count, I got my asset balances. And I would then go and see there's my 1100 Satoshi's that I've earned. I'm working on the that there's two columns. I just referrals as well. So if you refer someone, you get 5% of all Bitcoin they earn. And that that's currently that's forever, but it may not be. So that's a star sign. But for now, like I've, you know, we've been going for a while, but mainly shit coins. And we were we did have a shit coin called gigs, which the old CEO created. But I have now taken taking control. And so gigs is being being is going to be removed. Well, it's already moved from the platform, but we're going lightning and primarily. And so we're going to draw. Anyway, too much talk. We've drawn my Satoshi's get my QR code and some lucky person is just about to claim 1100 sats if anyone's watching with a lightning wallet. So just there's there's 1100 sats and you are test at test at rewardport with dot com. So people can someone claim it. People can claim it. And then they can get paid in lightning for answering surveys, right? Yeah. Yeah. At reward portal dot com. Someone get. And you can say, someone's taking it. Nice. That was awesome. As a company, pay people to take a survey. You could pay the people. Yeah. Lightning to take your survey. So it's a way to change the world. There's going to be like micro task gorilla marketing with with, oh, sorry, Dave. Um, for gorilla marketing with like, uh, like, you know, just pick, pick, imagine this year. Imagine like you, your company you want to advertise. And so you with geodraft graphic location, you say, right, is anyone by the, I don't know, the leading Tara pizza. And if the next, you know, the first person to kind of accept the challenge or whatever to get the reward. They've got to, I don't know, like shout, oh, Pepsi is the best or something like that. I don't know. So it, but it's really cheap. And it's like, yeah, for, for, you know, just loads of stuff. Don't know yet. There's loads. I haven't even thought of what's what everything we're going to put on there. But just go there and some sats real basic stuff. All right. Check it out at reward portal. All right, Dave need to stop sharing your screen. But, um, all right, let's move on to the exit question. Which company do you think will adopt lightning first? Given this list of just any Bitcoin company that hasn't accepted it, Ben, Ark, who will adopt it first? Well, I mean, like, uh, as Josh and I was done at both pointed out, uh, John Covello, like asking these companies to accept Bitcoin, uh, lightning, you know, Bitcoin over lightning network. Great. But give props to the people who are, um, implementing it into their software, you know, like, while Dora while done, like gets amazing, the first exchange to have lightning on, on, on Dora and like, you know, uh, done in implementing it for reward portal is absolutely perfect. And like, for us, was my brain, because I'm used to like, I get excited about paying micro transactions for something. And to do something can get a micro transaction back, like reversing it, the application of doing that is, is there's so many things you can do with it. So it's, um, it's time to kind of be creative and think about outside the box and what's most possible. So cool. Um, but no, I mean, I, you know, I hope all those companies start using lightning network. I don't, I don't really know which companies had, you know, don't accept it, because I'm primarily engaged with the companies which do accept it. Um, because that's what I get excited about. So, um, uh, I hopefully like junk of all of your follow up Twitter thread on all the companies who are accepting, uh, Bitcoin of the lightning network. How cool that is and how we should give them props and support those products. Josh, good golla. Who will be first? Come on, Kraken, you can do it. You can do it. Come on, Jesse. Yeah, I think Kraken, uh, I would like to see more wallets, but wallets is a, it's a bit of a bigger step because they might want to have to integrate with opening channels with the other funds and get a bit trickier. But an exchange like Kraken should be able to at least do step one, which is funding and, uh, withdrawing they can do later. Yeah, maybe, maybe we'll throw it. Thanks Jeremy. I, we have, uh, basically, there's a, we want to get the glass books protocol back up before because this is our transparency protocol. We kind of, uh, most transparent exchange in the world because of it. And, uh, since the launch, the relaunch, we haven't recoded it. So we're busy recoding it. It's got a Dan Eve, who will be first? We will be, we will be first. Um, but no one knows us. So, um, but you, I've got, I've got a shield. Sorry. Oh, God, I thought someone was banging on the bloody wall, but it's the, it's the book. Give me the dog. He always scares me. Geez. I thought I was being attacked or something. Um, so, yeah, Ellen bits. You got to check out Ellen bits. It's, it's literally just made the process so incredibly easy. It's awesome software. Really, really good software. Um, and yeah, I mean, I just think that is, there's all these solutions like that, that Ben's got with, um, uh, Ellen bits and all the infrastructure that we've got is making it so much easier for people to actually accept and use lightning. And that, you know, that, that's slowly going to add more weight to people, you know, to, to, to, it's use case. And the fact that the network's being used a lot more. That's going to, I think gaining a lot popularity because people will see it. And actually the developer, we added it, we had an argue, we're arguing at the moment, my dev, he's, uh, he, he, he thinks that the withdrawal should be right quite high. And I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, like why not just have like, I'm a 50, 50, why not just 50, 50, 50 sats or something like that. And he's like, oh, it's crazy. I was like, no, it's just, it's 50 sats man. Like why not? Why not? Why not? What a prove that you can literally have ultra micro payments. So, um, I might win the battle. Hopefully, I do. I just want to make sure they don't drain your accounts there. But it turns out it's a trick question, looking at all the companies on these lists. Certainly I root for looking at this block stream green really should have it cash app should have it. They're very cutting edge. They're very new. Uh, and then also I think Binance as an outside competitor should have it. They're just very hip. I don't know why they don't have it already as of just one more thing where they can claim. Hey, where the hippest, uh, but the true answer to this question is coin base will be last coin base will be last no matter what the technology is, no matter what the business model is coin base will always be last. They'll always be following. I don't know why this is. I don't know why they don't have any leadership. Uh, they were last to batching transactions pro tip open source software did that five years ago. We were batching transactions with open source software. So I don't know what's wrong with coin base. But I know they'll be last. Let's move on to predictions or a story of the week. Ben, are you ready with a prediction or a story of the week? Go ahead. Uh, yeah, uh, predict. I'm going to play with, um, the warpole. I was just thinking then like, could you do some sort of email campaign while you send out an email with some maybe some sort of like thing they've got to, they got a read and answer a question on to kind of answer or answer a question or something. And then when they answer the question, they then get another email with a reward. Um, um, being sent to them like, like automating it so you just get the rewards for another. Oh yeah, we can do that for you. Um, you do that. Uh, prediction of the week. Just. So it's what's called a, you're a part of a, we're a part of a conversation army. We all like building a little things. Then someone else takes those ideas further and build stuff. So, um, like, like, uh, like you can, you know, when someone's built some software, you can then build something on top of that software. So I could build like that email campaign on top of something like a warpole. Um, uh, or, or you can build services on top of a warpole as well. So, um, something which I built the past couple of days, which I'll share as well. I won't be long. I know, Thomas, you don't like it when we do these big long demos. We just get excited about the stuff we're building. And I got to say that we say, um, so both you guys build amazing stuff really always always impressed. So, um, there's you with your blipping glass box. So cool. Anyway, there's enough circle checking. Um, so what's, what's going on. Yeah. So, um, LN URL, which, uh, you're done using for, for withdraws. So, um, the way in which it works is, uh, your wallet is like doing a get request and then it's getting an invoice and doing the thing and the thing. So, an LN URL is kind of like a treasure map for your wallet to go and find the Bitcoin. So, you kind of thought like an easy way to sell Bitcoin over lightning is to sell an LN URL and you're not actually selling Bitcoin. You're selling a treasure map to the Bitcoin as the LN URL. And I've also hidden it behind. So, if I share, I've what can you see that I've also hidden it behind this goofy idea about buying these little space invaders, which I call LN Vaders, just, just silly. But I got the, I got a cool domain name so I quite like that. So, this is honestly very experimental. And if anyone out there decides to buy some Bitcoin on lightning using this thing like fuck your direct us as hell like, um, I feel nervous using it. So, the idea is that you can just like, you can buy one of these LN Vaders. So, there's like a $5 invader there and then it doesn't work because you know, it's a lifetime. Well, there we are works. And then you can go to your basket. You can add like multiple ones to it. I've got a limited amount. So, I think I think you know there's in like four of each, which you could possibly buy. And then you buy that and then you get emailed. I've actually got, I think I have to stop share and then like share the other thing. So, I've, I, what you get emailed like this little unique space invader. And it's got like this one of these LN URLs attached to it. So, you get a unique space invader on unique ish. So, I, so the black, the thing I'm saying is I'm selling digital art unique digital art. But what, and it comes with this little treasure map, which you can then used to go and get Bitcoin. I'm not actually selling Bitcoin. So, I'm selling unique ish and a bit shit digital art, which, which you could, you know, if you scan that, then you might be able to get some Bitcoin form. So, that's like a $5 amount of Bitcoin. So, that's probably like a gazillion Satoshi's or something that I can't even do the thing. So, that was pretty fun. I've just been building that the past week. And it's a bit goofy and hopefully I won't get point jail for breaking KYC stuff. But I think we can sort of scam away out of it by using these complicated and confusing technologies. I'm really excited to see. Are you allowed to talk about the other one you're working on is that? Oh, no, I'm not. But the reason I made that was because I got another thing I'm making. And, and what? Yeah, I got another thing we should be working on. And like, I needed an easy way for people to buy a Bitcoin. But in fact, then an easy way would be to earn Bitcoin, which is even better, which is, you know, using something like more. Alright, let's go to Josh Gagala, Josh Gagala, story of the week or prediction. Go ahead. My prediction is that people are going to jump onto rewardport.com and check it out. They're going to chuck. They're going to also check out Ben's amazing rare pepies on lightning. There those as was it someone said it in the chat. Yeah, I think it's it's amazing. I love all this lighting stuff. It's great. But yeah, I just I look with amazement at the world right now. And I just don't want to want to predict anything because it's so so not marriage. What's happening. I really feel for everyone that's and that's that's that's suffering and that are going to continue to suffer, especially for rights, start breaking out and shop start getting looted and and and all those people without jobs and wow, you know, it's it's a crazy time. So my prediction is, bless, you know, can't your blessings can't your blessings because the world changes like that. I predict that I predict that I've predicted the Bitcoin will go up. So I've got to be consistent. So I'll continue to say that. I predict that loads of you will earn some Bitcoin on reward portal. You may not be able to like the lighting withdrawals coming very, very soon. I'm pretty much just testing testing it and you know, final bits and bobs. I was going to try and get it done for out for first of June, but it's my girlfriend's birthday and she would freaking kill me if I was fapping around all day on on pumpy Bitcoin or whatever, you know, trying to get that out. So my prediction is that I am going to do my utmost to help reverse these troubled times by giving people the opportunity to earn Bitcoin. And if you want to list on our site or anything like that, just like getting touched with me. And yeah, like, yeah, I'm going to change the world, change the world, it's going to change the world of working on its head. I think we're going to head towards the end of the show today. It's been kind of a long one. We had a lot of topics. We discussed a lot of serious issues. I think I just want to close by quoting Deak Jackson from the fucking news, FK and news. He always used to end his broadcast this way and will mostly end ours this way. He said until next time, the planets fucked. It's all your fault. And there's nothing you can do about it. Have a nice weekend. Bye bye. Bye bye. Oh, it was a big button and meeting is not the right button.