TBG-232

PayPal Finally Accepts Bitcoin - $13,000 - 100 year HODL - more popular tha

October 23, 2020 · YouTube · All episodes
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Where the panel landed

Was PayPal’s Bitcoin announcement a genuine advance for Bitcoin or another custodial enclosure wrapped in adoption news?

The panel broadly agreed that PayPal was important for price and public attention, but not necessarily good for Bitcoin as a bearer system. Martin was the clearest skeptic, stressing that PayPal users would not hold private keys or withdraw coins, while Josh treated it as a major payments-network milestone despite the custody problem. Thomas split the difference, celebrating the long-awaited headline while warning that PayPal’s habits of freezing and reversing accounts would follow Bitcoin into its database.

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The panel expected stronger adoption and higher institutional demand, but repeatedly separated price optimism from Bitcoin’s original self-custody and monetary-freedom claims.

What they were watching

The directional read was guardedly upward, with PayPal treated as the immediate news catalyst and the halving, institutional buying, and failing local currencies treated as broader supports. The organic levels were Bitcoin around $13,200 during the episode, Josh’s one-week target around $15,000, and Thomas’s callback joke about PayPal pushing Bitcoin over $1,000 a coin. Martin expected a short-term drop before any renewed move higher, describing the usual “bar Simpson” shape.

PayPal’s closed Bitcoin product

The opening segment centered on PayPal finally accepting Bitcoin after years of speculation. Martin argued that the inability to withdraw made it useful for price but weak as Bitcoin, while Josh saw a large payments network adding Bitcoin rails even if most settlement stayed inside PayPal’s database. Thomas emphasized that PayPal’s reversal and account-freezing culture would likely survive the move into Bitcoin.

Which lasts longer, PayPal or Bitcoin

The exit question produced quick agreement that Bitcoin would outlast PayPal. Martin doubted PayPal would ever allow proper withdrawals, while Josh and Thomas argued that PayPal would need to hold real Bitcoin if customers could spend against balances. The answer was less triumphal than structural: a finite asset is a dangerous thing for a payments company to fake.

Price, PayPal, and weakening currencies

The panel connected the week’s move to $13,200 with the PayPal announcement, insider awareness of the announcement, the halving, and global currency weakness. Martin focused on Brazil, Argentina, and Turkey as places where Bitcoin’s rise could reflect local currency failure rather than Bitcoin suddenly becoming better. Josh added the practical problem that the same states with weak money also make it hard to import Bitcoin infrastructure.

Bitcoin before the collapse

The conversation moved from country price records into the harder problem of timing adoption before a crisis. Thomas recalled Cyprus as an early example where Bitcoin was more symbol than available tool, while Josh noted that Venezuela showed how hard it is to spread Bitcoin after people have already lost most of their value. The panel’s landing was that Bitcoin may eventually line up with the right country at the right moment, but it has not reliably done so yet.

MicroStrategy and the 100-year hold

Michael Saylor’s claim that MicroStrategy would hold Bitcoin for 100 years became a discussion about institutional money, long time horizons, and inheritance. Martin welcomed Saylor’s conversion and said he would keep his own coins for 100 years, while Josh compared the mentality to forestry and multi-generational planning. Thomas was more detached, comparing Bitcoiners welcoming bankers to towns temporarily flying Hannibal’s flag while Rome remained.

Inheritance, lost keys, and ancient code

The 100-year question turned practical when Josh raised inheritance and Pamela Morgan’s work, and Martin described Shamir-style key splitting with a Trezor Model T. The group agreed Bitcoin would likely still exist in a century, though Thomas imagined it as ancient code whose movements would be rare and newsworthy. The tone was long-term, but wary of the basic human problem that holders die and keys disappear.

Bitcoin bigger than sex, according to Reddit

The panel treated the “Bitcoin more popular than sex” item as entertainment based on subreddit counts rather than a serious social metric. Josh used it to riff on phones, COVID distancing, and younger generations, while Martin pointed out that people searching for sex were not necessarily going to Reddit. The segment became a comic bridge into national currencies, savings accounts, negative interest rates, and Bitcoin as either religion, political party, or tax-exempt citadel project.

Room 77 closes

Josh’s story of the week was the closure of Room 77 in Berlin, one of the earliest physical Bitcoin bars. The panel treated it as an end of an era, not because of volume, but because it gave early Bitcoin a lawful, visible, real-world example beyond Silk Road headlines. Thomas recalled the Kreuzberg Bitcoin neighborhood and the value of a place where a burger and a beer could stand in for a whole theory of adoption.

It's good for the price of Bitcoin, but not good for Bitcoin because not your private keys, not your coins.— Martin
This is an extraordinary move. I think it's a baby step in the right direction, even though you can't withdraw it to your wallet.— Josh Gagalla
You can always trust PayPal to freeze your account when you've done nothing wrong.— Thomas Hunt
Bitcoin will eat their local currency.— Martin
you need to get it popular before an economic collapse.— Josh Gagalla
We didn't have any examples like that before Room 77 in Berlin.— Thomas Hunt

Story of the Week

PayPal enters Bitcoin without private keys

PayPal dominated the episode because it joined a long list of things the show had talked about for years before they finally happened. The panel treated the announcement as both validation and compromise: a major payments company was finally offering Bitcoin, but doing so inside a custodial system where balances could be frozen, reversed, and kept off-chain. That made the story less about permissionless money arriving at PayPal than PayPal building a Bitcoin-shaped product inside PayPal. The discussion also linked directly into the week’s price rise, the broader institutional turn, and the question of whether legacy finance was adopting Bitcoin or merely learning to warehouse it.

It's good for the price of Bitcoin, but not good for Bitcoin because not your private keys, not your coins.— Martin
The week ended with PayPal inside the gates, Room 77 gone, and Bitcoin once again being asked to be both payment network and historical artifact.
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