TBG-387

ETF January? - $100K Bitcoin? - Passports - FTX Profits

December 16, 2023 · YouTube · All episodes
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Where the panel landed

Was the market now waiting for a January spot Bitcoin ETF approval, or had the ETF story become over-owned before it even arrived?

Thomas and Robert mostly agreed that a spot Bitcoin ETF now looked likely, with Robert reading Gary Gensler's discomfort as a sign that the SEC wanted to be done with it. Thomas framed approval as the practical settlement of a long-running absurdity: ordinary brokerage money could already buy almost anything, but still not a clean Bitcoin vehicle. They split less on the ETF itself than on its aftermath, with Robert seeing Ethereum ETFs as likely because Ethereum fits the existing financial order more comfortably than Bitcoin.

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The panel treated ETF approval, rate cuts, and renewed public attention as reasons for Bitcoin to move higher, while still warning that institutional wrappers and political affinity games come with costs.

What they were watching

The directional consensus was plainly upward, though not cleanly celebratory: Robert said $100,000 within six months was not crazy and later predicted $100,000 by the halving. The conversation moved organically through $100,000, $250,000, half a million, and one million dollars, with the caution that some of those numbers could arrive through dollar weakness rather than Bitcoin strength alone.

The ETF becomes administrative weather

Thomas opened with renewed reports of SEC legal teams working through spot Bitcoin ETF applications and a near-certainty narrative around January approval. Robert said it sounded like approval was coming, while Thomas argued that Gensler could only move the public conversation away from Bitcoin by finally settling the ETF question.

Ethereum waits behind Bitcoin

The panel moved from Bitcoin ETF approval to the likelihood of altcoin ETFs, especially Ethereum. Robert said Ethereum's structure made it more compatible with crony capitalist finance, while Thomas noted that its foundation, founder, rollback history, and business-friendly shape made it easier for institutions to understand.

Million-dollar Bitcoin without romance

Arthur Hayes' one million dollar prediction gave the panel a way to distinguish Bitcoin appreciation from dollar collapse. Thomas preferred a demand-led rise rather than a world where a Big Mac costs a million dollars, while Robert said a million someday was inevitable and half a million was already within serious view.

The predictor ball dissents again

Robert predicted Bitcoin would be higher the following week. The Bitcoin predictor ball answered against him for the second week in a row, giving the episode its small ritual note of staged pessimism amid otherwise bullish talk.

Argentina, El Salvador, and chosen friends

The international segment paired Milei's peso devaluation with El Salvador's million-dollar Bitcoin residency pitch. Robert saw Argentina's move toward the black-market dollar rate as part of dollarization, while both he and Thomas warned that Bitcoiners should be more cautious about politicians and countries that put on the Bitcoin hat.

FTX assets and the counterfactual acquittal

The FTX discussion centered on articles arguing that Sam Bankman-Fried's assets might now be worth enough to cover losses. Thomas and Robert rejected the implied rehabilitation: even if the bets later recovered, the issue remained the use and misrepresentation of customer funds.

Wikipedia, miners, and the public domain

The grab bag moved from Jimmy Wales' Bitcoin joke to BitsBeTrippin's mining anniversary and Steamboat Willie entering the public domain. Thomas treated Wales as a missed treasury story for Wikimedia, praised long-running Bitcoin mining work as persistence rewarded, and used Mickey Mouse to discuss the wider film-preservation damage caused by extended copyright.

Bitcoin and Friends returns

Robert presented the revived Bitcoin and Friends series as an anthropomorphic Bitcoin origin story with a more focused sitcom structure. Thomas praised the Vitalik-inspired character, while Robert described a long arc in which metallic butane's experiments and ambition eventually move him toward Ethereum.

It looked to me like someone had told him, scolded him perhaps a little bit or scared him or threatened him or I don't know, but he looked very uncomfortable.— Robert
If he wants us to move on, he has to settle the issue.— Thomas Hunt
To me, proof of stake is the existing current monetary system.— Robert
I think he's getting really what he, what kind of what he deserves, right?— Robert
Affinity scamming will continue.— Robert
I told you to invest at $300.— Thomas Hunt

Story of the Week

ETF inevitability before the January decision

The episode's center of gravity was the sense that the ETF decision had moved from speculation into administrative waiting. Thomas treated the approval as a basic market-access issue, something retirement and brokerage investors had been denied for years while stranger products sailed through. Robert agreed that it sounded likely, reading Gensler's posture as fatigue and pressure rather than principled resistance. Even the altcoin ETF discussion flowed from that premise: once Bitcoin gets its wrapper, the industry immediately asks what comes next.

If he wants us to move on, he has to settle the issue.— Thomas Hunt
The episode ended where late-2023 Bitcoin kept ending: waiting on the ETF, expecting the phone calls, and still reminding people that the same thesis had been available much cheaper.
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