TBG-193

#DeleteCoinbase - FacebookCoin - Putin Positive - Bitcoin vs. Western Union

March 01, 2019 · YouTube · All episodes
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Where the panel landed

Was the week's Bitcoin story really about adoption, or about the old institutions and new crypto companies revealing the same surveillance, fee, and trust problems Bitcoin was built to route around?

The panel mostly agreed that Coinbase's Neutrino acquisition was worse than ordinary exchange politics and that Bitcoin remained the cleaner answer to corporate coins, remittance fees, and payment-card tolls. Theo Goodman was the most openly suspicious of Coinbase and the most skeptical that remittance systems would be replaced quickly, while Dan Eve was more willing to accept regulation and mainstream company involvement as signs of legitimacy. Thomas Hunt kept framing the week as another case of intermediaries trying to re-create money, surveillance, and payment rails around a tool that already solved the core problem.

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The panel saw strong long-term use cases for Bitcoin against Coinbase, Facebook, Western Union, and Visa-style fees, but the near-term tone was cautious after Dan missed his prior $4,200 call and noted Bitcoin still floating around $3,900.

What they were watching

The directional consensus was that Bitcoin's practical case was improving as exchanges, social networks, remittance firms, and card networks each exposed their weaknesses. Dan Eve reviewed his previous $4,200 prediction and said he had been too optimistic, with Bitcoin still around $3,900. The panel otherwise avoided price movement and focused on institutions, adoption, and payment infrastructure.

Coinbase, Neutrino, And Hacking Team

The opening segment returned to Coinbase's acquisition of Neutrino and the presence of former Hacking Team members. Dan Eve called the history nefarious and a public-relations problem, while Theo Goodman argued that a company should know what kind of people it is acquiring. Thomas tested the devil's-advocate case, but the panel still landed on the acquisition as a serious breach of trust.

Why Coinbase Gets More Anger

The exit question asked why Coinbase draws more anger than Kraken when both list altcoins. Theo said Coinbase had accumulated distrust through support for Bitcoin Classic, Bitcoin Cash, and Ethereum-leaning public comments. Thomas argued that Coinbase had once served as the simple place to send new users for Bitcoin, but its expanded listings made that use case worse.

Facebook, Telegram, And Corporate Money

The Facebook and Telegram coin segment framed corporate stablecoins as another round of companies printing their own money. Theo said they could gain users because the networks are already large, but each stablecoin remains only as stable as its issuer. Thomas returned to the obvious missing standard: one interoperable internet currency rather than Facebook credits, Telegram time, and every other private token.

Walmart Coin As The Joke Winner

Asked to choose among Facebook coin, JPM coin, and a hypothetical Walmart coin, both Theo and Dan chose Walmart coin. The joke worked because Walmart at least implied a place where the token could buy something physical. The panel treated corporate coins as usable loyalty rails, not serious monetary replacements.

Putin And Russian Crypto Regulation

Russia's push for crypto regulation was handled with suspicion and satire. Dan said regulation could lend legitimacy and was preferable to an outright ban, while Theo imagined Putin needing rules to move or dump bags. Thomas emphasized the irony of a former KGB agent calling for cryptocurrency regulation and compared the story unfavorably, but still judged Coinbase-Hacking Team worse.

Western Union And Remittance Pressure

The Western Union segment revived a long-running Bitcoin argument: remittance companies exist because money is still hard to move. Dan said Western Union risked becoming the Blockbuster of international transfers unless it adopted Bitcoin. Theo pushed back that real remittance corridors often depend on family, trust networks, and local workarounds, so fee comparison alone does not explain adoption.

Kroger, Visa, And Merchant Fee Revolt

The bonus issue covered Kroger banning Visa credit cards at Smith's Food and Drug in seven states over fees. Theo saw a possible opening if large merchants proved they could reject high card fees and still keep customers. Dan noted that even small percentage fees become large amounts at supermarket scale, while Thomas connected the story to Coinstar and the possibility of lower-fee crypto payment rails.

Cashiers, Coinfest, And Weekly Debris

The closing material moved from grocery automation to Coinfest UK and end-of-show stories. Theo and Dan thought cashier elimination would take closer to 10 years, while Thomas predicted cashiers would disappear sooner and be replaced first by security guards and later by robots. The episode ended with NFT trust torches, Alex Jones on Joe Rogan, Patreon numbers, and the familiar fundraising crawl.

You know it's a serious movement because they've got shirts, hats and beanies and their own coin desk article— Thomas Hunt
I would be shocked if Kraken had acquired them, actually.— Theo Goodman
Have you held dissidents, be captured, and go directly to prison?— Theo Goodman
We're going through that intermediate period again where everyone makes their own coins— Thomas Hunt
they may become the blockbuster of international remittance.— Dan Eve
Cash here's will be gone in three years replaced by security guards.— Thomas Hunt

Story of the Week

Coinbase Crosses The Surveillance Line

The Coinbase-Neutrino acquisition dominated the episode because it turned a familiar complaint about Coinbase into a sharper accusation about surveillance culture. Hacking Team's history with authoritarian clients made the acquisition feel different from listing too many altcoins or supporting the wrong fork. The delete Coinbase movement gave the story a visible public form, but the panel's concern was deeper: a Bitcoin on-ramp had hired people associated with monitoring dissidents and journalists. That made Coinbase less a neutral exchange and more another institution asking Bitcoin users to trust the wrong people.

Have you held dissidents, be captured, and go directly to prison?— Theo Goodman
The show closed with Coinbase below Putin in the informal shame poll, Bitcoin still around $3,900, and the donation address back on screen.
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