TBG-049

- Paypal Bitcoin, BFL Shutdown, BBC Dark and the Leaked Fed Tapes

September 27, 2014 · YouTube · All episodes
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Where the panel landed

Did PayPal's Bitcoin partnership mark real adoption, or only another interface layer while Bitcoin's deeper fights over mining, privacy, media, and regulation continued?

The panel agreed that PayPal's partnership with BitPay, Coinbase, and Gocoin was good signaling, but not full merchant adoption. Blake Anderson and Will Penguin called it positive but early, Bryce Weiner and Christoph Atlas emphasized uncertainty about how much real Bitcoin functionality PayPal would actually expose, and Chris Ellis treated it as another adoption story rather than the core problem. On Butterfly Labs, the panel was much harsher, with Bryce, Chris, Will, Christoph, and Blake all seeing a failed or abusive mining business rather than a clean case of anti-Bitcoin persecution.

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The panel saw PayPal as a legitimizing step and YouTube as a tool for counter-media, but the week was weighed down by miner misconduct, privacy panic, regulatory capture, and a stagnant price response.

What they were watching

The directional consensus was that PayPal news created legitimacy but not a durable market repricing; Christoph noted the price moved only from around 400 to 430 before falling back near 400. The panel's price mood remained cautious after prior declines, with emphasis on expectations management rather than prediction, and on building tools instead of waiting for news to rescue the chart.

PayPal Partners With Bitcoin Processors

PayPal's partnerships with BitPay, Coinbase, and Gocoin were treated as a major legitimacy signal but not full merchant adoption. Blake welcomed the option while emphasizing small-business adoption, and Bryce questioned whether the arrangement meant real Bitcoin integration or only remittance through existing processors. Will and Christoph both described it as baby steps that could make outsiders more comfortable with Bitcoin.

Who Would PayPal Buy

The exit question asked whether PayPal would acquire BitPay, Coinbase, or Gocoin first. Bryce favored BitPay because of its merchant volume and remittance position, while Will thought Gocoin might be easiest to acquire because it was smaller and trailing. Thomas closed with the institutional answer: PayPal could buy all three.

FTC Shuts Down Butterfly Labs

The Butterfly Labs case drew little sympathy from the panel. Bryce described mining manufacturers broadly as pre-mining on customer hardware and selling into already-extracted economics, while Chris said Butterfly Labs looked suspicious even in the early days. Christoph rejected the company's claim that the FTC action was the beginning of a war on Bitcoin, calling it instead a consequence of bad conduct.

Mining Preorders and Centralization

The panel advised ordinary users against preordering mining equipment. Bryce said he had done it once with HashFast and ended up in bankruptcy litigation, while Chris worried about how mining could be decentralized when ASICs are best kept near factories and cheap power. Blake allowed that some manufacturers might be more honest than others, but still warned home consumers about cooling, power, and delivery risk.

BBC Click and Dark Wallet

Chris Ellis detailed his recording and transcript of the BBC Click interview with Peter Todd and the Dark Wallet team, arguing that the finished program distorted the conversation. He said the show tried to bait Todd into political-war language and framed Dark Wallet through an unverified ISIS blog post. The panel broadly agreed that the segment treated anonymous digital cash as suspicious while ignoring the fiat systems already funding war and terrorism.

Anonymity, Terror, and Media Responsibility

Christoph argued that blaming Dark Wallet developers for hypothetical bad use misunderstood moral responsibility, which belonged with the people holding guns and funding wars. Blake criticized the blanket use of 'terrorism' as a rhetorical container, and Bryce defended the right of developers like Amir Taaki to build freely. The panel landed on the need for more encryption and more users of privacy tools, not less.

YouTube and Counter-Media

The show asked whether YouTube and independent channels could change the world. Will wanted better incentives for quality comments and content, while Christoph said YouTube already had changed information flow by letting people exchange ideas peer-to-peer. Blake argued for decentralized communication against unilateral programming, and Chris pointed toward torrents and browser streaming as the next step beyond platform dependence.

Federal Reserve Whistleblower Tapes

The bonus issue covered Carmen Segarra's recordings from inside the Federal Reserve and the culture of deference toward Goldman Sachs. Christoph saw the story as proof that bank examiners were socially and professionally captured by the institutions they were supposed to regulate. Blake treated the case as another example of regulators being the first commodity bought in a managed market, while Chris emphasized that Bitcoin's auditability offered a different model of verification.

This is this to me is not the real Bitcoin you know using Bitcoin through PayPal is not the real Bitcoin experience— Christoph Atlas
Every single a sick manufacturer minds with their own equipment before they send it to you— Bryce Weiner
what's done in the dark eventually comes to the light and Bitcoin accelerates this process all across the board— Will Penguin
I'm not a big fan of butterfly labs.— Chris Ellis
The Federal Reserve has no authority over Bitcoin.— Bryce Weiner
I don't negotiate with regulators. I try to design around them. I try to route around them.— Christoph Atlas

Story of the Week

PayPal Arrives, But Bitcoin Stays Unsettled

The dominant story was PayPal partnering with BitPay, Coinbase, and Gocoin because it gave Bitcoin its largest payments-brand endorsement to date. Yet the panel refused to treat the announcement as the end of merchant adoption, noting that PayPal appeared to be testing vendors rather than building a native Bitcoin wallet. The story mattered because it made Bitcoin harder for outsiders to dismiss, while also reminding insiders that legacy platforms could absorb the brand without delivering the full Bitcoin experience. The rest of the episode showed why that distinction mattered: mining hardware, media framing, and regulation were still contested ground.

This is this to me is not the real Bitcoin you know using Bitcoin through PayPal is not the real Bitcoin experience— Christoph Atlas
The week ended with PayPal borrowing Bitcoin's name, Dark Wallet taking the blame for privacy, and the old regulators still unable to regulate themselves.
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