TBG-008

China Banks - Two Crashes - Sheep Marketplace - Aired Dec 6, 2013

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Where the panel landed

Would China’s first serious Bitcoin restrictions, paired with marketplace failures and media attacks, weaken Bitcoin or teach the market how decentralized money behaves under pressure?

The panel mostly agreed that China’s restrictions were serious but not decisive. Derek J. Freeman saw government intervention as a long-term flop against Bitcoin’s exit function, while Davi Barker and Megan Lords argued that individuals in China could still use Bitcoin peer-to-peer even if banks were blocked. Will Pangman gave China more strategic credit, suggesting the move might be a warning shot or test balloon, and he noted that Chinese buying still appeared strong while Western panic drove much of the sell-off.

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The panel remained confident in Bitcoin’s long-term resilience, but the week’s China action, black-market closures, thefts, and repeated corrections made the near-term reading more cautious than celebratory.

What they were watching

The panel discussed Bitcoin falling after China’s banking move and bouncing back to 1,040, with later references to bottoms around 850 and ceilings around 1,000 to 1,100. The directional consensus was that corrections would continue but Bitcoin would hold above 1,000 on major exchanges, with next-week estimates ranging from around 1,000 to 1,500.

China Blocks Banks From Bitcoin

The opening segment addressed China telling banks not to mix with Bitcoin while allowing BTC China to continue under customer-information requirements. Derek saw the move as typical government control that Bitcoin would route around, while Davi emphasized that citizens could still buy and sell what China called virtual merchandise. Megan argued that peer-to-peer use and China’s large population still made the restriction less damaging than it sounded.

Strategic China And Western Panic

Will suggested the Chinese move might be more strategic than panicked, perhaps a warning shot or test balloon. He noted that China still appeared buy-heavy while Westerners seemed to be selling in fear. Thomas and the panel connected the initial China news to later Baidu and telecom pullbacks, making the story less settled by the end of the segment.

Two Corrections, Two Causes

The panel compared the Sunday correction tied to Sheep Marketplace and Black Market Reloaded with the Thursday correction tied to Chinese banking restrictions. Davi said crashes revealed the economy as a single organism, linking government aggression, black markets, and financial markets in real time. Megan and Will preferred correction over crash and saw the quick rebounds as evidence of continued conviction.

Price Discovery Under Stress

The crash discussion became a price-discovery discussion. Will identified a rough temporary floor around 850 and a ceiling near 1,000 or 1,100, while Derek noted that both drops exceeded $100 and reflected different government interventions. The panel expected more volatility but did not treat the moves as a collapse.

Sheep Marketplace And Security Failures

The closing of Sheep Marketplace, reported theft of five million dollars, and Bitcoin Talk forum hack turned the episode toward operational security. Megan argued that freedom does not remove predatory people and warned users not to keep coins on untrustworthy sites. Will and Derek emphasized that many Bitcoin websites were young, informal, and technically uneven, while Davi compared the hacks to confidence scams during the Gold Rush.

Cold Storage As Ordinary Discipline

The safety-tip exit question produced practical consensus. Derek pointed to cold-storage education, Davi warned against keeping all coins in one wallet, Megan compared a hot wallet to walking around with $10,000 in a purse, and Will warned against trusting third-party websites with coins. The panel treated personal custody as a learned habit, not a slogan.

Media FUD And Bad Comparisons

The media segment collected common arguments: Bitcoin cannot be spent, it is too hard, it is fiat money, it is a Ponzi scheme, and it has no intrinsic value. Will answered the spending objection with merchant discounts and Bitcoin’s non-currency uses, Derek pointed to merchant directories and tutorial videos, and Davi focused on the misuse of fiat. Megan treated the Ponzi comparison as emotionally effective but structurally wrong.

Politics, Donations, And Sentient Bitcoin

The Q&A moved through Bitcoin fractions, campaign donations, Litecoin, cold storage, local bitcoins, and a joking question about the network becoming sentient. The panel noted that Bitcoin donations could complicate campaign-finance limits because a coin’s value might appreciate after donation. Will predicted a Bitcoin super PAC by 2014 or 2016, while Thomas closed with Western Union as the dinosaur that must adapt or become fossil fuel.

"Bitcoin represents an exit from these governments."— Derek J. Freeman
"Bitcoin is not terribly compatible with companies who are in bed with the government."— Davi Barker
"The technological advances are still so far ahead of government regulation, even the most, you know, the, the, was controlling government."— Megan Lords
"I love crashes."— Davi Barker
"Freedom doesn't eliminate predatory people."— Megan Lords
"Don't put all your Bitcoin one wallet."— Davi Barker

Story of the Week

China Tests Bitcoin’s Exit Function

The dominant story was China moving from documentary-era tolerance to a banking restriction that forced Bitcoin into a clearer confrontation with state control. The panel did not read the announcement as a full ban, but as a separation of official financial institutions from citizen-level peer-to-peer use. That distinction mattered: Bitcoin could be pushed out of banks while still circulating among people, which made the Chinese case a preview of later global regulatory patterns. The week also showed how quickly government news could move price, and how quickly the market could test whether the move had substance.

"Bitcoin represents an exit from these governments."— Derek J. Freeman
The eighth issue left China testing the exits, traders testing the floor, and Western Union quietly standing near the fossil record.
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