TBG-142

Bitcoin $1900 - Alza - Congress vs. IRS - Dogecoin Tipbot

May 19, 2017 · YouTube · All episodes
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Where the panel landed

Was Bitcoin’s move toward $1,900 a durable monetary breakout, or the beginning of a broader crypto bubble that would drag altcoins, ICOs, and retail narratives into dangerous territory?

The panel broadly agreed that Bitcoin demand was real, but they were more cautious about the wider cryptocurrency market. Blake Anderson treated the rally as part Bitcoin strength and part dot-com-style speculation, while Tone Vays warned that ICOs, Ethereum, Ripple, and other altcoins looked like a classic bubble. Chris Ellis saw a perfect storm of Japan, Bitfinex banking issues, OTC scarcity, ETF rumors, and ICO mania, but was increasingly worried about fee pressure, social toxicity, and Bitcoin’s failure to activate SegWit.

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The panel was bullish on Bitcoin’s price but uneasy about altcoin froth, retail adoption before scaling, and the unresolved technical politics around SegWit.

What they were watching

The directional consensus was still higher, with Tone watching Bitcoin near the $2,000 Bitfinex level, a possible target around $2,020, and a more bullish move toward $2,150. Chris and Tone both expected higher prices next week, while Blake also leaned higher but warned viewers to secure gains and prepare for correction. The panel saw extreme divergence between Bitcoin’s relatively orderly climb and the much frothier moves in Ripple, Ethereum, ICOs, and other altcoins.

Bitcoin Nears $1,900

The opening issue covered Bitcoin’s move toward $1,900 and the broader cryptocurrency market rally. Blake compared the moment to the Wild West, the 1920s run-up, and the dot-com boom, warning that some gains may not survive a pullback. Tone remained bullish on Bitcoin but warned that the surrounding ICO and altcoin mania could end badly.

Newton, FOMO, And Bubble Memory

Thomas introduced Isaac Newton’s South Sea Bubble losses as a cautionary chart for traders who exit profitably, watch friends get rich, and then re-enter too large. The panel used the example to frame current crypto speculation as emotionally old even if technologically new. Tone added that ICO traders should study dot-com bubble stories before assuming they can exit cleanly.

Bitfinex, Japan, And OTC Demand

Chris Ellis attributed the rally to a perfect storm: Japanese demand, Bitfinex banking problems, OTC shortages, ETF rumors, and speculative narratives. He said Japanese exchanges were persistently bullish, but also cautioned that zero-fee trading can distort reported volume. The shortage of coins in local and OTC markets made the rise feel more structurally driven than a simple exchange pump.

Ripple And ICO Speculation

The panel spent significant time on Ripple, Ethereum, Aragon, Storj, and the ICO fundraising wave. Chris was concerned about pump language, rumors, insider information asymmetry, and investors expecting life-changing returns from token sales. Tone argued that many token projects were effectively unregistered securities and that founders were trying to be public promoters without accepting public-company responsibilities.

Retail Bitcoin In Europe

The second issue covered European retailer Alza accepting Bitcoin and installing Bitcoin ATMs. Tone rejected retail acceptance as premature before SegWit and Lightning, saying he would rather see companies pay employees or suppliers in Bitcoin. Thomas noted that ATMs made the story more interesting than a pure BitPay-style merchant announcement.

Fees, Store Of Value, And Litecoin

High Bitcoin fees made retail usage less convincing and reopened the Litecoin discussion. Chris said he was exploring alternatives because his transactions were becoming slow and expensive, while Tone argued that if Bitcoin failed to get SegWit, Litecoin could become what Bitcoin was supposed to be. Still, the panel warned that switching from Bitcoin to Litecoin would weaken the idea of any cryptocurrency as a durable store of value.

Congress Questions The IRS

The third issue covered Senator Orrin Hatch and Representatives Kevin Brady and Vern Buchanan questioning the IRS’s broad Coinbase records request. Chris called the request a fishing expedition, while Tone argued that Coinbase users should have expected reporting because brokers already report trades in traditional markets. The debate revealed a split between legal realism and civil-liberties objections to surveillance-by-tax-enforcement.

Dogecoin Tip Bot Collapse

The final issue covered the Dogecoin tip bot operator admitting he spent user funds in a failed attempt to save the business. Tone treated it as another reminder not to leave coins with middlemen, while Blake said many business crimes begin when operators hide insolvency rather than wind down honestly. Chris framed it as a case where Bitcoin exposes whether a person is competent, honest, or quietly becoming a scammer.

The short was a wrecked.— Chris Ellis
Everyone always thinks they're going to get out of the top, but nobody ever does.— Tone Vays
Bitcoin will expose you if you deep down in your heart, your scammer— Chris Ellis
I think that's a lot of trust in a trustless space.— Blake Anderson
It's a possibility. It's a possibility and then people are gonna, all it will do.— Tone Vays
The answer is yes, despite the impassioned defenses of Mr. Charles Lee— Thomas Hunt

Story of the Week

Bitcoin Rises Into ICO Froth

The dominant story was Bitcoin pushing toward $1,900 while the broader crypto market entered a manic speculative phase. The panel used Isaac Newton’s South Sea Bubble loss, the dot-com boom, Ripple’s rise, and ICO fundraising as warnings that even smart people get pulled back into markets by fear of missing out. Bitcoin was treated as the strongest asset in the space, but not immune to overheating, scaling friction, or contagion from altcoin collapse. The episode’s core tension was simple: Bitcoin looked strong, but everything around it looked increasingly unhinged.

Everyone always thinks they're going to get out of the top, but nobody ever does.— Tone Vays
Bitcoin climbed, the ICOs learned retail psychology, and the Dogecoin tip bot reminded everyone that custody is just trust with a mascot.
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