TBG-080

Bitreserve Rebranding - Blockstream Liquid - BTC $260 - t0 $10M

October 16, 2015 · YouTube · All episodes
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Where the panel landed

Were BitReserve, Liquid, and T0 signs of Bitcoin infrastructure maturing, or examples of companies trying to use Bitcoin's credibility while avoiding its actual network and culture?

The panel was harsh on BitReserve's rebrand to Uphold, especially because the company appeared to criticize Bitcoin after using it to gain early traction. Blake Anderson saw the move as an awkward divorce from Bitcoin, while Tone Vays doubted the company's reported volume and questioned the value proposition of moving between fiat, Bitcoin, and commodities with new fees. On Blockstream's Liquid, the panel was much more favorable, treating exchange liquidity and settlement as a real market problem worth solving. On the price and T0, the panel was cautiously positive about institutional use, but Tone remained less impressed by faster settlement than by the future possibility of users actually holding their own stock-like assets.

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The panel saw useful infrastructure in Liquid and T0 and renewed price strength, but remained skeptical of rebrands, artificial volume, fiat exits, and companies that treated Bitcoin as a launchpad rather than a foundation.

What they were watching

Bitcoin had broken $260, with the panel watching Chinese trading volume, possible yuan devaluation pressure, exchange-specific volume shifts, and recovery from the Bitcoin XT confidence shock. Theo predicted roughly $272.25 on Bitfinex for the following week, Blake moved into the same range, and Thomas chose $275, while Tone declined a public figure because of his paywalled trader newsletter. Directionally, the panel saw confidence returning, but not yet enough for full bullishness while scaling remained unresolved.

BitReserve Becomes Uphold

The panel discussed BitReserve changing its name to Uphold, adding a 4% fee, and distancing itself from Bitcoin. Blake criticized the tone of the exit, while Tone said the company's stated mission sounded contradicted by the new fee structure and questioned whether its claimed volume was real.

Rebrands And Lost Trust

The exit question asked whether changing the name and abandoning Bitcoin was a good long-term idea. Blake compared it unfavorably to other crypto rebrands, Tone said companies should know what they are from the beginning, and Theo suggested the move may have been driven by investors wanting to escape the now-uncool 'bit' branding.

Blockstream Announces Liquid

The panel discussed Blockstream's Liquid, a sidechain-like liquidity network for exchanges and major traders. Tone liked the concept because Bitcoin exchanges currently have fragmented liquidity, while Theo said liquidity sharing already existed in other forms but that a stronger settlement layer could improve the market.

Exchange Liquidity And Flash Crashes

Tone framed Liquid as a possible answer to exchange-specific crashes, margin cascades, and isolated order books. The goal was not ordinary users quickly moving coins between exchanges, but exchanges accessing shared liquidity before one venue's order book breaks under pressure.

Dollar Tokens And Custody

Asked which Bitcoin-dollar option they preferred, the panel mostly rejected the available choices. Tone chose none of the above, citing trust and regulatory risk, while Blake said Tether was not bad but that the right dollar-backed system had probably not yet appeared.

Bitcoin Breaks $260

The panel discussed Bitcoin reaching a two-month high amid Chinese volume, dollar weakness, and rumors of Russian Ponzi-related buying. Theo focused on exchange volume shifts and Bitstamp's mysterious volumizer, Blake credited institutional signals more than Ponzi theories, and Tone saw the move as recovery from XT-driven confidence loss.

T0 Executes A Bond Trade

The panel discussed Click transferring $10 million using Overstock's T0 settlement technology. Blake saw the trade as a signal of confidence in blockchain settlement, Theo treated it as a baby step, and Tone said he would be more impressed when individuals could hold stock directly in their own wallets.

Banks, Blockchains, And The Network

The final prediction returned to banks embracing blockchain without understanding Bitcoin. Thomas argued that private in-house blockchains miss the point: the value of an unalterable ledger comes from being outside the house, where insiders cannot rewrite it.

it really kind of like going to a party and having a real fun time, and then slamming the glass out of the door as you leave— Blake Anderson
every sentence you read is just contradicting everything else that you read.— Tone Vays
I would look at the opposite of going to Fiat— Tone Vays
I think this is awesome.— Tone Vays
the mysterious volumizer.— Theo Goodman
the power of Bitcoin is its network— Thomas Hunt

Story of the Week

BitReserve Leaves Bitcoin With A Door Slam

BitReserve's rebrand to Uphold led the episode because it combined a business pivot, new fees, and public criticism of the technology that had helped the company launch. Blake framed it as a messy divorce from Bitcoin, arguing that the company left badly by insulting the community on the way out. Tone questioned nearly every part of the story, from the reported $400 million in Bitcoin volume to the promise of frictionless money movement while charging 4%. The panel's larger point was that Bitcoin companies can pivot, but using Bitcoin culture for lift and then calling the currency disposable leaves a mark.

leaving droppings upon the Bitcoin community after they were birthed here— Blake Anderson
BitReserve changed the sign, Liquid worked on the pipes, T0 moved the paperwork, and the banks still had not quite understood why the ledger mattered.
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