TBG-060

- Pirate Bay Still Down - The CIA Tortures - Hong Kong - Reddit Bitcoin Tip?

December 12, 2014 · YouTube · All episodes
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Where the panel landed

Was the fall of The Pirate Bay, the CIA torture report, Hong Kong's cleared protest camps, and Reddit's tipping plans evidence that old institutions could still suppress networks, or only that networks would route around them?

The panel largely agreed that internet piracy was not over, with Blake Anderson, Brian Sovereign, and Megan Lords all expecting either The Pirate Bay or a successor technology to route around censorship. On the CIA torture report, Megan, Blake, and Brian all condemned the program as criminal and morally indefensible, while doubting that meaningful accountability would follow. On Hong Kong and global protest, the panel split more in emphasis: Brian and Blake warned that visible movements are easily crushed or co-opted, while Megan emphasized the need for deeper philosophical clarity beyond outrage.

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The panel was bleak about torture, police violence, protest co-option, and economic decline, but still saw open source, Bitcoin, peer-to-peer systems, and user-controlled media as the route around old power.

What they were watching

The panel watched price only indirectly through mood: the year had begun high, then wore down into a sober winter of low prices, security failures, and institutional pressure. Organic markers included The Pirate Bay remaining offline, Microsoft accepting Bitcoin for limited digital goods with an immediate roughly $20 price move, and Reddit moving toward native tipping while security failures at services like Blockchain.info reminded everyone that amateur hour was over.

The Pirate Bay Stays Down

The opening issue asked whether piracy was over after The Pirate Bay remained offline and successors faced MPAA pressure. Blake said no, because users would shift to Tor, proxies, encrypted tunnels, physical distribution, or new protocols. Brian pointed to Netflix and Spotify-style services as the market path that could make piracy less necessary.

Piracy and New Protocols

The exit question asked when The Pirate Bay would return. Blake thought it might return quickly, transform, or be replaced by a new technology, while Brian mentioned older systems like newsgroups and suggested BitTorrent itself might not be the final form. Megan agreed that even if the site never returned, information flow would continue.

CIA Torture and War Crimes

The torture report segment was the episode's moral center. Megan Lords called the crimes horrific and rejected the 9/11 rhetoric used to excuse torture, emphasizing innocent people, rectal feeding, starvation, beatings, and death. Blake returned to his recurring theme that negative means cannot be justified by promised positive ends.

No Trial for the Torturers

The panel doubted that CIA officials or political leaders would be held accountable. Thomas noted that the Obama administration chose not to look backward, making itself part of the accountability failure. The Nuremberg comparison framed what was missing: a war-crimes trial.

Hong Kong Protest Camps Cleared

The Hong Kong segment covered the clearing of the final pro-democracy protest camp. Brian argued that visible movements are easily targeted by state and media forces, and that lasting change often requires slower, less visible organization. Megan praised World Crypto Network's coverage but cautioned that she did not know enough about Hong Kong's political landscape to make a strong prediction.

Global Protest and Co-option

The panel connected Hong Kong to Occupy Wall Street, the Arab Spring, Ferguson, and Eric Garner protests. Megan argued that outrage was rising but not necessarily producing solutions, especially when movements ask for more government from the same institutions harming them. Blake described Occupy as an example of how quickly state and media systems can redirect or smear a movement.

Reddit Builds Native Tipping

The panel discussed Reddit's hiring of cryptocurrency engineer Ryan X. Charles and the possibility of native tipping. Blake emphasized the serious security burden of integrating money into a platform of Reddit's scale. Brian praised Charles's background in multisig and argued that a new implementation, rather than bolting on an existing service, made sense.

Security After Amateur Hour

Thomas placed Reddit's caution in the same week as Blockchain.info being delisted from Bitcoin.org and suffering a security failure that exposed addresses before a white-hat sweep. The panel's security tips were practical: use two-factor authentication, understand hot and cold storage, avoid relying on Gmail as a single identity honeypot, and slow down before giving newcomers Bitcoin without teaching them custody.

Microsoft Accepts Bitcoin

Brian's story of the week was Microsoft accepting Bitcoin for limited digital goods. He found it striking because Microsoft, historically predictable and proprietary, was suddenly behaving more like a lean startup. The move suggested that even the old tech giants might adapt when Bitcoin became too visible to ignore.

Open Source as the Exit

The closing mood was grim but not hopeless. Blake predicted worsening economic and social pressure, while Megan urged people to unplug and take care of themselves during a rough season of bad news and low prices. Thomas ended by naming open source as the practical answer: solve the problem, publish the solution, and let transparency do its work.

This is not a problem that they can just fix with a heavy hand.— Blake Anderson
I don't think information can really be stopped— Megan Lords
does anyone deserve to be rectally infused with food?— Megan Lords
You cannot torture people.— Blake Anderson
there's no second chances in IT security— Thomas Hunt
get away from Gmail— Brian Sovereign

Story of the Week

Networks Route Around the Pirate Bay

The dominant story was The Pirate Bay still being down, because it reopened the oldest file-sharing question in a Bitcoin-era frame. Blake argued that censorship would only force traffic into Tor, encrypted tunnels, proxies, physical distribution, or new technologies. Brian compared the shift to Spotify reducing music piracy by making legal access easier, suggesting the market could solve what law had failed to stop. Megan framed it as another example of law trying to stifle technology and losing to the flow of information.

This is not a problem that they can just fix with a heavy hand.— Blake Anderson
The week left The Pirate Bay underwater, the CIA untried, Hong Kong swept clean for now, and open source still sitting there like the tool nobody in power could confiscate fast enough.
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