TBG-165

Square Cash, BCash, Bitcoin $8000 and the Wizard

November 17, 2017 · YouTube · All episodes
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Where the panel landed

Did Square’s Bitcoin test, Bitcoin Cash’s failed pump, and renewed highs near 8,000 show Bitcoin entering mainstream adoption, or simply another cycle of speculation and infrastructure risk?

The panel broadly agreed that Square adding Bitcoin to Cash was good for adoption, though they treated it as an on-ramp experiment rather than a revolution. Tone Vays and Jeffrey Jones were dismissive of Coinbase and saw Square’s competence as more important than direct competition, while Jimmy Song wanted to see whether users could actually withdraw or only trade internally. On Bitcoin Cash, the panel was united in skepticism, seeing the post-2X pump as coordinated, temporary, and weakened by poor development credibility.

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The panel saw Square, rising price, Lightning progress, and the failed 2X episode as bullish for Bitcoin, even while warning about Tether, Bitcoin Cash, and centralized services.

What they were watching

Bitcoin was discussed near 8,000 after the Square announcement, the end of the Bitcoin Cash pump, and renewed all-time highs. Tone expected the market to push higher toward 10,000 after possible consolidation between roughly 7,750 and 8,000, while Jeffrey called higher and Jimmy deliberately said lower after joking that his lower call the previous week had made price rise. The broader directional read was bullish, but with caution around Tether and the possibility that the move had gone too far too quickly.

Square tests Bitcoin

The show opened with Square Cash adding Bitcoin access for some users. Jimmy described it as another on-ramp and possible off-chain micropayment tool, while Tone and Jeffrey treated it as good news mainly because Square was a competent payments company entering the space.

Coinbase gets real competition

The panel questioned whether Coinbase was still the natural winner in Bitcoin onboarding. Tone called Coinbase a joke and praised Square’s likely execution, while Jimmy argued that the eventual Google or Facebook of Bitcoin exchanges might not yet exist.

Custody and user experience

Thomas argued that mainstream users need wallets that do not begin with seed phrases and difficult setup flows. The panel agreed that Square could help with onboarding, but Tone warned that the key questions were custody, withdrawals, and whether merchants or users actually hold Bitcoin.

Bitcoin Cash pump after 2X

The Bitcoin Cash segment covered its surge after SegWit2X was cancelled and Jihan Wu’s insistence on the Bitcoin Cash name. Tone and Jeffrey saw the pump as coordinated and temporary, with Bitcoin Cash benefiting from 2X’s failure before collapsing back toward prior levels.

Development credibility matters

The panel repeatedly returned to the question of who actually maintains Bitcoin Cash and whether its developers can safely handle major changes. Jeffrey used the failed SegWit2X bug as proof that weak developer process could have endangered Bitcoin if the fork had succeeded.

Bitcoin pushes toward 8,000

Bitcoin rallied after the Square news and the fading Bitcoin Cash pump, nearing or breaking 8,000 during the week. Jeffrey emphasized broad demand and CME futures interest, while Jimmy and Tone both raised Tether as a growing centralized risk worth watching.

Tether becomes systemic concern

Tone gave a long warning that even if every Tether was fully backed, the structure resembled e-gold because a centralized bank account could be seized. Jeffrey added that Tether acts as liquidity plumbing for altcoin markets, meaning a failure could damage altcoins heavily while possibly sending some value back into Bitcoin.

Bitcoin Wizard marketing debate

The closing issue covered the campaign to raise 44 BTC for a Wall Street Journal ad featuring the classic Bitcoin wizard. Jimmy, Tone, and Jeffrey all doubted the usefulness of spending that much on a newspaper ad, while Thomas defended the symbolic and morale value of Bitcoin culture promoting itself.

Well, absolutely. It's good for Bitcoin.— Jimmy Song
Bitcoin was created to eliminate square not for square to adopt it.— Tone Vays
The direction is towards Bitcoin.— Jeffrey Jones
it was a pump. It was a coordinated pump.— Tone Vays
The real question is is Bitcoin becoming a better store of value— Jimmy Song
The answer is Twitter, the amazing short message system— Thomas Hunt

Story of the Week

Square Cash opens another Bitcoin on-ramp

The dominant story was Square testing Bitcoin in its Cash app, bringing Jack Dorsey’s payment company into the Bitcoin on-ramp business. The panel saw it as good news not because Square would replace Bitcoin’s peer-to-peer purpose, but because it could expose ordinary payment-app users to Bitcoin with a smoother interface than existing wallets. Tone and Jeffrey especially framed Square as competent pressure on weaker incumbents like Coinbase, while Jimmy wanted to see how the product actually handled custody and withdrawals. The week’s story was Bitcoin moving closer to consumer finance without becoming fully consumer-sovereign yet.

The Square announcement drove up the price of their stock, 5%, and the price of Bitcoin up 11%.— Thomas Hunt
Square opened a door, Bitcoin Cash found another stage, Tether became the plumbing nobody wanted to inspect, and the wizard still needed a newspaper budget.
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