TBG-170

Bitcoin $16,000 - Ripple’s Rise - Visa Crackdown - Segwit Adoption

January 06, 2018 · YouTube · All episodes
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Where the panel landed

After Bitcoin recovered toward 16,000 and altcoins surged, was the market returning to Bitcoin strength or being distorted by low-priced tokens, Tether risk, and delayed SegWit adoption?

Tone Vays and Jeffrey Jones were both strongly bullish on Bitcoin, but their optimism came with frustration at the altcoin market and the companies delaying Bitcoin infrastructure improvements. Tone focused on charts, market structure, Tether risk, and the speculative rotation into low-priced coins. Jeffrey emphasized Bitcoin development, Lightning, RSK, SegWit adoption, and the difference between Bitcoin’s decentralized security and the market-cap games being played by Ripple and other tokens.

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The panel expected Bitcoin to move higher, reading the recent correction as temporary while development, SegWit adoption, and Lightning strengthened the network.

What they were watching

Bitcoin was discussed after recovering from roughly 12,000 back toward 16,000 to 17,000. Tone said he was very bullish and saw a possible run toward 25,000, while Jeffrey also looked for 25,000 within weeks and framed the prior fall as a correction rather than a trend break. The broader market context was distorted by altcoins, especially Ripple, whose nominal low unit price and huge supply made market-cap comparisons look misleading.

Bitcoin recovers above 16,000

The episode opened with Bitcoin recovering from around 12,000 to the 16,000 to 17,000 range. Tone and Jeffrey both remained bullish, tying the move to continued demand, technical strength, and real development progress rather than short-term headlines alone.

Altcoin market-cap games

Tone argued that Bitcoin could not be called a bubble while its dominance sat so low relative to the total crypto market. Jeffrey said market cap had become a gameable metric, especially for coins with enormous supplies that could appear large despite weak fundamentals.

Ripple becomes the mania coin

Ripple’s rise from around 25 cents to nearly 3 dollars became the main altcoin example. Jeffrey said ordinary people were asking about Ripple without understanding what they were buying, while Tone argued Ripple had no serious relationship to Bitcoin and existed largely as a centrally issued speculative token.

Banks do not need XRP

The panel rejected the idea that banks would need XRP to improve payments. Jeffrey argued that banks and payment networks could upgrade their own databases or issue their own assets, while Tone pointed to Ripple’s changing story and the presence of establishment figures such as Bernanke and Lawsky around the project.

Visa cuts off Bitcoin debit cards

Visa’s action against WaveCrest disrupted many Bitcoin debit cards. Tone saw the products as convenient but still tied to identity and legacy banking, while Jeffrey said the setback was temporary because demand would continue pushing companies to build better Bitcoin payment rails.

SegWit adoption finally spreads

The panel discussed falling fees and new SegWit support from LocalBitcoins, BTC.com, BTC.com’s mining pool, and Wirex. Tone and Jeffrey argued that Coinbase, BitPay, and Blockchain.info were the main holdouts, and that adoption by those companies would greatly reduce fee pressure.

Coinbase as the recurring problem

Coinbase drew criticism for delaying SegWit while previously supporting SegWit2X. Tone predicted Coinbase would implement SegWit late and badly, while Jeffrey argued that the company needed better leadership and should hire open-source Bitcoin developers.

China mining rumors return

The bonus issue covered rumors that China might restrict or gradually ban Bitcoin mining. Tone thought Chinese regulatory smoke often contained some fire, while Jeffrey expected mining to remain economically attractive and to become more geographically distributed as miners moved to places like Canada.

I'm very bullish here.— Tone Vays
the single digit coins. Now taking up the entire top 10 market cap.— Jeffrey Jones
Ripple is not competition to Bitcoin.— Tone Vays
Nobody needs it.— Tone Vays
Bitcoin is too popular too early— Tone Vays
Companies like Coinbase are not activating Segwit at this point. Purely for political reasons.— Jeffrey Jones

Story of the Week

Bitcoin rebounds while altcoins distort the scoreboard

The dominant story was Bitcoin recovering sharply while Ripple and other low-priced tokens drew speculative attention away from Bitcoin. Tone and Jeffrey argued that nominal coin price and market cap were being gamed by projects with enormous supplies, leading new buyers to mistake cheap-looking tokens for undervalued assets. The panel treated Ripple as the clearest example: centrally issued, not mined, not a Bitcoin competitor, and valuable mostly because buyers misunderstood what they were buying. Bitcoin’s rise, in their view, was being temporarily obscured by an altcoin scoreboard built on bad comparisons.

Ripple is not competition to Bitcoin.— Tone Vays
Bitcoin recovered, Ripple found retail gravity, Visa reminded everyone where the rails still were, and Coinbase was once again asked to do the obvious thing before inventing a worse alternative.
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