TBG-187

Bitmain Evaluation - Bitcoin Worthless? - Bcash Split - Hydro Dam

August 31, 2018 · YouTube · All episodes
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Where the panel landed

Was the Economist right that Bitcoin remained useless while blockchains had value, or was the article another symptom of legacy finance misunderstanding money, incentives, and time?

The panel rejected the Economist article almost completely. Gabriel D. Vine argued that the same anti-Bitcoin arguments had been recycled for years without improving, while Thomas pushed back on the idea that blockchain has value apart from Bitcoin by emphasizing that Bitcoin’s blockchain tells a useful truth and corporate blockchains merely preserve whatever claims are entered into them. The second half of the episode turned the same logic on Bitcoin Cash and Bitmain: projects that broke consensus, chased control, or misunderstood incentives were now exposing themselves under market pressure.

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The panel was confident in Bitcoin’s long-term monetary thesis and increasingly dismissive of blockchain and Bitcoin Cash narratives, but still saw public understanding, media framing, and corporate malinvestment as unresolved battles.

What they were watching

Price was not the dominant issue in this episode. The market context came through Bitmain’s Bitcoin Cash losses, falling influence of fork campaigns, and rising attention indicators such as Bitcoin Reddit traffic, rather than a direct short-term price prediction.

Economist Calls Bitcoin Useless

The show opened with an Economist article claiming Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies were useless while blockchains might still have value. Gabriel called the arguments old and empty, while Thomas argued that the article failed at the basic task of forecasting Bitcoin’s trajectory.

Money, Currency, And Language

Gabriel introduced a distinction between money and currency, drawing on the idea that currency is current, circulating, and often state-issued, while money is chosen by the market as a store of value. Thomas connected that distinction to Lightning, asking whether Lightning might become Bitcoin’s more flowing currency layer while base-chain Bitcoin remains heavier settlement money.

Blockchain As Database

The panel returned to the old corporate blockchain claim. Gabriel explained that private blockchains are essentially hash-linked databases without Bitcoin’s miner incentives, while Thomas predicted that companies would eventually replace inefficient internal blockchains with ordinary databases again.

Bitmain’s Bitcoin Cash Losses

The Bitmain issue centered on the disclosure that the company sold more than 50,000 Bitcoin to buy roughly 1 million Bitcoin Cash. Thomas argued that despite every red flag, Wall Street dumb money might still fund the IPO because investors would see Bitmain’s past dominance rather than its strategic damage.

Consensus Breakers Split Again

The Bitcoin Cash fight between Bitcoin ABC and Craig Wright’s Bitcoin SV was framed as the natural result of leaving Bitcoin consensus. Gabriel argued that the people who could not cooperate in Bitcoin had clustered in Bitcoin Cash and were now repeating the same failure internally.

Bitcoin Cash Fork Choice

Asked which Bitcoin Cash side would survive longer, Gabriel chose the Bitmain and Roger Ver side over Craig Wright’s Bitcoin SV because Bitmain still had real assets while Craig Wright was pure vapor. Thomas noted that the chat preferred none of the above, treating the split as comedy rather than a serious contest.

Hydroelectric Bitcoin Mining

The episode then turned to a New York hydroelectric dam being restored for crypto mining. Gabriel and Thomas framed mining as a way to monetize stranded or wasted energy, with Bitcoin functioning as an economic store for electricity that previously could not be profitably used.

Reddit Traffic And Bullish Attention

The final bonus issue covered rising Bitcoin Reddit traffic for the first time since 2017. Thomas treated higher Reddit traffic, Google searches, wallet signups, and Coinbase interest as crude but useful signs of renewed public attention, while Gabriel described Reddit and Google trends as leading indicators compared with slower mining infrastructure.

the most useful thing you can do with a blockchain is Bitcoin.— Thomas Hunt
you've only frozen a lie forever.— Thomas Hunt
the blockchain thing for the last four, it's the same worthless crap from these idiots.— Gabriel D. Vine
Bitcoin is settled very quickly anywhere in the world in minutes.— Gabriel D. Vine
bit main bought it from you— Thomas Hunt
Bitcoin is good for the environment— Thomas Hunt

Story of the Week

The Blockchain Without Bitcoin Argument Returns

The dominant story was the Economist’s claim that Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies were useless while blockchains might still prove valuable. Gabriel treated the article as a recycled set of old objections, arguing that the mainstream press still had not produced a serious case against Bitcoin after years of trying. Thomas answered the blockchain argument directly: Bitcoin’s blockchain is useful because it records monetary truth, while corporate blockchain projects only preserve whatever claims humans put into them. The segment became less a reply to one article than a record of how long the same misunderstanding had survived.

the most useful thing you can do with a blockchain is Bitcoin.— Thomas Hunt
The episode left the Economist still discovering 2014, Bitmain still holding the fork bag, Bitcoin Cash splitting its own split, and a hydro dam quietly doing more useful work than another corporate blockchain pilot.
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