The Bitcoin Group, the American original. For over the last 10 seconds, this sharpest Satoshi's, the best Bitcoin's, the hardest cryptocurrency talk. We'd like to welcome our panelists, Martin Wishmare from General Bites. Josh Gagala from thestandard.io. Avening Gaff! And I'm Thomas Hunt from the World Crypto Network, moving on to issue one. Issue one, Elon Musk's Twitter bid faces major skepticism on Wall Street. Elon Musk has threatened to buy Twitter at a premium of 18% and the stock traded lower. Most didn't say how the deal would be financed or who we would turn to to help. Stifle analysts downgraded the stock now that the company in the midst of a full-blown Elon circus. Martin Wishmare, should Elon Musk buy Twitter? Will it be good for Twitter and Bitcoin? No, please, please, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, besides he doesn't even have the money to pay for this. He's got like 12 billion in cash to rest his stocks. So he's great, he offers to pay 42 billion dollars for it. But no, no, he doesn't, he's like, no, he doesn't have that kind of money. I really dislike these narcissistic tweets that he makes. But that's personal. No, he will not buy it. The Twitter shareholders will not agree. It's just more Elon, Elon, so that's just nothing to see here. Let's move on. Tesla shareholders are afraid that Elon would sell shares of Tesla to buy Twitter. Josh Tagalog, many are also looking for a perhaps a quote unquote free speech or unlimited free speech to return if Elon Musk bought Twitter. Would he reinstate Trump? Would he reinstate other Nazis? Would it be a free for all on Twitter and would this be good? Josh Shagala? Wow. And other Nazis. Yeah, come on, fight it. I'm totally looking for the Twitter's a shit hole of a place anyway. It just needs some action. It's super fun. I've been eating popcorn all the way out. It's so funny. People are like, ooh, but he didn't take the board seat. And I'm like, yeah, that's because he wants to buy more. And sure enough, two days later, he wants to buy the whole lot. I think it's good. Although I don't, I think fundamentally there's a problem that free speech is really, really important. And I think we can all agree free speech is important. And the thing is that you can't really say, oh, let's all go to getter or let's go here or there because eventually those petlases will be locked out or kick out the left or kick out the right or kick out what like this cancel culture is dot is there's a problem there, right? So I don't think the answer is just finding the echo chamber that you resonate in. It's about like finding a space where all voices can be heard where you can start to make up your mind and get some different opinions. It's really, really important. It also comes with manipulation and there's all sorts of things, you know, bots. And as we get into like what you can see GPT-3 doing, it's stunning what AI is going to come up with next. So it's an amazing chess board that's rolling out at the moment and the pieces are getting laid. But yeah, the key here really is censorship, you know, people say, we hate censorship like you need a little bit of censorship, sorry, but there's people cutting off kids heads out there ready to put those images online. Like there's there's there's evil freaks, you know, out in this world. And so I don't want to see that and I don't want my kids to see certain stuff. And I like so and and so this is a really interesting always thing. Some would say, okay, well, you've got to keep it to legal, legal, illegal, but it's the entire web in some countries, something's legal, something something's not illegal. So in some countries, drugs are illegal, some countries not. So it's a very, very difficult question. And I think Nostar is, you know, we brought this up in the chat with with with Fiat Jeff and what Benarka building at Nostar there. And it's really, really interesting and how they deal with it is to say, look, we, we tie certain service together that have a certain rule set and you can stick in there. But I am still afraid that you'll get echo chambers and radicalization in it because they're just hearing the same thing over and over. And so yeah, you definitely want to continue hearing the other side, challenging yourself, challenging the narrative because whoever owns the narrative owns your mind. Believe it or not, even if you think you're a free thinker, actually, you've been fed, fed, fed, fed, it's, you know, you are what you eat. And that's why they call it a feed and use feed. So just be careful with that. I think Elon Musk might find that it's more fun to play the game of monopoly than to own the game. We're joined by a special panelist, Dan Eave, the crypto raptor, your thoughts on Elon Musk, maybe buy in Twitter. Well, I think there's obviously, there's a lot of people that don't like the idea. A lot of them, you know, are the people that kind of, that kind of like the extreme censorship that's happening, which does seem to be a little one side politically. Just, you know, that's anecdotally. But, you know, ultimately, it's a bit of a straw man that just because he wants to open up free speech, it's not like he's saying, right, I'm going to, you know, I'm going to let anyone say anything, there's going to be extreme gore and people can say, race is nasty stuff. No, that's going to be censored and be policed, Twitter policed as it would normally, right? Because it's general hate speech. They're just disagreeing with certain things, which seems to get people banned or really, you know, stuff that's kind of pretty innocuous politically, but just other side doesn't like it. And they have an army of reporters, you know, that's the sort of thing that I think's bad. And I think even what's bad now is the ability to just hide any reply that you don't like to a tweet, even if it's from someone like on your side, because all you're doing is again, you know, go talk about that echo chamber, you're taking away the reasonable critique of a, of a, of a, you know, of what someone's saying. And if you just have the same ideas bouncing around, then, you know, it leads to extra fun enough, it leads to extreme, like extreme, like extremes. And that's what happens because you have this like snowball effect of people agreeing with each other without anyone actually disagreeing. And it literally spirals down into a pit of like, of, well, funnily enough, some of the stuff turns into hatred, even if it's meant to be a nice thing, it turns into hatred of the opposition when it should be reasonable, I think. I think it also that he, you know, buying Elon buying Twitter would probably be a bit better for Bitcoin. It doesn't seem like, is it parac, parac, the current CEO, he's not kind of, you know, really like public about, about Bitcoin. So I think that obviously the difference is that, that Elon very much is. So I think that would be very much positive for, for cryptocurrency. But ultimately, you know, it's just, I know, there's no point in having a debate if everyone agrees, right? Like everyone loves having a bit of debate. But if you have one where everyone's just going, yeah, yeah, yeah, like it becomes a bit boring, you like a bit of, you know, a bit of difference in a bit of a variety in there, not just kind of like the echoes of yes and echoes of no only. So I think it, I think it would be a positive thing. And I don't think it's as extreme as, you know, he's just going to allow hatred to kind of permeate the social membrane of Twitter. I think it's a bit less sadistic than that, what, what he, what his plans would be. Well, if there's anyone we can trust, it's the guy sending all of our resources to Mars. I trust that guy. Let's go to the exit question, forced prediction, two part question, get ready for it. Will Elon Musk buy Twitter? Yes or no? And does Elon Musk really want to buy Twitter? Martin Wismer. I don't think he'll buy it simply because he doesn't have the money right now, especially not for that offer. And sorry now really forgot the second part of said two parts questions are really hard. Does he does he really want to buy it? Elon in a way is a bit of a tension or I know because I recognize it, you know, he just wants to have attention. It doesn't matter what the attention is. In this case, he wants attention. So he just spouts off and say, I want to buy that Twitter share and I'll just pay this amount for it. And then it will be copypasted all over the news. So yeah, he's got his, he's probably going to look how many likes I got today. And then it's like move on. He's not even serious about it. No, no, no. He's poor and he's not serious. Josh Agala will Elon buy it? Does he even really want to? You're muted good. I actually think of will I do think he has the money. I think he can he doesn't need to have the cash. You can build instruments out of the assets that you have financing baby finance. You can collateralize the shares and Tesla users all sorts of stuff. People will take your money and give you a loan. But yeah, I think he will. And you know, why not? Let's see it. Unleash the beast. Elon buys Twitter. Dan Eave, you're the final and deciding vote. Will he buy it? Does he really want to buy it? I'll be honest, I'd like him to because I think it would actually be positive from the direction it's currently going in. To be honest, it's just becoming too much of a bit echoey Chambery. But it does seem like it's not going to happen on the one of the biggest investors. The Prince, his name, Prince, Prince, Alua Lee, Pintel, Saudi guy, didn't like the offer. So maybe he's just going to hardball it and be like, you know, I want something like $70 a share. But yeah, $420. That's the magic price. 42.0. Maybe we all know that the Saudis are hands down supporters of journalism. Real hands off supporters. Yeah. Well, you know, the thing is like you read that article from MSN, which is owned by Microsoft. I like the thing is we're living. In the 30s, 40s, 50s, we had three channels, all force feeding us information. At least now we've got a whole bunch of noise. It's a little bit better, I think, than having forced, being forced to have three. But the trouble is the major networks are still owned by these tech giants. And it's just not good. And not, you know, not to say that Elon doesn't actually hope that. It's all about stemming narrative a little bit, having some sort of, some sort of open debate. I think, I think Elon will not buy Twitter. I think he could get the money, but it'll be a disaster. I think he doesn't want to buy Twitter. I think he's doing it to stir the pot to get more excitement and adventure around his boring companies, like the boring company. Moving on to issue two. El Salvador arrests 10,000 people in two weeks in a gang crackdown. Yes, they're just arresting everyone who looks like a gang member. All tattoos are welcome. It's chaos in El Salvador and unfortunately, ad city. Unfortunately, the president of El Salvador, the CEO of Bitcoin, Naib Bukheli canceled his Bitcoin 22 conference appearance after declaring what some are calling martial law in the country. Josh Shagalla, being a dictator of a country with a hardcore gang problem, arresting 10,000 people, yet unable to make your appearance at the Bitcoin conference where they even built a volcano in your honor. Is there any forgiving Naib Bukheli for missing this important event? I don't know what to say. It's always weird when countries start arresting people on mass and people go, okay, the gangs, they're all going to die. How can you quickly determine if someone's a guy, even if they've got tattoos, they might be like, no, I've left that life alone. No, no, I've probably left that life alone. How are you going to, it's just tough, but it's also a problem. We all know you've got to keep them on the blockchain. If only these gangs had been properly identified on the blockchain, we could trust the blockchain as a source of truth. Perfect. Well, that's what they had. She's still Jenny on the blockchain. All right. Let's go to Dan Eve, your thoughts on El Salvador, the president. He missed his conference appearance. Obviously many expected him to wear the familiar McDonald's uniform that the president of El Salvador has always worn back when they accepted dollars. But no, not at the conference at all. Complete no show. Yeah, well, it seems like a thing, not going was a natural, it had to be done, right? He couldn't have declared Marshall, not Marshall Law, I think there was a slightly different term, wasn't it? The Spanish term, it wasn't quite as hardcore. But he couldn't have possibly gone to a conference, like living it up whilst the country was sort of going through a huge event like this. Obviously quite bad. They held on people for 15 days, up to 15 days without charges, which is obviously pretty bad if you're not actually the person who is in the gang. Imagine if you had tickets to the conference, you were held up to 15 days, it was only a three day conference. I mean, exactly. Think of all the suspected gang members that would have been a bit quite Miami. But you know, wearing Hawaiian suits and stuff. But no, I think it was necessary not to go unfortunately for him. I'm sure he saw he missed it and was was sorely missed. You know, there's probably a lot of people wanted to bump shoulders with McDonald's wearing president. But you know, they're trying to crack down on such a huge crime spree over there. Whether you kind of agree with it or not of how it's being done, you know, everyone wants less crime, right? Everyone wants less crime and less murder. But yeah, there's ways of going about it that gives people a bit more, you know, it respects people's rights a bit more and perhaps, you know, holding people without charges for 15 days is maybe just slightly overstepping the mark. But then it's the law of averages, not law of averages thing, right? It's like, you know, it's a bit of a shotgun approach. It's the secret. Well, you know, when you think about it, what was the saying during all the COVID restrictions? You know, if it saves just one life, same principle kind of a price there. It's a, it's a trochist that he missed his appointment here. A true tragedy. It reminds me, even back seven years ago, and I went to the Bitcoin Miami conference, the CEO of Paycoin came to the event with two giant bodyguards. They look like world wrestlers. They were gigantic men. Of course, Paycoin was going to have a $20 floor that it would never fall beflow. Martin Wishmeyer, you were in Miami. We didn't see the president anywhere. We looked for him everywhere. Apparently, he was a busy arresting 10,000 people with no specific charges. Some of them may have had tattoos. Martin, what do you think about this? This is the kind of great service we get when we link Bitcoin up to a dictator. It kind of seems like the obvious thing. Anyone could have predicted this. They would have been like, I read the Wikipedia article on that dictator. This is a bad deal for Bitcoin. But no, never thought of it. People were disappointed. I think you're then as right if you declare some sort of like emergency situation in your own country. You can't be just like taking the jet to Miami and talk about Bitcoin bonds. There are some serious issues. There. Even though it's hard to even imagine that people have been taken off the streets and thrown into jail. I know reports that some of them innocent and it's primarily concentrated in the poor areas of town. It's really like what's projected as a criminal problem is really more like a social problem that I've read. What is the right solution to this? I don't know. Before the show, I just called up some friends who are currently in El Salvador because Bitcoin. They said, they don't notice anything. The general impression from the people on the street is that if it helps reduce gang related extortion, then it might really help the smaller shops. Some of them are paying up to 30% to gangs just for protection. I'm paying more than that for my government. Yes, maybe you're just saying. Maybe that's why you're looking to really open the door. But you get so much more. The missiles are that much bigger. The service is that much better. That's true. That's true. What has been projected in the media in where we live as a full out war on gangs is not so noticeable in El Salvador unless you live in a really poverty-stricken area of town. And then yes, then they come knocking at you door. And if you also have beta-tools, I think we all agree that really ugly and beta-tools are a crime in itself. So it's good that something is happening. I can't create a good informed opinion. I'm just saying that people that are there now don't notice this extreme violence and everything. And I don't know how else are they going to solve this problem. This is this. Banks have been ruling for decades and it's like generation of generation of gang members. And it's not going to stop. They have to stop it. And I think the only way to do that is by force. But yes, to give them a good trial. It will create all the problems down the road otherwise. It's only a matter of time before we all move to Bitcoin City. I think the ball would agree with that. Forced prediction, exit question, the price of Bitcoin this time next week, higher or lower Dan Eve, higher or lower? Oh yeah. Josh Shagalla. Lou. Martin Wishmeyer. To be honest, I haven't looked all day, but oh yeah, okay. Now we'll be a bit higher. I think we're just over 40,000 now. Probably higher. It will be too higher. One lower. Will the price be higher this time next week? Source of all truth and knowledge. As I see it. Yes. As I see it. Yes. The ball has spoken not financial advice, but just maybe, maybe it is. Check out WCN clips. We're up to 98 subscribers. We only need two more subscribers to break that big 100. You can check out all the great clips from this show on WCN clips. Just Google WCN clips. Do it. Two, three, strike, announces, Shopify integration partnerships with NCR, the National Cash Register Company, and Blackhawk bringing Bitcoin lightning payments to major merchants. They say it's here. Jack Mollers has brought it to you. Bitcoin lightning integration all over the world, 7-Eleven. Walmart, maybe even McDonald's, Josh Jagala, is it here? Is the moment we've all been waiting for for Bitcoin merchant adoption finally arrived. Yeah, I think it's a huge step. I think it's a massive step. I really, really love it. I've got my lightning network top on. Of course, the thing is that while we're building the standard is because I do see the stuff happening on the ground and really the payments. I've run a Bitcoin only business since 2015. I've had plenty of freelancers constantly working for us, Bitcoin freelancers. Slowly, I think it's probably 2020, things started shifting and the invoices started saying they want to... They want Tether or they want... I was like, why do you want Tether? Why would you want that? It's just so much easier to account for because I send an invoice for USD, I get USD, or the standard we're doing every fiat. But the thing is, once they've been invoiced, they've done the tax for everything else, they can then buy Bitcoin or the speculative assets they want. It's really, really difficult. I think what really needs to happen to get mainstream adoption is for more of the invoicing and that the ability to iron out and ease the pain of the fluctuations, the volatility of Bitcoin, even though Bitcoin is great for holding. This is the problem as well, is that you've got this obsession with HODL in the Bitcoin space, but then you've got this obsession with, let's get everyone to accept it. What is it? Which one do you want? A HODL? Or you want people to accept it as money? It's an interesting dilemma there. But I think stablecoins are really, really important space. The thing is, the centralized stablecoins are disgusting and you just don't want to touch them. This is why we're trying to build there and work with also with lightning and work with what's happening in Ethereum space and stuff like that. I like it. I think it's good step. Bitcoin should be accepted everywhere. Nevertheless, no matter how volatile it is, I would still use it. I love the lightning network. I use it very often and I'm very excited to see what Jack's doing. Jack has been, Jack Mellers. This young kid he popped up with this great interface was ZAP and all of a sudden, like he's everywhere and he's doing stuff. He's setting up El Salvador. He's doing this. He's setting up Shopify. The kids on fire and good on him. It's like the new Bitcoin Jesus. Dan Eve, are you ready to spend your Bitcoin again? I've learned my mistake now after all these years. I should have never actually used it in spending like everyone, like as custom in the beginning, I should have just huddled. But all part of the fun, the fact is that the more merchants that do accept it, more seriously, more seriously taken as a currency. Not just that as well, but the icon that's out there. It's always cool when you go past a shop even now and you see a Bitcoin, a little Bitcoin icon there or lightning next to the visa thing. I think that anything way you're putting Bitcoin in people's faces is a good thing. Although there's what they're using as an NCR, there's still the shop would still decide whether they want to accept it. So it might be the same case that lots of every terminal accepts American or has the technology for American Express, but not every retailer chooses even some of the biggest ones. So it's still on them whether they actually decide to take Bitcoin lightning as a big coin via lightning as a payment method. But it's still like an incredible nevertheless. It referenced the stable coins. It wasn't there like a movement recently as well with lightning labs who raised 70 million for stable coins. So using taproot tarot, they're trying to bring stable coins to lightning, which will be like the cheapest stable coins to send, right? Because on Ethereum, you know, it says sending USDC and USDT and BUSD and even on BUSC network and polygon. And there's still quite, you know, there's at least cents to the transaction. A couple of cents to a couple of dollars and then some for Ethereum. So bringing stable coins to lightning kind of goes two things. One, it gives the retailer the ability to, as Josh said, have a kind of more an easier accounting life because it's in USD. But also, at least shows again, people that are lightning is accepted. So they're using lightning technology. So it's being whether they're people are transacting in Bitcoin, at least people are using the technology that was, you know, that stemmed from Bitcoin. And that's a cool thing. Martin Wishmeyer, we talk all the time how it's a chicken and an egg problem. People have to have Bitcoin and lightning ready to spend. And the cash registers have to be ready to accept it. Are we there if the cash register is accepted? Will that solve the problem? Yeah, well, personally, I'm still in an accumulation phase of Bitcoin. I'm not really like spending it anymore because when I look at my old wallet and I scroll back to all those coffees I bought at the Bitcoin embassy back in 2015 or something, we're all more than a hundred bucks each. So I play paid more than a hundred dollars for a coffee. That wasn't even good quality. So I learned my lesson there and not just like Dan, on the NCR cash app front, I tried installing this app several times and it always says, this app is not available in your country. So the effects will be limited to US companies with an NCR cash register. And I have sort of deja vu here because it's all been done before in the past, 2014 or something. Bitbay at the time partnered with Toshiba to add Bitbay to all better Toshiba cash registers or point of sale systems. What they could do is they would just enter their Bitbay API key and it was set up. It took less than five minutes. Yet, nobody enabled it. Maybe this time around, it's different, it's no longer the geeky currency and it's gradually going mainstream. So yes, it's a good idea. I'll be on the other hand, it remains to be seen what the real effect is here. As I said, the cash app is only available in the US, not outside of the US. I think countries that would use Bitcoin as a payment system most don't have access to the cash app. So yeah, my two cents on this. Exit question, is this a bigger deal or a bigger announcement? Will it have long lasting effect like a big deal or was it just a really good announcement that made everyone at an already receptive crowd super excited? Josh Tagala, a big deal or a big announcement? Sorry. I've been doing this for years and I still forget the Mube. I think it's a big deal. I think it's a bigger deal than Bob's Corner Store, now except Bitcoin, which used to be a big deal back in the day. But I do like, I always like the news of new retailers, especially big network effect retailers taking Bitcoin like, you know, geez, Amazon or some big retailers Shopify is a huge, huge one. So I think it's great. Although Shopify has had just plugins that people could use to accept Bitcoin. So anyone that really was really interested in it could have done it before. But I don't know if they could have done lightning yet. So maybe someone created plugin. I'm not sure. Probably Benark on Ellen Bits has something there. There's so many plugins in Ellen Bits. Check it out, guys. It's so amazing. But yeah, I think it's, I think it's good news. I think it's big news. Dan, Eve, a big deal or a big announcement? I think it's, I think it's, I think it's both. I'm with Josh that it's like it's, you know, it's, it's good having the fact that, you know, something with already a huge network effect, accepting Bitcoin. But it's not as cut and dry as just there instantly going to have access to all of that, you know, there's still going to be, it's still going to be a slow kind of a slow giving, sort of piece of news if you know what I mean. Which is, which is, which is, you know, it's still good. It's the end of day. It's progress. It's still more retailers than less. You know, put it this way, it's better than decision for them to say, we're never accepting Bitcoin or Lightning. So that's, it's obviously very good, very good news and it's obviously a huge amount of progress. So yeah, I think it's, I think it's good overall, very good. I like it better when they say never first. It's more exciting when we win. Martin Wishmear, is it a big deal or a big announcement? No, I think it's more of a big announcement. It would be a big deal if multiple fenders or multiple gateways could have, would have been included in the UNCR equipment. Strenching is two years ago, I contacted them to see if they would include it and they weren't interested. So I think it's a bit of a marketing push from, from both sides, but yeah, I hope it's big news. And you know what's big news also, a big pay except Lightning now. Yes, like seven years after it's been introduced. Yeah, unfortunately, BitPay is no longer relevant in Europe. I do you know any shop that accepts BitPay? I don't. In Europe, they all use BTC pay server. They use a local version. Nobody uses BitPay in the US. People still use BitPay, but outside of the US, nobody cares, totally irrelevant. I think the best product, by the way, the best product they ever released doesn't even have their name on it. And it's the BitPay Bitcoin 2020 slipper. See, as somebody wanted for me, and I didn't have to queue up and it's a really good product. It allows you to walk around next to the pool and it keeps your feet dry. It has little suction knobs on the bottom so you don't slip. It's the best product bit by ever released. But I'm not really in there for their whole Bitcoin gateway thing. It's just irrelevant in Europe at least. Was it just one slipper or did you get the pair? No, they come as a pair. Sure, you can pull them up. Every food you have, it's really fantastic. You said he's a slipper and I was like, oh man, that's the, you know, where on the elephant? Like a ruckus sock. Proof of slipper. I have two slippers. Yeah, that is cool. He's ready to go. Also, Martin is right. It's a bigger announcement than it is a big deal. You have to opt in on the cash writers service. They kind of implied that it would all work instantly. And again, no one's out there with Bitcoin and their wallet. Look. It's a problem in search of a solution or a solution in search of a problem. But you know who is a big deal? Jack Moller is at strike. He made a great announcement, a great PR victory for his company. He got over whatever it is with the dictator. It doesn't matter if he's not there. Jack can make the news himself. He needs no dictator. So Jack is still a big deal. Moving on to the next issue, Miami Bitcoin conference. I was there. Martin was there. Ben was there, but he's not here. So it's a lot like when he was there. It drew crypto crazies to the growing techno hub. There was Bitcoin mining underwater, under oil with a jet engine to get the heat out of there. There was Bitcoin mining in a giant shipping container ready to go, ready to boil the oceans of the world. There was also the castrated Bitcoin bowl at Miami coin census. They worry about the bowl statue. As you can see here, the transformers inspired techno bowl. The author intended there to be some bowl balls, but they're ended up being none. The castrated bowl different than the Wall Street bowl clearly has balls. What do you guys think about the Bitcoin Miami conference? Is the castrated bowl a perfect symbol for this conference that was full of finance guys and full of money, but full of very little Bitcoin revolution. Martin Wismair, you were there. What about Bitcoin Miami 2022? I really liked the event. I had a great time. It's partly because our show host, Thomas Hens, was there a year. And the castrated bowl was a bit confusing. I thought it was like a transgender or gender neutral or I didn't know the bowl's pronoun. So it was really difficult. And I thought if the bowl has no balls, then isn't it a cow? But then do cows have horns? I don't know. I'm a city kid. It really got me confused. But overall, I didn't see any of the talks. I must confess. It's not that they didn't interest me. It's just that the expo was so massive. There were so much to see. And there were many people to meet. There were NFTs, general bites at the booth. Every trade at the booth, we introduced a new ATM model. And it was good to directly measure response from both clients, but also from potential leads. And just to general public, what they thought of the new machine, which is normally a little bit harder because you first have to like sell it and then place it in a wild. And then as a manufacturer, you don't get the direct feedback. So for us, it was really good. I think we really, I don't know whether we sold well, it usually takes a while to get from a lead to a sale with the Kone ATM. Because there's lots of other things to sort out before you start a bit Kone ATM business. Overall, I liked it. I really enjoyed the conference. The party afterwards to my taste, the outside stage had not enough boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. That was just like base. Like if I met the festival, I want to just bounce around, even if I don't dance. But that was inside. Then there was deadmouse playing and there were like thousands of people going wild. Actually, it was a good party. And next year we'll definitely be there again. It was a great conference. Like Martín said, the exhibition was huge, especially having been to the smaller Bitcoin Miami conference seven years ago, where we were in the filmore and the exhibition was about 15 booths around the outside of the theater. It was more like a snack bar. This was like a CES level event. It was gigantic booths, gigantic companies giving away stuff, spinning wheels, all kinds of stuff. I agree with Martín. This sound money festival was fantastic afterwards. Steve Aoki, Logic and deadmouse and really great to get to see it up close and hang out with the Bitcoin. People was great to see Pete Rizzo came down off the stage, said hi to us. That was nice. Austin from the Life on Bitcoin movie. That was a total surprise to see him. We had a short interview. We got to see Ben a couple of times. Ben was very busy with a full staff of students, much like Bitcoin Jesus with his apostles teaching them about lightning, point of sale devices and vending machines that you do not shake. Don't shake that vending machine. I was also great to see Christian, MZ, Constantine, all the Bitcoin crew in from Germany, all over the world to come to Bitcoin 2020. Adam Meister was there, Jeremy Garner, Brock Pierce. Just great to see everybody, all the artists. I like the artist section. Martín was not a great section. They had kind of an art gallery in the middle of the thing with a lot of physical art. That an NFT gallery right next to it. I enjoyed getting to meet the artist. Was not a great part. I like the art gallery thing. Yes. It is a welcome addition to the corporate noise that was surrounding it. I was personally a bit disappointed by the size of the small stage where what's the Silk Road guy's mom had her talk. That was a bit disappointing. I would really like to see her get a larger audience. She has a story to tell. I wasn't that interested in the NFT, but I know you almost spent your inheritance or the sorry, your retirement funds on the NFT. But I managed to take it easy. I did like a lot of the art. It wasn't just NFT because I don't really, personally, I'm not really a fan of those. Although they looked really cool, the animations were just super super nice. And yeah, I've seen lots of different art-mete-mete artists. I find they usually are very interesting to meet because they got a totally different view on it. And it's something that's very underrated in our Bitcoin community. Large part of where Bitcoin is today is because of the people making art and making rap music videos about Bitcoin. It is the counter-culture. It's from the people. So it has to be made by the people. Not just the tech gigs that like to code in the basement, but also the artists and everyone. It was really good. I think it absolutely must have part on any Bitcoin conference really is an art section. I think you know also the open source section where then was I think that should be expanded to have more open source projects because there wasn't enough space on the tables for all the soldering irons they brought. There were like chips and 3D printed cases everywhere. It was really good to see it. It was so like, you know, it was it was really a community thing. And that just felt good for me. It was perfect. But it can some things can be bigger next year. Well, yeah, there was a separate article in Coinbase that we should really celebrate. I didn't get the link here, but it talked entirely about the open source stage saying that that was the best part of the conference that the developers had short speeches. They were all in passion. They believed in what they were doing, what they were saying. And then right outside of that, Ben kind of had an open source area, but you're right, Martin. It would have been nice if Ben had a whole room or if he had more of a permanent thing, he had so many gadgets that he was building there. And that kind of hands-on learning gadgetry workshop is really lost in these larger conferences. Small critiques they could have had food in the industry room, food in the industry section. It would have been a good idea. It's hard to get your food and get back to the event. It was at one point a very overstaffed or a very overattended event. It was full. It was five deep in everywhere. You couldn't talk to anybody that was kind of a fail, but that was more of a peak. It went back down. I think industry day was the best day. They ran a really great conference overall, given the size, the number of people there, all the things going on. I think it was fantastic. Josh Tagala, what was it like from the outside? Was the conference mentioned in the local news? Did you see it in the newspaper? Did you hear about the bulls-balls? What do you think about Bitcoin Miami from the outside? I tell you what it was like. It was like being in Berlin in the winter, and all your friends are back in Australia taking pictures at the beach in the sun with that. Just get off my feed. I want to see all the fun. I don't want to see all the great projects and open source stuff. I don't want to see it. I'm stuck over here. That was horrible. I'm glad to see you guys had a great time. It's good to see some of these big conferences back. The COVID really destroyed a lot of conferences over the last two years. I had to act like some hyper-conductor act to just apply to go to one recently. It's just horrible. It's really good. Miami is a great place for that. A lot more personal responsibility involved rather than communal crap. It's good. I'm glad you guys all had fun. I wish I was there. Dan Eve, you had your own special reason for skipping the conference. What was it like from the outside? This is pickable. It was awful watching. Everyone have fun in this fucking Bitcoin wonderland. I'm not going to lie. It was out of principle because I didn't want to be in the same state as Death Santis. That's a joke. Death Santis is funny. He's really cool. I was well, but especially because last year as well, last year I was like, I know I really wanted to be there and couldn't be there. Hopefully I'll be there in March. If it's on March or whatever March April next year, that would be very, very lovely, especially to meet up with everyone next year, as well from the Bitcoin group show, as well as many other cool people, as you said, like MZ and Co from Germany and all the general locals, European conference sco is like, to hook up with those guys in Miami would be awesome. I'm very excited. There's always blockchain life on my order. Yes, exactly. You're blockchain days. It's blockchain days. It's going to be great. July, I think, was last year anyway. I think I'm definitely going to be there. Make it across, guys. Make it across. Super fun. But on there, I think, you know, they're thinking with the with them, it's not that. It's like, it's not the ball. It's not the fact that the ball doesn't have, if the ball didn't have balls because it was an accident, then they were like, oh, you know, they forgot to put the ball on, but they purposely remove them because they wanted to avoid feeding, feeding the gendered stereotypes about finance. It's a ball. Balls have balls. Like, it's like biology. Why is why are we rejecting like biology? Like, the Bitcoin is like a fucking pure science-based thing. It's maths. It's mathematics. And we're going, right, it's like going, I don't know, like, it was MZ squared. Like, oh, we're going to change the MC part because someone was once offended by an MC. We can't use that term anymore. We've got to change the like, no, no, that's the science. It's maths. It's biology. Whatever. You can't just, it's ludicrous, saying, well, we're going to change from proof of work to proof of stake because it's better and if it's better, it's even for the environment. But it's no longer as secure. Like, the whole point of proof of work is the security. Like, you're, you're, you can't change the science around something just because you don't agree with it specifically. So yeah, I think it's just, it's just a silly thing. Balls have balls. Balls have balls. So yeah, I don't know, just really, really, really silly. If I were there, I would have gone, I've seen the ball without its balls and flown straight home. So I'm glad I didn't go. Well, the other thing is the balls and it's so funny when I first went to New York and you just see all these, these Asian people rubbing underneath, rubbing, rubbing the balls with the ball. Dan Eve, taking a hard stance, balls have balls dedicated to it. But I do think it was a good metaphor for the conference the way that it was kind of a finance conference now, not so much Bitcoin, a revolutionary asset for the unbanked and for the world more like Bitcoin. How can you use Bitcoin to make money? And they had all kinds of great ideas of how their companies were going to take the Bitcoin from you. We have a bonus story on the Miami conference. We just can't stop covering it. Here it is in Forbes, guns, gains, God, four days in Miami with crypto's most faithful plans. And what is this right here in the middle? It says, a man poses in a Bitcoin themed art installation during the Bitcoin 22 conference at Miami Beach, Martín Wishbearer. Who is that? A man in the picture here in Forbes magazine. Yeah, I don't know. What's the point in even giving your business card if they will distract you as a man? Well, how dare they just, you know, declare your man. Yeah, really, I'm my pronouns are bro, bro, and I want to be respected as such. Well, and for the people that didn't attend the Miami conference, we have to give you an idea of what it was like to hang out with Martin during this conference. Everywhere he goes, he's wearing this Miami jacket and everyone from Bitcoin conference people, people at booths, people on the street, homeless people, drug dealers, everybody complimented him on this jacket. So it was like the jacket of infinite compliments. And even the media here, Forbes magazine giving a man the highest compliment, but not quite naming that said man. Yeah, that's one of the most beautiful jackets I've ever seen. It could have been worse. They could have, say, unidentified all over man. And I would really best me off, but it's just a man. What have they said Bitcoin, bro? They have Bitcoin, bro poses in a Bitcoin theme. Yeah, the jacket was definitely worth it. You know, the website said 100% polyester, 200% amazing. And it sold me on the 200% amazing. I didn't realize at the time that 100% polyester will be sell bloody hot in Miami. But you know, it works. I had it's great can steam on the second day. So I could wear it for the conference, but yeah, definitely worth every penny. Yes, the jacket was indeed the hit. Josh, Shagall, what do you think about the rest of the article? Some groups have written a book called Bitcoin and God. They had a special Bitcoin and God convention where it seems like they mainly networked with other members of the Bitcoin and God faction is adding more restrictions to Bitcoin, such as only eating meat, never eating seed oil, only believing in one God is this going to be successful? Are we really going to get new Bitcoiners with this kind of secular attitude? No, it's an interesting take on what I'm seeing in general and the zeitgeist of humanity at the moment with everyone saying, I'm this and on that. You go to declare what your gender is and there's about 15 different variants that you can choose from. And it's like, all you're doing is splitting people further and further apart. It's this sort of dichotomy of trying to say everyone's equal, but no one's equal because everyone's in these groups. Anyway, to be honest, I haven't read the article. So just like Twitter gives the warnings when retweeting without reading the article, I'm going to give the same warning to folks that I haven't read. Thomas, on the religion part, I think there is a point to be made for, because a while back we thought maybe created church and then call it the church of Nakamoto, because then everything is tax-free. Just purely for the sake of tax. If you create a church, everything is tax-free. And then you not only think the churchgoers or the followers of that relation have to do is just promise you will guard your private keys. And that's it. You are officially a minister of our church because you guard your private keys and then they text free. You know, it's like just ask a brother how good about that one. Yeah, yeah. You see that? That seems useful. That seems like a useful Bitcoin religion. I'm not so sure about this other Bitcoin religion. Yeah, yeah, for point there. Dan Eve, what do you think? What about guns? Do you need a gun to be a true Bitcoiner? I suppose the way you could kind of... Other than these guns right here. I suppose it happens in anything right, that you start off with just a fan club or something and then you start off with the kind of all fans and the so-and-so fans and the holly fans. It does happen in a lot of other stuff. Whether it's kind of... To me, it's a bit of an oxymoron Bitcoining god because again it's kind of Bitcoining. I'm not saying no fans but I just don't even go and because of science. And so to get something again, this science thing, build balls with balls and stuff like that. And so it just seems a bit peculiar to me that yeah, I don't know, it's got a very interesting thing but yeah, people have their own special little clubs and it's really cool. Maybe they have a lot of what... Maybe they have like a carnival dinner where you have to pay extra to sit next to someone. But at the holly Bitcoin dinner you have to pay extra to sit next to god. But everyone sat next to god because he's everywhere. In the beginning of Bitcoin it was all sort of libertarian types and there was a very strong philosophy on liberty and then slowly bankers came in and regulators and then moon boys and girls and you just constantly had these new groups. And now it's honestly it's a mishmash of ever it's truly mainstream. I mean you guys saw it at the Bitcoin 2022. There's a lot of people all walks of life, all sexes, all religions, all colors and creed. So I don't buy that that we need to like keep separating into different groups. I think we all agreed that having guns protects our private keys, right? Well it does against the wrench attack. Not from water, oceans, lakes, still very threatening to your private keys. There could be a boating accident at any time. You could even be just swimming on the beach. I like what Dan said that it's purely a science thing. That's good to know. And also I'm reminded of the interesting part where America puts in God we trust on the money during the anti-communism. They also put the line into the pledge of allegiance around the same time. So to fight communism they have this god forced upon them. I wonder now about forcing a god on a clearly agnostic if anything libertarian project like Bitcoin that really wouldn't care. Bitcoin really doesn't have anybody's face not even the queen or Satoshi or Dorian Satoshi stamped on the coins. It's that generic Bitcoin B that Satoshi gave us as well. So I think I like Martins idea of the Church of Nakamoto better than this kind of attempt to tie it into Christian religion. But I haven't read the book yet so maybe it would change everything. Maybe I'd have an awakening a spiritual awakening. No I have a maybe not. Moving on to the next issue. This is a special issue NFT issue bought for $2.9 million. The NFT of Jack Dorsey pictured here. His first tweet was on auction recently. They expected it to go for maybe $8 million. The highest bid was $240. Josh Shagalla what about this number one tweet selling for number one nothing. Is this a big warning to NFT holders such as crypto punks who may have life changing money dozens of Ethereum that they could take now or get an offer for $240. Yeah I mean look I've got a video on from me in 2011 on YouTube going Bitcoin is not a tulip bubble or something like that right. Because that was the constant thing that everyone went on about Bitcoin is a tulip bubble it's a tulip bubble like you know that that talks about the tulips in back in the day where in Holland they started trading apparently the castles and and huge estates for single tulips because they are so beautiful and that it just had a fever and and it was always like it's not a tulip bubble there's literally it's totally not because there's 21 million like that's all there will ever be it's not whereas NFTs can literally be a tulip bubble because well it is because there's infinite amount of them they're not finite they look pretty some look better than others they're trading there's a further I'm not saying that they're worthless I'm not saying that the concept's worthless I'm just saying that the the amount of fever behind this is crazy and when when something sells for more than these you know and you can actually if you step back for a second and have a look at the collectible markets and see what real collectibles go for like something that's actually rare by famous person or famous group or something or I think I think like the very first playboy magazine signed by Hugh Heffner like edition one in perfect min condition was like I don't know I don't even know I'm not a collector of things but I sort of read an article it was like I don't know four five grand or something like that and and then I looked at some weird ape and sort of for 250 grand I thought that was created yesterday by a random computer generated algorithm I thought where is the value guys there is a bubble Josh the failure is that that ape is smoking a cigar and the other apes are not so therefore it's rare and therefore it's worth a lot of money that's true well and it'll it'll happen fast Josh I'll tell you just the other day I had an NFT in my cart and I was thinking about it it was around two Ethereum which is around six thousand dollars and I was like that's insane I can't buy this collectible for six thousand dollars 10 minutes later somebody else bought it the market dries up that collectibles worth about four Ethereum now so who's the idiot me or that guy and it's all a question of whether or not he gets that sale for the four look I'm not saying I'm not saying it's not a good deal in in a moment in time the guy that bought the tulip and sold it for three castles also said it was the best thing ever right it's the thought that why do you want why do you want this NFT you can you can take a picture of it you can have it on your phone without owning it you're only your only NFT's because you're owning the right to resell and you've got something that's direct lineage back to the artist and and so what do you what do you want to do because you have the right you own the right to resell you're basically own the right to give it to someone that has the bag a little bit longer than you and you're hoping that the energy and you know fashion moves fashion moves all the time so if you have something that's fashionable now even Rembrandt and stuff and Rembrandt's in a different league but artists say go in and out of fashion you know and and so you want to you want to try and sell those bags while they're in the hot state and some would say well Bitcoin's the same it goes through hype cycles and you've got to sell it when it's up and it's down but you know it's it's a very interesting interesting conversation and I love I love it but I do say that there is a massive tulip vibe to the whole NFTs place. Well and Josh sometimes you don't even get the right to own the NFT or to resell like you're saying like I think this Twitter guy could probably put it on t-shirts right but a lot of the other times you don't even get that what you're really buying is a connection to the artist you're buying the artist's signature if you will you're buying the provenance that you're connected to the artist in this case you're buying a piece of history it's Jack's first tweet presumably will never be NFT again so you have the one of one to that tweet Dan Eve is this a tweet you need 2.9 million dollars he wants 50 they said 240 dollars well I think that I join my special guest here Dave Grouw yeah yeah say hi Dave Grouw just so rude you never say hi and so there's there's always the risk that you know it could be for well it could with that that Twitter one specifically it can be deleted right and then that where's the fun in that like what if Jack Dorsi accidentally deletes it or someone falls out he falls out with the new own is a CEO of Twitter or something like that it's not crazy you could happen I suppose but it's I'm very unlikely but I yeah I see I see the the the value in I like the kind of NFTs with which have a function to them you know they're used as a you know it's like for an event for example like say for reselling tickets and and making sure that the if the band sells tickets and they sell we know an NFT is a ticket and then if it gets resold on at least the band gets to keep something and if the ticket goes up I think that's a really cool kind of idea so I kind of like the I'm maybe boring I don't really understand and stand up very well and to be honest I'm sour because I bought I bought 10 four guards in their crap I literally got the most average ones ever I was like I'm gonna okay I'm gonna jump in with one of these like one of these things okay and there's the 999 generic thing and I literally got them and I was like average average average average so I'm slightly sour on them but no I like the functional side I you know there's obviously some real cool stuff with in terms of art that's being created but yeah I'm more of a functional guy and I think that as as Josh said there's that unlimited right there's there's you know you could just anyone can create this nine you you've got like you know a board turtle something club there's board shark club there's every animal you can think of there's robots there's I don't know there's probably one for buck plugs 10,000 buck plugs I don't know I'd probably buy one of those actually not an actual buck but no but no but there's obviously anything you could do anything you take there's the mutant ape which is another one but one thing that is quite cool is that the there's a lot of companies that are benefiting now they're kind of piggybacking off of the success of board at Bordeaux Bial Club and they're saying it's a very clever thing this right they're saying if you have a board ape yacht club you know NFT then you can use or use get some sort of discount or something on our platform or something extra on our platform now immediately you've got the community of the boot you know board ape yacht club that are kind of behind it there's a bit of partnership there or whatever but also their clever because they've targeted extremely high net worth in or high net worth individuals who are you know what they're half a million dollars is the floor or something so it's kind of pretty clever from that side but yeah I'm a boring function function over form dude so you know NFTs are calling in principle but yeah the art stuff I'm you know I'm just really bad at picking art things that do good well I'm getting my my mount gocs NFT oh yeah that's whoo I'll tell you what I would buy I would buy the balls of a ball as an NFT I do like the idea of clubs I'd like to see an apple club soon marching wish mayor they want $2.9 million for the tweet maybe upwards of 50 are you buying jacks got quite the beard he's a bearded man with a big tweet but Elon Musk will probably buy it he will offer 41 and then 40 or 420 and then and then wouldn't he be disappointed if he finds out all he gets is the tweet you don't get the company you just get a tweet it's like when you buy that picture of something on eBay and this is not a graphics card this is a picture of a graphics card you know he'll he'll get the attention he desires so much so yes I don't think he would regret it and 2.9 million it's not that much I think for him so he can just like buy the tweet you know I wanted to buy the company and all that I got was this lousy tweet and he can print on his t-shirts and then sell it I think they would go well yeah so we're we're doing some interesting stuff with NFTs as well that Dan was brought up about other other ways of using NFTs and so we're building these smart balls with people can lock up collateral like Bitcoin and Ethan and then mint themselves S-Uro and as dollar and FDN everything else will roll that after that but if people can't pay off their loans that they borrowed from themselves they can actually sell that collateralized deposition as an NFT so it's it's it's also a really nice way rather than saying he I'll send you my private key to my smart bowl so there are other really good use cases and and I've said it before if in 2008 all these mortgage-backed securities were NFTs we we might not be in the same situation because people would have seen that a lot of these mortgage-backed securities were just rubbish because you can follow through the blockchain and actually see what's inside of this stuff and and so there are really good use cases for NFTs I just I just think art is the very first and it's an interesting one but I just just find it so I had to laugh my head off when they when the highest bid was 240 bucks from the guy one of millions I think this this is just a failure of marketing if they'd hit the right crypto punk guy he could sell his crypto punk he could easily buy this maybe not for 50 but if you bought it for two and you sell it for 10 it's not so bad let's move on to prediction martin are you ready with a forced prediction tell us about the future wait wait wait wait wait wait story of the week and then a prediction right now predictions first then story of the week make it hard around people the future no I'll pass you really got me off got there we always have a not ready for the future Josh sigala are you ready for the future we're running out of time prediction is Elon Musk will buy Twitter Trump will get his account back and and Putin will lose his account but he's still got his account so we're so we're in place Twitter it sounds like back to the future to back to the future to Josh sigala is predicting Dan Eve can we have a brighter version of the future maybe something with cowboys was there a story that we could as well or did we do predictions then we'll then we'll do story the prediction is plain and simple someone is going to have there will be within the next year and it won't be me although it might have to be in order to force my prediction true but there will be a butt plug NFT series martin you got to follow the butt plug NFT do you have a prediction are you ready I'm I'm passing on those butt plug NFTs but I'll leave it to then to test them so as predictions yeah Josh has a point there with with NFTs potentially many use cases art is a bit overblown right now but maybe we'll have NFT futures in the in the in the in the future where you can actually invest in NFTs art NFTs that are still to be created because this is where the chula bubble really went bust because you could buy futures on to the bulbs that were not created so I think you know the NFT market will continue to grow until the point hits where we will have board a futures you can invest now and then you get a board in a few years down the line so yeah if all you need is 50 billion dollars to buy Twitter all start a Dow and all buy Twitter and will NFT every single tweet on the platform the minute that you create a tweet we create a corresponding NFT that enters into the market how many likes and retweet will your tweet get buy it now get the NFT version of that tweet this tweet every single tweet 50 billion dollar Dow piece of cake will have it done by lunchtime all right now it's time for a story of the week martine are you ready with a story of the week I know you got big announcements we well not as big as dance announcement but we launched new ATM on the Bitcoin 2022 we basically took all the feedback we collected over what age years of manufacturing or seven years of manufacturing and put them into one machine and right now the response has been really good so it shows that when you listen to your customers it will pay itself back so you know whatever you're doing even if it's not got nothing to do with Bitcoin make sure you always keep soliciting feedback from your customers and use that to improve your product I think this is one of the most valuable lessons I've learned in the past weeks wow something a government has never done okay I just want your money no government never remember going to school and thinking why I I gone buy a pizza in the crappy dodgy pizza store ask me how is your services there anything we could change I got a scoop of 10 years or whatever it was when I was a kid not once did I get a card saying hey how are we doing how are we doing here with this education system you've got stuck with me stuck in spec then no trick-or-cheese tokens and now we have Bitcoin so in a way that's similar Josh and Gala are you ready with a story of the week obviously you're gonna definitely top dance announcement everyone well I'm definitely not gonna top dance announcement I guys got to stick around for that it's gonna this is an announcement of the announcement that happened this is CZ style announcement of announcement no I was at the Tron guy Justin he was always doing announcements of announcements coming out we we we we we did a lot of data analysis on on why different stablecoins have failed before launching or and or just after launching and usually it's liquidity that was the main one didn't matter what peggy mechanism always failed if the liquidity depth wasn't there and so yeah we've we've released we're releasing very very soon so it is kind of an announcement of an announcement we're releasing very soon paper that we've written for the standard I own how we're launching deep liquidity project deep liquidity it's really really cool very very interesting mechanics definitely something to look out for what we're releasing that in the next week we're just getting the last sign-offs from our tech team to make sure it's it's all possible yes over and cool and now you've seen the ball you've seen the balls Dan Eve story of the week so my story of the week was that I'm known to everyone I was actually at Bitcoin Miami and I stole the balls balls and was deported back to the UK sadly but no no so I became the second for the second time a father I'm late so that was part of the reason why wasn't it Bitcoin yeah little little Theo and it's uh yeah he's he's a lovely little fella but it's touching going very crazy like then the like resuscitation machine at the cup the ambillical corbers around his neck and like when he was delivered like they're literally pumping him like you know because he wasn't like yeah he wasn't like breathing and he was literally purple was fun but no he made it and he's and he's awesome he's a cool little fella and he's getting on really just we hear Dan yeah mommy's doing well and uh and yeah so it was yeah really really really happy well that well done to the foreboding yeah oh no I just sharing in the background go come on as long as they have the machine that goes Bing yeah that's it indeed and I also I also managed to get my joke out which is like the the I've been waiting for the right time you know like there's there's like a slow clap right you had to have a right time and and so there's it was lots of been going to all the pregnancy stuff like the meetings they their system is called uh is called badger notes and I was like they've definitely missed a trick there because it should have been called beaver notes uh but uh and that joke went I tried it in the right time uh it didn't go down didn't go down as well as I hoped because it was a tense atmosphere and I and I tried to cut it but no all good all good I got the joke out in the end that's the most important thing timing is everything so then when it didn't work I started a slow clap and then went down like a like a like a like a like a private like a ledger in the ocean and I'm sure the audience is glad you've named the baby theo after theo the great popularizer of the rare pepe's theo goodman yeah great cool I think Josh was in the running I don't know about Tom I don't think we made the finals it was you know what the the decided was actually between Josh it oh my god I've got okay there's two decided so there's two so the one decided was that that um that my uh that we said to we said to my son at Hudson we said what you know you're gonna have a new baby brother is it gonna be Josh or theo and he and he went eo eo so uh and then and then we said it once but then he started he started clicking about stuff around the house like small baby grows and we're like they're not they're not yours they're new brothers and he went eo so every time he saw like a little baby girl something could be eos eos and and so that was really he and the other reason was that my mom said that that so apparently Josh means means uh it's a swear word in more teases it's uh what yeah what good to know what I told about it that's probably why you have no I can't I can't you say okay that's why you just it smits me every time I go to molter it's because you're too damn tall Josh you're just too damn tall I would have rubbed out on the baby so uh congratulations Dan and carry about the baby it's great thanks to everybody for joining us give us a thumbs up subscribe down below I had a great time at bitcoin Miami 2022 hope to see you at 2023 and uh like Josh said meorka blockchain days coming up honey badger in Latvia uh we're gonna be that much closer to Putin uh very exciting uh can't wait to go back to Latvia and uh regga and uh you can see Russia from their house so it should be great until next time bye