TBG-052

Ulbricht Trial Delayed, BitLicense, Moolah, Cryptsy, Bitstamp and Hong Kong

October 17, 2014 · YouTube · All episodes
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Where the panel landed

Was Ross Ulbricht's delayed trial, New York's BitLicense revision, exchange failures, and Hong Kong coverage evidence that Bitcoin's real battleground had moved from price to institutions?

The panel mostly agreed that the Ross Ulbricht delay helped the defense procedurally but left deeper concerns about FBI evidence-gathering unresolved. On BitLicense, Will Penguin saw a slightly better draft if developers and miners were excluded, while Christoph Atlas and Chris Ellis called the framework either irrelevant or doomed to be routed around by software. On exchanges, Christoph and Will focused on the structural unreliability of centralized custody, while Chris Ellis turned the Moolah/MintPal story personal, identifying Alex Green as someone he had known and distrusted in London.

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The panel was grim about courts, exchanges, and regulation, but optimistic about peer-to-peer tools, open-source investigations, and live citizen journalism.

What they were watching

The panel was not watching price this episode so much as infrastructure failure and institutional delay. Organic levels were absent except for Ross Ulbricht's January 2015 trial date and the prosecution's terabytes of evidence, with the market conversation displaced by exchange failures, BitLicense process, and Hong Kong street reporting.

Ross Trial Delayed

Ross Ulbricht's trial was delayed until January 2015 so the defense could review the prosecution's terabytes of data. Chris Ellis welcomed more preparation time but wanted renewed scrutiny of the FBI's explanation for locating the Silk Road server. Will Penguin agreed that more time helped the defense, while warning that the prosecution also benefited from delay and confusion.

FBI Server Story Questioned

The panel focused on the claim that the Silk Road server exposed its IP address through form-field probing. Thomas noted that researchers had tested similar server settings and did not reproduce the FBI's explanation, raising the possibility of SQL injection or NSA-derived evidence. Christoph argued that the legal standard being applied protected government evidence while trapping the defendant.

Guilty, Not Guilty, and Morality

The exit question asked for a one-word verdict on Ulbricht. Will refused with 'Fifth,' while Christoph said that under the law Ross was probably guilty but morally not guilty. Chris Ellis's answer was also 'probably guilty,' but the discussion made clear that legal guilt and institutional legitimacy were being treated as separate questions.

BitLicense Walks Back Developers

The panel discussed Benjamin Lawsky's suggestion that software developers and miners would be excluded from BitLicense regulation. Will found the movement somewhat encouraging but remained suspicious of hidden restrictions and the delayed research documents. Christoph expected any relief to be temporary and bank-serving, while Chris Ellis welcomed the developer carveout because it made peer-to-peer exchanges harder to regulate.

Regulation as Delay

Will emphasized that delayed research and delayed rules function as a barrier by freezing startups and capital on the sidelines. The panel treated the NYDFS process as slapdash and politically managed rather than grounded in genuine risk assessment. The landing was that even an improved BitLicense would remain bad, late, and probably routed around.

Moolah, MintPal, and Exchange Trust

Exchange trouble dominated the third issue: Moolah failed to reopen MintPal, Bitstamp threatened unverified users with account closure, and Cryptsy had technical problems. Christoph said exchanges were still filled with capable but untrustworthy people and argued again for peer-to-peer decentralized exchanges. Will said centralized exchanges scale too quickly beyond the emotional and technical maturity of their operators.

Alex Green as Local Warning

Chris Ellis gave the sharpest account of the Moolah/MintPal scandal by saying he had known Alex Green in London under a different presentation. He described him as unreliable, manipulative, and already suspect in local circles before the wider scandal. The point was not simply that one exchange failed, but that reputation information failed to travel fast enough.

Hong Kong and Live Bitcoin Journalism

The panel praised James Bang's live coverage of the Hong Kong protests for World Crypto Network. Chris Ellis called him a hero and urged better protective gear, while Will framed the coverage as proof that small voluntary media networks could deliver primary-source reporting. Christoph was more skeptical of democracy as an end goal, but supported peaceful protest and skepticism of government.

Blockchain Passport Prototype

Chris Ellis's story of the week was a blockchain passport proposal using PGP keys, photographs, Bitcoin block data, GitHub, business-location proofs, and webs of trust. He framed it as a low-cost art project and proof of concept for stateless people, reputation, and portable identity. The discussion connected identity tools back to the Moolah problem: bad actors become harder to launder when reputation can travel.

I'm pretty sure that just doesn't happen by itself.— Chris Ellis
He's a smart guy.— Will Penguin
It's a victimless crime by the FBI.— Christoph Atlas
The guy is a shippable.— Chris Ellis
No one should be storm their money in an exchange long term— Thomas Hunt
The internet, the censorship is damaged and routes around it.— Thomas Hunt

Story of the Week

Silk Road Case Enters the Delay Machine

The dominant story was Ross Ulbricht's trial delay because it brought together the episode's recurring concerns: state evidence, opaque process, and asymmetric power. Chris Ellis wanted to revisit the FBI's explanation for finding the Silk Road server, arguing that the published version did not match ordinary technical behavior. Will Penguin acknowledged the delay gave the defense needed time, but also strengthened the prosecution's ability to manage complexity. Christoph Atlas framed the court's logic as a double standard, where the state could avoid victimhood standards it imposes on everyone else.

And I quite like us to kind of go through it.— Chris Ellis
The episode left Ross waiting, Lawsky revising, exchanges collapsing, and James Bang proving that a phone in the street could sometimes beat the newsroom.
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