TBG-166

Net Neutrality, Tether Hacked, Bcash & South Korea, Dragon Mint Miner

November 24, 2017 · YouTube · All episodes
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Where the panel landed

After 2X failed, was Bitcoin’s next fight over internet infrastructure, centralized exchange money, Bitcoin Cash, or mining centralization?

The panel split most on net neutrality, with Thomas and Jeffrey Jones seeing repeal as a direct threat to the open internet, while Jimmy Song and Tone Vays were more focused on monopoly structure and market competition than the rule itself. On Tether, the panel was much more aligned: Tone treated it as a centralized systemic risk, Jimmy said the hack and multisig details raised red flags, and Jeffrey framed it as part of Bitcoin’s collision with legacy fiat rails. On Bitcoin Cash and mining hardware, the panel remained skeptical of B Cash while welcoming credible competition to Bitmain.

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The panel was bullish on Bitcoin’s price and mining competition, but worried about net neutrality, Tether centralization, Bitcoin Cash manipulation, and the fragile bridges between Bitcoin and legacy systems.

What they were watching

Bitcoin was discussed around the low 8,000s after a sideways week, with Tone arguing that the market was consolidating before another move higher. He saw a breakout above roughly 8,425 as a likely trigger for another push toward 9,000 or 9,500, while also noting that altcoins had been pumping during Bitcoin’s pause. The directional consensus was cautiously higher, with Tone expecting Bitcoin profits to rotate back out of altcoins and into Bitcoin.

Net neutrality under threat

The show opened with the FCC’s plan to repeal net neutrality and whether ISPs should be able to discriminate among packets. Thomas framed neutrality as the First Amendment of the internet, Jeffrey warned that removing it would be a slippery slope, while Jimmy and Tone both argued that the deeper problem was limited ISP competition and local monopoly power.

Competition versus neutrality

Jimmy said he would care less about net neutrality if there were real ISP competition, while Tone argued that bandwidth-heavy services like Netflix raise difficult pricing questions. Thomas and Jeffrey pushed back that breaking neutrality would favor incumbents, harm new services, and damage the open architecture that allowed the internet to grow.

Tether hacked and rolled back

Tether’s 31 million dollar hack led to a discussion of centralized chains rolling back their own ledgers. Tone said rollback made sense for a centralized token, but the very need to do so exposed why Tether was not Bitcoin-like and why its centralized reserves created a looming legal and banking risk.

Bitfinex and Tether smell wrong

Jimmy said his interview with Bitfinex’ed left him with more questions than answers, especially because defenders treated Bitfinex as if it were their own family. He pointed to the compromise of a three-of-four multisig as a major red flag, whether it came from bad security, an inside actor, or an unusually capable external attacker.

Tether as exchange lifeblood

Jeffrey described Tether as a liquidity tool for exchanges and altcoins that helps move dollar-like value without traditional banking rails. Tone argued that because Tether’s entire circulating supply is actively exchange-linked, its effect should be measured against traded Bitcoin liquidity rather than Bitcoin’s full market cap.

Bitcoin Cash rises again

Bitcoin Cash’s volatile pump toward the 2,400 dollar area revived arguments over whether it could replace Bitcoin. Jeffrey dismissed it as centralized and corporate, Jimmy analyzed the low-fee big-block thesis as a governance problem, and Tone argued that if Bitcoin Cash became heavily used, it would either centralize further or face the same scaling pressures it claimed to solve.

Free block space and abuse

Jimmy compared cheap block space to subsidized bread that gets misused once it is priced below market. His concern was that if Bitcoin Cash promises permanently low fees through governance, it invites spam, repeated block-size increases, and more governance to police unintended uses.

DragonMint challenges Bitmain

The DragonMint miner from Halong Mining and BTCDrak was discussed as a possible challenge to Bitmain’s mining hardware dominance. Jeffrey was enthusiastic about the chance to decentralize mining, while Tone remained cautious until miners were delivered, tested, and reviewed at scale.

you have a lot of ISPs that have pseudo monopolies over various places.— Jimmy Song
We have to keep, in my opinion, net neutrality at all costs.— Jeffrey Jones
tether is just a centralized scam token— Tone Vays
something smells really bad.— Jimmy Song
Bitcoin cash is better than Bitcoin in every way and it's the true original Satoshi's vision— Jeffrey Jones
I mean, you can completely eliminate bullshit trading— Tone Vays

Story of the Week

Tether becomes the centralized risk everyone watches

Although the show opened with net neutrality, the episode’s strongest Bitcoin-native issue was Tether: its hack, rollback response, centralized structure, and growing size as exchange liquidity plumbing. Tone argued that even if every Tether was fully backed, the project resembled e-gold because a centralized reserve could be seized or frozen. Jimmy focused on the strange security implications of a three-of-four multisig compromise and the unusually intense defense of Bitfinex and Tether by traders. The panel treated Tether not as a normal altcoin problem, but as a potential fault line between Bitcoin markets and the old banking system.

So to me tether is a really really dumb project.— Tone Vays
Net neutrality went to Washington, Tether went to the rollback desk, Bitcoin Cash went vertical again, and the mining monopoly finally saw another box on the shelf.
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