The Bitcoin Group, the American Original. For over the last 10 seconds, the sharpest Satoshi's, the best Bitcoin's, the hardest cryptocurrency talk. We'd like to welcome our panelists, Ben Arck from BTC, IoT. Shmash, my everyone. Good evening. And I'm Thomas Hunt from the World Crypto Network, moving on to issue one. Issue one. Exclusive. Large Bitcoin payments to right-wing activists. One month before the Capitol riot linked to foreign account. On December 8th, someone made a simultaneous transfer of 28 Bitcoins worth more than $500,000 at the time to 22 different virtual wallets. Most of them belonging to prominent right-wing organizations and personalities. Now, cryptocurrency researchers believe they have identified who made the transfer and suspect it was intended to bolster those far right-wing causes. US law enforcement is also investigating whether or not the donations were linked to the January 6th assault on the US Capitol. Ben Arck, your thoughts on these large Bitcoin payments? I mean, the chain analysis, which they did on it, didn't it say that it came from some French exchange. So if you're going to send Bitcoin in a pseudo-nomeness way to something and you want to maintain your privacy, then try not to do it from an exchange. That's probably a good idea. But this is what Bitcoin's for, isn't it? It's to avoid censorship and it's to give people some privacy when they can donate to whatever they want to donate to. In this particular circumstance, obviously, it was a bit of a shame that they were donating to people. Obviously within Bitcoin, we have plenty of people who have a similar ideology to some of the people who were writing in the capital. So it's to be expected. It's quite a large sum of money. And I bet they're a bit gutted about, obviously, the huge price pump shortly after they did donate. But it shows that someone's using Bitcoin for what it's meant to be used for. So that's the silver lining to the story. And then also they would have lost a little bit of money there by sending it so early on. So just to be expected, that's what people use Bitcoin for. Yeah, muted Thomas. It got me that time. There's too many buttons right now to push. But yeah, I also think it's also possible, I think if Josh was here, he'd mentioned that this could be part of a plot to frame the right wing activists for the attack on the capital. Remember, you can't refuse a Bitcoin transaction. So if they just happen to have wallets out there, this could have been publicly donated, even publicly planted. Of course, as we later find out, these wallets were probably not public wallets. These were probably private wallets doing private deals. And again, maybe they just got some money. It's interesting to me how much they're putting on the Bitcoin to track this. Once again, it's a bad currency for criminals, 22 accounts. We know where the Bitcoin came from, 28, all of the Bitcoin together, all going to these accounts. It almost seems like it's a signature like they want you to follow it. Good criminals would not use this kind of trackable technology, that kind of thing. But then again, Bitcoin's always involved when there's crime. There's always involved with foreign intrigue and spy stuff and all that kind of thing. So I think it's a fun story about Bitcoin, even if it doesn't turn out later. I mean, I did hear the sage pay. Is it sage pay? They've turned it back on Trump. They're not processing donations for him. I know that just within the business world and within banking, like Deutsche Bank has also stopped dealing with Trump. They were like one of the last banks to continue to deal with Trump. So maybe we'll see someone like Trump using Bitcoin to accept donations. It kind of makes sense. But yeah, no, I, if there's a bit, originally with Bitcoin, obviously, WikiLeaks was one of the main catalysts for Bitcoin. Scared to touch it at the time, kicking the horn, it's nest and all that. But if you can't have payments processed by banks or some payment process like sage pay or whatever, then or PayPal, then Bitcoin is just that's what the technology is for. So that's what people will use it for. But yeah, I imagine that I could imagine Trump accepting donations for Bitcoin coming very shortly. And that would also be good for the price, I imagine. I just think it's interesting the connection of Bitcoin and the Bitcoin slash libertarian type community with the unrest at the capital. It's interesting to see how like a YouTube show like baked Alaska or whatever platform he's on now. There's actually a video going around. You can see them when they're inside the capital had all these pop-ups, all these donations. The chat room was going on, it reminded me very much of a Bitcoin chat room to see them talk about mastodon and gab and parlor and all of these other technologies. They want to leave Twitter. They want to fight censorship. All that had so much in common with Bitcoin. So it's interesting to see that turn out and it was interesting to see all of a sudden all the media and everyone else coming into this little space that usually is just us. Also been a lot of interest in signal this week. They're software right now. People are saying it's going slow and crashing hundreds of thousands of new users after being mentioned by Elon Musk as well as what Apple has been doing to WhatsApp, making them label all the different things that Facebook's looking at if you install that software. So it's interesting to see suddenly people care. You're going to make me do a screen share, Thomas. So this week I haven't done that much Bitcoin stuff. I've been mucking about with Fiat Jaf's Nostar protocol, NOSTR, which is a notes and other stuff relays. So it's clients, your application, your Twitter, whatever is just a client and then messages and posts are just sent through these relays. The concept is you get censorship resistance and decentralization through it being very easy to spin up one of these relays. So they're almost inconsequential. They're just rooting information. They're just rooting notes. But I'm going to do a screen share. I'm going to show you what I've done so far. Oh, there we are. Look at that. Crazyness. OK. So can you see that? Can you see my terminal? I can't hear you. Can you see my terminal? Yes. It's scrolling. Yeah. It's cool. Maybe I should just put Google for a second. OK. So yeah. So I'm going to spin up Nostar and I'm going to show you. That should work. OK. So yeah. So I've been building a client for this. It's cool. It kind of almost works. Twitter would work. I'm pretty impressed. I'm pretty happy with the GUI. I haven't quite finished. I'm sorry, I'm just wearing that. That's me trying to get it to work yesterday. So you can write like a post about something. I don't know. I'll just do it a bit squiggly. And then I can publish that post. And then now that post has been sent to a relay. And then anyone who's following my public key will just get that post. So the moment is a little bit goofy because you don't have like, you know, at, you know, Thomas or at Benark or whatever. You have a public key and a private key. In fact, I'm going to show you that. So if I delete my local storage here, when I create an account on my Nostar client, you can use a bit 39 seed. And then I can save this seed. And that's like my, you know, access to my account. I click continue. It creates a schnaur, private key and public key. And then I continue. I'm going to stall at my local storage and then I've made a little identity kind of my, that's my public key basically. I can actually click on that and get a profile. If I go back and then I can say something, publish. And for some reason, I don't know why this is doing this, but for some reason, I need to refresh to get that first published post to stay up there. There we are. Yeah. And it's even got, I've even built in or starting to build in private messages. So if I'm following someone, I can click on private messages. I can click on them. And then it's end to end encrypted. So I use their private, my private key, their public key. And they use my public key and their private key. And then you smush them together and that gives us a shared secret, which we can use to encrypt and then decrypt messages to each other. So that's what I've been doing with past couple of weeks, or past week in particular. I've been, it's a show I'm not following anyone to kind of like show you the messages, you know, being sent between accounts. That's what I've been doing. I've been, you know, playing around with this sort of idea of a decentralized censorship resistant Twitter, not because, you know, I'm a far right activist and, and I want to be able to put hate upon on there and I think, but, you know, something like Twitter, it, it shouldn't, it should be a public utility. It shouldn't be owned by a private company. And if it is owned by a private company, then you are inevitably going to have censorship and things happen, which you don't agree with because, you know, it's within the company's interest to do those things. In order to hold public opinion. So yeah, we need these tools. I mean, things like this, why we need something like Bitcoin. And yes, criminals can use it and radically minded people can use it. Of course, the terrorists can use it. But they're the innovators, they're the ones who, you know, are utilizing that technology because they need it more than anyone else now. But then, you know, for everybody else, it gives us a greater ability to have privacy by, by these tools being designed and being innovated. So it's a shame that, you know, it's almost a shame that empowers them. But then in another way, you know, we shouldn't, we shouldn't, we should, we should, the trade off, we shouldn't be giving that information to that information shouldn't be centralized by trusted third parties. And in a way, which we're reliant upon them and their opinions and they can use all our data in all these horrible ways. So I'm really excited about that. I'm really excited about not so critical. I'm really excited about a signal and all these other good free and open source alternatives, which are getting attention like master done, for example. So it's great. I mean, you know, over this co-hoved COVID experience, we will become more digitally native. And I do think that normal people are getting a lot more aware of privacy and digital privacy. And I do think that that's had a lot of impact on Bitcoin and people become a bit more accepting of a technology like Bitcoin. So yeah, just looking forward to more more of these solutions being developed. Well, I do think it's good we're going towards these solutions. I also think that it's disastrous and we're repeating the same thing over and over again. There's this idea that unverified unrestrained free speech is a good thing. And it seems every time we set up a community to test this theory like 4chan or 8chan or 8con or whatever the new nasty dirty underground tour community is. We always find out the same thing that no one likes this dirty awful hate speech. No one likes this sludge. No one wants to make their company about presenting this sludge. No one wants to make their life about I make that sludge possible. Even look at this parlor guy who is on TV. They're destroying my life. They're destroying my life. All these companies are cutting me off. No one will work with me. Well, you make the sludge, right? You make the sludge machine. No one wants to deal with the dirty sludge. And there are people out there and out there like, oh, I like the sludge. The sludge is what excites me about society. It makes things dirty and fun. But then it comes home to their house. And we had that this week where all the senators and the Congress people and the ones who have been having all this fun making all the sludge putting out the big lies had the threats. They had the fear they had the people pounding on the door right outside their office. So I don't think that anyone wants this. I think that yes, technically, I think that there should be a layer we should make it possible. Like you're saying, this information needs to be a protocol. One of the things I found so puzzling about a week ago is that Chancellor Merkel was upset with Twitter. And she was like, I'm not sure it's right that Twitter can ban Trump. And she was acting as if Twitter was some kind of public square that the internet was a public square. And yes, things at a protocol level, things like email could be a public square. Anyone could put their messages into the protocol. You can take them out if you want. You can have a filter system to get rid of all that sludge, which is what's going to happen. Most people are going to run the no sludge filter. But I do think that protocol will be there. Maybe something similar to the way the steam at blockchain was set up, not the crazy three coins and the interest and all that. But the idea of putting all your data on a blockchain or a database or whatever, a big string of text and then reading it back in and that the reading is the client that it is the thing. I don't know, man. I'm thinking so much of the world's problems. You can put down to just surveillance capitalism, just just people, you know, companies trying to make money by gamifying the way we interact with each other in a way, which benefits them commercially. And no one knows the impact which that's going to have on the world and is having on the world and how much of the some of the people we've had is being could just be that. So if you can remove those economic incentives by these big companies, yes, obviously, you know, I don't know. I mean, there is always an argument of, you know, if you give people privacy, then it allows for these horrible, you know, degenerates to interact with each other in a private way. But there are that that's just a side effect of everybody having privacy, which is, you know, why we're interested in things like that, or we're interested in the work of people like the Cypherpunks, for example. And, you know, without their work with the Cypherpunk work and making public cryptography, you know, fighting the actual original crypto wars and allowing everyone to have the ability to encrypt and decrypt information through the internet, we wouldn't have things like, you know, online banking and stuff. So we wouldn't have any any way of of transacting or sending information in a private way. And normal people they do, so like WhatsApp or the drum, sorry, do you remember the, I'm sort of being scatty here, but do you remember when BlackBerry gave people the ability to send encrypted messages to each other, and there was this big news cycle about how it's been used by terrorists and all of that. But now I think most people, you know, appreciate a platform like Telegram where you have some some encryption. And I have some normy friends who are kind of pissed off with WhatsApp that it's in the hands of Facebook now, and I feel that their data isn't private like it was before. I don't think you can you can try and parent, you know, the baddies into behaving better by ramp stripping theirs and everybody else's privacy away from them, even if I completely disagree with, you know, their world views. What I think the issue here is not a problem with privacy, but sadly with the people and the larger society that you're giving that privacy, I think that a failure of education, a failure of incentives, people don't know, you know, what to do with their lives, people don't know how to act, they don't know not to destroy things just for fun. That kind of attitude is pervasive. And once that goes, you give those people the privacy and you think that they're going to do beautiful things with it, they're going to communicate encrypted and freely, they're going to talk to their friends, they're going to talk about their issues and their problems without fear of it ever getting out and ruining their lives or ruining their jobs or that kind of thing. But really they just go and they have these nasty communities and they act out the worst parts of themselves and it builds and it builds and it builds and then we have this, you know, explosion and capital. But that's, you know, that's a small, you know, microcosm of the larger proportion of people using those technologies. And really, you know, all of these privacy and enhancing technologies, a stripping power away from the masses of mankind, you know, the heavy state or if there was some horrible authoritarian figure who were to, you know, authoritarian regime were to get into power. Then, you know, which doesn't like, I don't know, people who use Bitcoin, for example, then they're unable to ban Bitcoin, you know, they're unable to not just to stop people from using it, people can use it. And it's similar with, you know, these technologies, you know, we're almost building the tools we strip away, slowly strip away the power of state of big corporations, which then, you know, empowers the users more. I just don't know that it empowers them to the outcomes or the gains that we want. But I do agree it's going to empower them. It's unstoppable. It's happening. These protocols, this idea will be developed on real Internet, like Jack was saying in his tweet, will show itself. But again, I think that if we really stop and think about it, I know everybody's, oh, it's a, it's a slippery slope. It'll go to talitarianism if you don't do what I say and if we really think about it, this dirty speech is not good. And we're always going to filter it out. And it's always going to lead to problems. And it's really easy to say, oh, your son got radicalized and they got put into there on the dirty speech. But we do have examples of this. We have that guy who traveled over state lines to bring his gun out at the protest and then end up shooting two people. So it happens pretty fast. The radical. Yeah, it does. But I mean, a lot of what's that? That Netflix documentary everyone talks about with the social networks and they have that great example of the young kid. The social dilemma. That's it. Yeah. And they have that great example of that, that young kid being radicalized and so much of those problems. They're not just, you know, people going out of their way to look for these radical opinions. So these radical opinions have been thrown at them because he keeps their attention a little bit longer. So companies can sell, sell shit to them. So, yeah, I think a lot of the issue is around this violence capitalism that the keeping people's attention, and gamifying communication, which you can remove. Like not stuff, for example, you know, you get the post of the people you follow. And it's not a case of there's some algorithm checking how long you linger on each tweet to then show you more of the tweets from that person because I'll linger on, you know, something quite radical just because it's like kind of shocks me or whatever. And then I'll get more tweets from that radical person. That won't happen with a protocol solution which has no interest in doing that client, which you control and isn't being controlled by some company trying to make a quick buck. There's a couple of questions actually in the in the chat which I wanted to address. So I'll see the sense. So one of them was on the no star thing. I've seen a sense of for a note to run for the relay notes. They're just so inconsequential. You can just spin it up like, you know, I could spin on like 10 little relay notes and it doesn't cost me anything. And there is there is the no star could be used for a whole bunch of other applications where they could build in some financial incentive. But or maybe, you know, so an idea I had is to say if you wanted to secure your profile, get a little blue tick then with a handle. So like at Benark, for example, I could take my handle. I could take my public key. I could create a Bitcoin dress out of them, send some stats to it and then broadcast that proof to the relay. And then the relay that that would be proof that I've, you know, I've secured that handle and then I could have that handle. And I could say look, I did that for anybody else. And I've got the handle. And then the relay could offer that service for like an amount of Bitcoin, for example, that would work. There's plenty of ways people could make some money on it. But I think generally it's just so easy and cheap to spin these things up. Like, you know, why wouldn't you? And then what was the other one? There's some also one mentioned again called September 12. I've had, you know, anyway, but then yeah, so, so I'm really excited. I'm really excited about all the attention, which these free and open source alternatives are getting. And it's more people falling away from Twitter and, you know, decentralized party solutions. I do think eventually we'll go to an alias system like they had in the Neil Stephenson book fall or doge, doge in hell, which you should all read. But in fall, they talked about how after the breakdown of the network and the breakdown of truth, that no one believed in truth, what they would do is kind of have what Ben's talking about where instead of having a personality like you know Thomas hunt, Thomas hunt would be a encryption key. And if there was someone else, let's say John Smith and Ben and I wanted to work together to publish a paper under the name John Smith, we would then both have like the halves of that encryption key and we would be that personality. And that would be our representation are alias thus that alias could go out and have a bunch of jobs do a bunch of work. But really that alias is company. It's a dozen people that that's something I'm super excited about. I'm like with the keys with it with a not start using. Publishing or public keys, you could have multi sick. So one of the options, I don't know if you saw it, but I'm storing the keys just on my local device on my computer, or whatever, when I'm in an in our star, but you could technically store them on hardware wallets and you could have a multi sick. So if you have a company and you have a like a a no star, you know, a Twitter account for a company, for example, you could have like three people signing off messages from hardware wallets. Or someone like Trump, for example, like the president or awesome, you know, it scares me that these political leaders are on something like Twitter. And if they accounts got hacked and if for some reason they didn't notice for a few hours, they could cause a, you know, the hackers could cause a war, you know, they could send a few private messages to the wrong people. But it was just a clown guy. You didn't know how to start a war, how to get lots of. Bitcoin addresses with the same message. If you're good, all you had to do is get into the DMs and you take over Arnold's words and eggers account and you write to all of his celebrity phones, you need help with the Bitcoin address in there. People wouldn't even found out for days. Like you could have done. That's true. All kinds of smarter things they could have done. But this, you know, a black cat, I have Thomas. Oh, well, it's about reading books and these plots. But what you could do with these aliases is if I want like, you know, newspaper articles. And so I would pay a writer, right? Well, if I'm paying a alias that's actually a team of writers or an alias that's actually three editors who will go out and hire the writers. And every time the articles come back, fine. I don't care how they're generating it. I just pay that alias. I give them like the eBay favorites treatment, you know, five stars. They have a little rating. And you just carry that around with you in the world. And in the book, they talked about how her and her friends had built up this alias. And when she went to get a job using the alias, her mother didn't even know it was her applying for the job. Because she'd used the alias yet her mother was able to judge their work and do all this stuff because it was all tied to the alias. Well, I think we've drifted far off topic here, Ben. So we're going to go to the exit question. Will there be definitive proof that Bitcoin was behind the right wing attack on the US Capitol? Yes or no? Good God. Will not be a new story. Yeah. I mean, I hope so because it'll be people using Bitcoin for what Bitcoin supposed to use for. The answer is no, no, there will not be definitive proof as much fun as it would be for Bitcoin and for the other stories. It's always going to be this kind of shadowy proof. No one's really going to accept it. But with any large action like the action at the Capitol, the money had to come from somewhere. And as more and more of that seems to be an organized event, more and more, we're going to look and try to find out where the money is. Moving on to issue two, one point nine trillion dollar relief package. Many Bitcoiners were celebrating the other day, including those at coin desk dot com coin desk celebrated the Biden relief plan that had been announced. But they didn't get what they wanted. They were all excited that they were printing money and that the Bitcoiners were correct. There is an infinite amount of cash at the Federal Reserve. However, the promise of endless and exciting money printing did not ignite the Bitcoin market. The price actually going down instead. Ben arc before we start let's well, if we have to do the in between things, we didn't do the in between. Okay, so Ben hold on, we've got to say everyone needs to like the show. Yes, we were going to show your QR code. So the QR code. Here's the QR code. First, first, they like the show before they learn about the QR code. So thanks everybody for liking the show, subscribing down below. And now get out your lightning wallets. Hopefully you watched my little short presentation. You got the wallet of Satoshi. You got Ellen strike. You're sending around your lightning payments. You're practicing because this is it. Tell them what to do. So every every every minute, like look QR code is going to spell 500 sats. So if you get your wallets touch out you blew wallet out. Give it a scan. You'll be able to wallet. Of course, I wish I'd be able to wallets the best wallet out there for lightning. And I think I don't know Phoenix Sue. So I think the rest of them. Every every every every minute it will spell 500 sats. So we should just leave that up there. Just leave it up there. I've already just drained it so we'd have to wait a minute for it. It's about again. But you can open a different window. But there you go. So that's check that out. Give us a thumbs up and a share. Try out the lightning network. Now back to issue to Ben. Why didn't the Bitcoin market go up if Joe Biden is going to be printing to trillion and infinite amount of cash at the Federal Reserve. That's a lot. Stability. So, you know, I think now Trump is going to let power pass across peacefully. Hopefully and you know Biden's going to be in power. And I think that people people understand there will be a little bit more stability in the markets in the in the traditional markets. So the people who are trading Bitcoin again, you know Bitcoin is being used for what it's supposed to be used for unstable times. The world became really very unstable visually very unstable with with all the rights in the capital and in the US. And you know, I think a lot of people were attracted to Bitcoin because it's a hedge for uncertainty and it's outside traditional finance. And at the last week and it felt like the whole world is on fire. Well, you know, the fall out the world economy could be in some serious trouble. So Biden's relief package. I think, you know, as much as those Bitcoins don't like right excessive money printing. I think for a lot of people it just represents some stability just which means that there's less need to be using Bitcoin. So, yeah, I can see why the Bitcoin price, you know, yes, a lot of Bitcoin is like, come make other printing money. We Bitcoin is going to shoot up because high inflation. But a lot of normal people are just like, oh, okay, the guy's going to balance and companies and it will stop the traditional finance world collapsing in on itself. And we don't need this Bitcoin thing for now. I think Ben's right. It's about stabilization. It's also about investments that you could get other than Bitcoin. Instead of Bitcoin, you could get Tesla, you could get anything in the legacy market, all of which are buoyed by this $2 trillion. It's going to people. They're going to buy things. Hopefully it'll re-encharge the economy, get the vaccine going, all those kind of things. So I think there's a general optimism that's going to cause people to move over to the stock market and traditional investments rather than this kind of panic and fear that sadly are good for the Bitcoin market. We're in the chaos business. What's that movie? Our brand is crisis. That's our Bitcoin brand. Right. And no one likes it. Like a couple of weeks ago when we had that thing in the capital, Bitcoin was going crazy. And everyone was happy except the people that are watching the thing in the capital because they were saying, my God, we've got a crisis like this is sick, this unsafe. They're freaking out. Everyone else. Wow, money, Bitcoin. Yay. So sadly, I think it's always going to be that way. I think we're always going to be standing in the middle of the crisis saying like, everyone stop being crisisy. Like slow down. Like let's be reasonable. But it's interesting because I was worried when the Trump was pumping all the share prices, the stock prices and the stock, the stocks you're stocks are going up. And then at the same time, you know, Bitcoin was also going up. And I think that partly why it was going up was there are a lot of people out there who understood the, you know, could see it was fake. You're pumping those pumping those stocks and shares in a way which which was unstable. And that's where they were hedging out into into Bitcoin, where I do think with someone like Biden is a little bit more level headed. And like he says, you're more likely to get fiscal stimulus and actual benefits to production capacity. And I think the demand is opposed to just, you know, making numbers look big to prove that, you know, you are in fact having a beneficial impact on on, you know, on all these, on all these companies and on the share mark on the share. Yeah, I have a beneficial impact on the country. So, you know, talk was all about the numbers, whereas I think that the, this two trillion will be a bit more level headedly allocated. I also want to go back to the idea that the Bitcoin market is still not very big. And as much as it's gotten incredibly huge since our early days. And if you've been here a while, you know, it seems insanely big to you. It's still pretty small and a handful of whales could move this market. I heard people say that around 40 K some big whale sold a lot. It went all the way down to 30 K at which point other whales ate up the cell from that big whale. So if this is really the actions of one person or 10 to 12 people, a handful of people, Bitcoin is going to keep doing these moves that don't make sense that don't line up with the news that don't line up with the triangles and the charts and all those things. But if you look at the long term, it does look like a diagonal line straight up. I saw a graphic recently they said the trend is your friend. So the trend is your friend about everybody's trying to scan this QR code now been, but not that many of them have hit the like button looks like we have about 45 live viewers and about 25 likes. So we're only about halfway there. So you still got time to hit that like button. See exit question for the relief package. I don't know, just generally Biden plans more relief packages in the future continued money printing in the long term is a democratic administration good or bad mainly for the price of Bitcoin. But let's go generally for Bitcoin. Yeah, I mean, I think generally, obviously, the Bitcoin price is going to ever up slowly. I think it'll probably happen in a less bumpy way with a bit more stability. I do urge everyone out there. I know as Bitcoin is a very binary and we're like, you know, hard currency, soft currency, great soft currency, evil and bad and terrible. But, you know, I really do, I mean, it's something people will be hearing a lot of now, which the modern monetary theory stuff. I do urge that people got and research that stuff like off their own back and research it properly with an open mind. Because there's, you know, the, the, what's his name, what, what are most of the guy who came up with the idea concept of modern monetary theory that the rules which apply to businesses and to, you know, household finance. They don't apply to a sovereign currency, a sovereign country printing their own currency. So, you know, they, they can't go bankrupt. They can just print more money. Yes, they can cause something like hyperinflation. But if you have a huge deficit, you can't have a huge deficit and you're creating fiscal stimulus and you're improving the economy. Then you can, a lot of our economies where we have, you know, a sovereign currency can be pushed a lot harder than the other deficits can be a lot bigger and that can have a beneficial impact both on public sector. But then also if you've got deficit in public sector, you have surplus in private sector. So it's actually also good for the private sector too. So it's almost like upgrading an economy from 4G to 5G by using soft currency properly as opposed to trying to apply like the economy. So it's kind of like a way to apply like hard currency, thinking to a soft currency, you know, like the fear you're a star or whatever. So I'm pretty excited to see how people will be using soft currencies. And I think that they'll become more federated, more decentralized. But yes, honestly, people don't just dismiss all that stuff going read upon it for yourself and then form a, you know, an opinion on it. But I actually think it's quite fascinating subject. But obviously also, you know, in saying that hard currency has a hell of a lot of benefits and values and should definitely exist and all society, particularly as a way for people to secure, you know, money in a way which is not in the hands of control of the country or state or whatever. Well, given given the last 40 to 50 years of economic history, I want to throw out the idea that the left or the right is better or worse for the deficit. I want to say that both sides in America spend money and increase the deficit. There is no difference. Now, however, I think that the Republicans gave the money to the rich. They continued this trickle down theory despite all the evidence showing it not working. So I look forward to abandoning that idea. If Biden's money goes to anybody but the rich, I think it'll have a better effect on the economy. It'll have more of a spreading the money around effect and it'll actually make a better economy, which will be good for everyone, including the rich. So I think we're going up here both for the stock market and for Bitcoin price wise and so on and so forth. The uncertainty of the Trump administration probably will be gone in a week looking like it'll be gone in a week. There'll be lots of other uncertainty and lots of fun out there. No doubt. But it does look if we get rid of some uncertainty business cools down. We get this vaccine going get the COVID out of the economy and boom, boom. On the other side, though, Ben, do you think there'll be any real improvements for Bitcoin, the Trump administration for all of their business savvy and business interests and background. They never got into Bitcoin. They never really came to it for all of the we're putting cryptocurrency in the cabinet stories that we talked about. It never really happened. Do you think there'll be any change policy wise is, you know, are they going to start adopting Bitcoin? Are they going to lighten it up on the banks? Does the administration even affect this? Is this more like just banking regulation and lobbying? Maybe it'll be the reverse thought you said before. Maybe 2021 will be like obviously, you know, everything we better will have COVID vaccines and you know, we'll have more stable economies and everything and we've gotten rid of instability, fire, you know, someone like Trump, for example, and everyone will be happy and skipping around holding hands, come by our and then the Bitcoin price will be tanking and as low will be miserable and wishing for the uncertainty to come back in the back of our minds. I don't know. But no, I mean, he's going to have to adopt Bitcoin as an each one because like I said before, you know, he's going to struggle to accept donations for these payment processes won't process them. So, you know, Bitcoin's an obvious alternative and if you saw that, you know, these are for right guys getting the 28 Bitcoin's or whatever donated to them, then maybe he will adopt Bitcoin. So yeah. I don't know that we'll see much improvement Obama and Biden previously Obama had said that Bitcoin was like having a Swiss bank account in your pocket, which I thought was a great selling point and an advertisement for the currency, but he meant that as a negative. Yeah, I think for I think for most citizens, I think yeah. Yeah, I imagine Biden's the same. He thinks that Bitcoiners are tax thieves and so on and the IRS. The IRS has already changed their form. The number one question on the top is, do trade cryptocurrency? And it's been it's been pretty funny to been in this for a little while in the beginning. Bitcoin wasn't even money. And now it's the number one question on the form. So I think the government knows about crypto currency. They're interested in it. I don't think we're going to see any major adoption here. Maybe if Andrew Yang was president or someone more technical Jack Dorsey, even Zuckerberg, maybe we'd see more movement on the Bitcoin then. But I think we're going to be pretty much in the middle to not caring. On the Bitcoin, which again is probably good. Like we want we want four years of being left alone. Even the end the Trump guys were kind of sniffing around Bitcoin this. Manuchin wanting to change the treasury, change the way that money laundering is handled on Bitcoin that's still out there. That could still happen. They're taking comments. That's something that continues despite changes of administration. But I don't think that Biden's necessarily driving a negative policy on Bitcoin. Just as I didn't think Trump was necessarily running a positive policy. I don't think they care. So moving on. Green share. Oh, yeah, I don't do screen share anymore. It's just so confusing. All right. There it is. Boom. Check out shop dot world crypto network dot com where you can get the treasures. Don't float t shirt. Look, it's huge. Or the world crypto network mug just like the mug that I'm using right here in the real world. Whoa. You can get those at shop dot world crypto network dot com. Issue three lost bitcoins. Man who binned hard drives storing $200 million in Bitcoin offers the local council 25% to search the landfill site. And in America lost passwords lock millionaires out of their Bitcoin fortunes. Well, at least this one guy. He's got more than $220 million locked in a Bitcoin wallet. He's only got two more chances to guess the password. Otherwise, he's out of luck. The media loves these stories. They love to talk about the trash can. The landfill Bitcoin and now they love this lost password Bitcoin. But why do they love them because it's lots of money? Do they love them? Because it's a chance to say negative things about Bitcoin. What is it about these lost Bitcoin stories that makes them come back every single cycle? Ben arc. I mean, they're just engaging the audience. I mean, is everyone can empathize with that poor guy, Newport. You know, we lost that laptop in what 2013 and now there's Bitcoin's worth an absolutely I watering amount of money. Every human being can empathize with that. So yeah, it's a good news story. Newports just down the road from me. And it's almost like the Bitcoin blockchain as well as time wears on more shit gets dumped on top of the. Of the pile for which they need to then dig through to try and find that laptop and him being able to recover those funds gets harder and harder. You'd have to do more work to be able to recover those funds. So I mean, I should probably like to reach out to the guy see if I can get him on for an interview or something or hook up with him because he's you know, he's just literally down the road. I lived in Newport for a few years actually. So yeah, I'm just waiting for the way before Bitcoin. So yeah, cost it on you port in South Wales. So yeah, quite a place. Let's go story by story. So I want to talk about the landfill guy because that comes up every single cycle. Yeah, because every every cycle because the number goes up doesn't it? Like when you first heard about it, it's like it's got 10 million pounds or something. It was nothing in the landfill at first. It was like, oh, I've lost 10,000 or I've lost, you know, 20 grand. It's like a bad poker loss, right? Like a bad gambling weekend or really, really bad gambling weekend obviously, but you know stock market loss or retirement account loss, but it gets worse and worse. So it's interesting to hear that one talked about over and over again. I think it like Ben said, yes, it's definitely going to come back. It's a human interest story. But that one really seems open and shut. He should get with that company, put the money together, put up the fund. It's like an insurance issue. It's like if they find the thing, you get lots of money. If they don't find the thing you lose. So it's like any other treasure hunting operation. They should buy the landfill from the town council. I can't believe someone hasn't bought it from them already. Obviously, I guess they need the landfill strategically. They need it. So maybe you'd have to provide a separate landfill or just buy the section, but it seems like, you know, the guy puts it in the trash. He lives in a certain place. It goes to a certain landfill. It seems pretty open and shut. That's where it would be. It's possible. It could have been interjected or intercepted along the way like the Jawas. Someone could have gotten it. Some kind of garbage hard drive guy could have gotten it. Just reformatted it completely destroyed it. It's gone forever. But yeah, this story is going to come back. It's fun. Now this other one. This other one's a new story. And it has a bit of a wiggle in it. A little bit of a ripple, if you will, Ben. Have you heard so this guy with the 220 million dollars was apparently paid 7,000 Bitcoin to make ripple into a tipping currency. He was supposed to make a tipping app or something for ripple. So this is actually ripples money. So this is a little different. He was paid it. Then he lost the password. What do you think about password guy in San Francisco? I mean, Bounty's Bitcoin Bounty. I've done a few Bitcoin Bounties for Alan Bitt stuff. One of the Bounties I did was like 0.1 or something a while ago. It wasn't that much money. But now it's like goodness me. I saw Shilobar and on Twitter. He did 0.1 God bless. He did 2.0.1 Bounties for someone to review Taproot. I mean, I think that was when Bitcoin was at like $3,000 or something. So it's not just a big investment. A lot of money, but it's not like an eye watering amount of money. But now it's not watering. So you'd be careful paying people in Bitcoin. It's a terrible, terrible way of paying people because you end up really regretting it later on. I'm not sure that Ripple got the project. I'm not sure that he delivered on it. So there might be kind of a car make thing that's locking those Bitcoin's in there. If he didn't make them the tipping project. If he didn't deliver. Does he deserve to get paid? I mean, there's a. What's the right thing about on those? How is he what's using cold card or something like how I don't understand how he loses the Bitcoin if he if he tries the wrong password again. Well, see, well, see, he must be coming. Maybe cold card breaks out, doesn't it? He was called something like iron iron hold or something. I imagine that it's a hard drive encryption program. And again, I'm not 100% technical. But my first idea was, why don't you just make a copy of this hard drive? Then try the keys on the copy. And then if it erases your chances, now you have two more chances times infinity because you can keep making new hard drives. So I don't understand why he can't just forensically make an exact copy of the thing. Our tools, you know, even I had access to them at the law firm, where you can access a drive without damaging a drive. So if you're worried about the drive being, you know, changed or something, I think you could replicate it. So I don't understand technically that part. Maybe someone can explain that to me. Because yeah, you should get more than two chances. I also, I also, I feel sad. I think think about the chain of it. So the guy he loses access. That's probably accounts. That's tries number one, two and three. Right. Then he gives up for a couple of years. Bitcoin goes up the first time he comes back and puts in, you know, try five, six, seven gives up again. You know, then Bitcoin goes up a whole lot more. He tries number eight. I know how he's getting these tries. He's like doing dream therapies, write down stuff. I don't know. He's going to somehow, because at some point, your mind looked at a piece of paper. And now that piece of papers were 220 million dollars. If you can get your mind to remember that piece of paper. And it isn't just this guy. There's lots of people that have this story, probably for lots less money. But then he's up to eight tries. Now I figure he goes to the New York Times. And that's the round that we're in now where he's going to try to get technical help. And hopefully somebody can fix this. And obviously they're going to get a share of it. Earlier, I think there's a lot of fear. And probably if you wanted to have it clean, like he's never going to be a clean 220 millionaire. He's going to be a public 220 millionaire if he cracks it. But the other idea is originally you take it to some computer shop or something and they'll steal it from you. So there's a lot of fear about that. There's a lot of trust issue. Now that it's a public thing. It's kind of like the dump thing where I think you should just be selling shares in it. You should be selling a treasure hunt. Can I get the code or not? And then he could at least profit from the shares and stuff. I've seen a lot of these people like have if they try things like hypnosis and things to try and find I'll be honest, right. Who am I? I'm really spoken about this, but a very long time when I first heard about Bitcoin, like I don't want to be one of them. I can, you know, sorry, so I don't want to be one of those people who are like, good, you can be Bitcoin since, you know, 2002. But in Britain, we had like quite an active Bitcoin use silo kill. So I think a lot of Britain's heard about Bitcoin pretty early on, which is, you know, accounts for this guy with this laptop and you put. There's a chance I downloaded Bitcoin client and ran it. I forget a lot of things. And I was really interested in Bitcoin. It must have been like 2010 or something and I did low to research on the internet and I was I'm pretty sure I downloaded the Bitcoin. I don't know if I run it. I don't know if I didn't try mining any Bitcoin. I could have. I might have. I don't know. I try and write my brain sometimes as to whether I did or not because at the time it would have just been nothing and I wouldn't have I would have forgotten about it. And, you know, maybe I maybe I did I don't know, but I think as the price goes up more and more people maybe if you get well, I don't know what my price is, but maybe if it's like a million pound of Bitcoin or something, then maybe I'll try and find some hypnosis some hypnotist to tell me whether I did or not, whether it's just a fantasy dream thing. But the real question is like what's Newport City Council's price because he's offering 50 million at the moment if they can find these things and he's also got this company who are offering to invest two and a half million in trying to excavate these these Bitcoin say trust the guy is obviously right is some sort of proof. So, yeah, what is the city of Newport's price maybe when Bitcoin is more accepted and council start accepting it for tax payments and countries are mining it and all this other stuff, then maybe they will excavate it. But this is like a it's kind of like gold, isn't it? You know, this is it's a bear asset and it has a lot of the quality gold has so you end up people end up securing it in a way. Like they make treasure maps and they do all this sort of craziness to try and secure in a way which they're there that the family will be able to find after they've died or someone they like will be able to find after so you and then you know people lose them and they get buried and have to dig them up and it's just like treasure hunting is just like a look just searching for gold. So it's yeah, very interesting, but yeah, what's the what's the price and you can't saw this has got to be it is got they've got to take this money. Before they could say oh Bitcoin's not real money or it's dirty drug money or they could just disbelieve the guy maybe this is just a crazy guy wants to dig up our dump. It's not exactly safe. He's out there digging with a shuffle, you know, it can't can't go, but if he gets that firm behind them if he raised the money and does the insurance and everything that I think you can easily do. They've got to take it they've got to take the money so I don't know what they're waiting for they should take it. But as far as the idea about me having some ancient Bitcoin mining machine for unfortunately, unfortunately I had a Mac PC issue so I never got to run the early Bitcoin client when I read about it. But I do feel and I hope everyone in the audience can join me. I feel like I and many other people have dodged being ridiculously rich at every turn. And if there are multiple realities every single other reality of Thomas is just ridiculously rich like on a beach goofing off not doing any work at all not not serving humanity at all. And they're all laughing at that one, you know, C 138 Thomas the one that still has to work and worry about things. So I'm sure a lot of you guys feel that way we've just dodged it. We just we could have held here. We could have sold there. We could have mined early. You could have just all these different things new currencies come out. You don't buy them. You make fun of them instead all these kind of things. But I still think that we're having great fun and we're having a great ride here on a LC 138. This is this is partly one of the worst things about the technology. I was think because I know some people who did might you did have a lot of Bitcoin early on. And then for whatever reason, I didn't think much of it, whatever they lost their private keys and whatever. But they start have the public key so they can go look at it and they say that's my Bitcoin right there. There's my ex thousands of Bitcoin. I can't move them. I can't do anything with them. But there they are. And that's the other bear assets like if you lose your gold, then in this case, you can still look at the gold. But you just can't do anything with it. It just stays there. It's funny too because no one else can use it. The money's just locked there for ever. You could even tell the world you could be like, hey, look at these Bitcoin. You could have an auger or something you could bet against it. You'd be like, I'll bet they don't move. I'll bet they never move. Again, it's not a popular bet. Now I can get an action. So yeah, there's a lot of those out there. And then yeah, I don't I didn't want to go back and look at old wallets. That's the other thing is that you're your receipts of all your horrible choices are all out there. And if we had the right software, we could very easily like look at our nightmare. But I'm going to leave that we don't need that. So I think that's about it. We're out of issues. Did you guys drain the faucet? Did you get it all? I think so. I think so. I think it's been hit multiple times, which is nice. I mean, there's partly white, you know, white. White's nice to do this is because I can see any issues which pop up using LN URL. Because LN URL is just a standard for lightning wallets to do some getting post requests to make lightning kind of feel less goofy so you can pull payments. So you know, when you scan it, your wallet is sending a get request to the server and the server is sending back. Make me an invoice for X amount and then your wallet makes an invoice for X amount. Then it sends the invoice back. And then the server then pays the invoice. So but for you all you've done is you've just scanned the QR code and then boom you get some money. Now, it's a brilliant brilliant way to make lightning a lot more, you know, give it give it more different ways in which you can which you can use it. I've used Alan bits to make that LN URL faucet. But a lot of wallets because it's a standard and a protocol. And it's kind of a little bit fringe almost like some wallets haven't implemented it correctly or they've implemented a different way to other wallets. And they haven't followed the protocol, you know, as well as they should have. So occasionally we get a few bugs and maybe you can't pull the the funds. So it's it's good to see people testing different wallets with it. Great. So yeah, so thanks. That was a bounty for people testing wallets and you know, maybe years from now, I watched this video back and I'll be like, oh, what was I doing? What was it giving away all that Bitcoin? Everything and that's especially to you with already with the giving out dollars or giving out $10 or whatever we've given people speaking of giving out money. If you've got some extra Bitcoin, you could donate right now to our new wallet fund. We are 5.37% of the way there. We've raised around $75 towards our goal of 1,400 and don't worry. We have lots of time. They sounds like they're going to make new Macbooks halfway through the years. So I'm probably going to wait for that anyway. So donate now. Give us a thumbs up and a share. Subscribe down below. We're trying to get 100,000 subscribers for the World Crypto Network. I think that the price of Bitcoin would go to $100,000 if we had 100,000 subscribers. So tell your friends. They don't even have to watch it. They just have to get a new account and push subscribe. If you have one of those scripty things, maybe you could just script up on a bunch of YouTube accounts, not saying you should do that. But if that happened, we'd have more subscribers. Any as anything like that, Ben, do you have a prediction or a story of the week? Prediction is a story of the week. I've just been working on that star thing like crazy. And I think it'll be finished this weekend, which is great. And I can't wait to put it out there. And for people to play around with it, it will feel a bit like MVP obviously because it's just you're still using a public key as opposed to like a fancy handle. But we all be able to like the boss great about the protocol is we can just add new note types. So one of those new note types could be securing a handle and there could be a range of proofs like one proof we thought about was, you know, if you wanted to transfer a Twitter handle, maybe you could literally just send a tweet out from your account saying, you know, this is my public key. And then we could then use that in no star, you know, your handle from Twitter. And I did even think about maybe some sort of import function. So it would then just go and fetch like, you know, your latest 20 tweets and just populate your nostar with that. So you'd be like a kind of fairly seamless hop across the nostar in a way. So my, yeah, my prediction is working on that. My other prediction is next Friday when we do this show, because we can do this funky on screen graphic stuff now, because the new OBS has been released. I'm going to try and hack together something where you can like maybe in a LNU or LPE because in LNU, LNU LPE, you can add like a memo comment. So you could pay, I don't know, 20 cetaches and then you could write a message and then maybe we could have that message like somehow fly up on the screen or something through some chat thing or discord or something. So I want to play around a sort of hack around playing with that, trying to make the video more interactive. It would be pretty interesting. So yeah, so watch out for the nostar being released hopefully this weekend. My client, because obviously it's a protocol and there's multiple clients being developed. So if anyone's interested in that, go on the telegram. I think it's T.me, you know, me and it's just nostar and OSTR joiners. It's a really interesting, great protocol technology. Nothing, not related to Bitcoin anyway, really apart from the key thing. But yeah, no, it's looking forward to seeing that grow. I would just like to remind everyone to check out the World Crypto Network audio podcast. 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Hope you guys had fun emptying out the lightning wallet thing. That was cool. We've also been trying to do more lightning stuff. I want to show you how easy it is. I waited a long time for the lightning network to be easy to use. And I think you could do it. Live streaming is on. We're back. We're back. Dude, there's someone in the, this is cool actually. So part of the Alanyour protocol, if you're talking off go check it out on just Google, Alanyour, or GitHub. And then you'll be able to find the protocol on the GitHub. One of the cool things about is you can add a prefix. So you can have this Alanyour L like string of just scrambly numbers and letters and stuff. And that's the thing which your wallet uses to then send and receive information. However, if you just scan like that QR code with a regular normal QR code scanner, it has the QR code has actually also got in it a prefix and the prefix is Lanyour.com. I think it's like lightning something. So what it does is if you open it just as a URL, it'll go to Alanyour bits. And then I think it gives you the option to like, you know, do you want to claim these sets? You click on claim and then it'll build a wallet with the 500 sets in like an Insta wallet, which you'll just have on your phone or on your device or whatever. And it's an Alanyour bits wallet. So I think someone's then asking whether they can like pull that out into Wall of Starship. Yes, you can just just you know, in Alambits, just generate a an invo, not an invoice. Get no wallet, Satoshi generating invoice, take that invoice, give it to Alambits and then Alambits will then pay out to the wallet Satoshi. But yeah, the Insta wallet, Alanyour L prefix thing is super cool. One of the only remaining slightly difficult things about the lightning network is pretty much what you're describing there. Ben is that you have to have the amount first. So yes, you could donate that to the fundraiser here, but you'd have to go to the tally coin webpage so that you can generate the invoice. So if you went right here, click 10 bucks, click lightning. This little please wait, it's generating the invoice. Once this invoices up, you could scan this and donate 10 bucks. The problem is, you know, you don't have 10 bucks, you have like 50 cents or whatever Ben sends you. So you have to come back to this webpage. DJ booth, I mean, I know DJ that tally coin was your idea and DJ booth implemented it from WorldCook.net work, because obviously you know, you often expousing these wonderful ideas, which then other people can go and build. Alanyour L pay, no, it's pretty well supported by a lot of wallets. So there's no reason why he can't have just a static QR code. And then you could scan it with the lightning wallet and just send, you know, small amounts or whatever. Alanyour L pay would would allow that and you wouldn't need to to click on the, you know, on the amount first. Well, you got to you got to tell him how to do that because that's something I like because I like. Okay. I like the way that the old Bitcoin QR codes work. I was trying to refresh that page. But like, for example, this is just a generic Bitcoin QR code. So you can't use this with lightning. Just won't work. But what I like about the generic Bitcoin QR code is you could put it on any show or you could put it on a flyer or you could put it on anywhere. A sticker or whatever. Someone could send you $5 through that sticker. I just, I've always thought that was the neatest thing. Just since the beginning of Bitcoin, I was like, if I can make a show, I mean, it doesn't work. But if I put this like QR code like right here, this is Ben's QR code. It's empty. But if that was like a send me money QR code, you could have sent me money through that over YouTube over Jitsy over zoom. None of these people get a cut of it. None of them take it. And that's why love about tally coin too is that and you can make your own fundraiser here. You don't have to just do my fundraiser. But if you go to tallyco.in, you have to type slash slash pk9 rs eight slash, which is kind of annoying. But you could do this where you go to the fundraiser and you could do this for your own fundraiser to like raise money for a guitar or whatever you want to buy. And you just click the amount then you click lightning right here. And that would generate the QR code. And this works for any kind of fundraiser at tally coin. The other interesting thing about these lightning QR codes is they expire. So there's a look out or right here 300 seconds or whatever it is DJ boost got set to edit expires. I don't know. I think we just we need to talk more about lightning. We need to learn more about it. So I did a short tutorial earlier this week and it's my goal to continue doing short tutorials and little like test things. My main theory is that we think lightning's hard, but it's actually pretty easy. But it's the same thing is Bitcoin. You need to get five bucks worth of lightning and you need to send a dollar here and send a dollar here and use a dollar and put a dollar there and screw up and all the things that you did with Bitcoin. You just have to do them again with lightning and sounds repetitive and boring, but it's new technology. I think I think I think Bitcoin is beautifully elegant in the you know, the I did the way in which you can use a blockchain and you can just create an address and then have money go to it. And you don't need to be running any software and lightning is a hot wallet and it needs to be, you know, it needs to be connected in order for you to be able to send receive funds. So it's a little bit under the hood. It's a little bit more complicated, but a lot of that stuff has been abstracted out now. So for the user, you know, listen great like, you know, non custodial lightning wallets. You can download, you can run and you know, it has a little neutrino and over running behind it and you can connect it to your own blockchain or whatever. And yeah, there's some there's some great solutions which have been developed for lightning now and and you know, it's 300% software and we're all talking about with it probably way earlier than we should be. But now it really feels like it's kind of come of age and some of the solutions, some of the concepts you should be built on it are very functional and working. It's beyond the minimal viable product. I would say this is the year where, you know, we really see it being used in all sorts of interesting and easy ways. So I think Alan, you're all part of that journey. I agree with the people in the chat. They think it's complicated. There's too many words. But hopefully if we talk about it enough and we do a lot of demos, we can explain it to you. We can get you to try it and you can get comfortable with it and we can move around money. But it's, yeah, it's that old thing that wasn't like, you know, end of the show, Ben. Yeah, sorry. I was going to say, SMTP is complicated and fucking sorry, FTP is complicated like the protocols are complicated until we make back clients. Yeah, well, and we're getting there and it's getting easier. But you just have to get that familiarity with the term. And if it's your first time hearing it, it's going to sound confusing, but it'll get better and better. And hopefully we can do that for you here at the world crypto network. So subscribe down below. Give us a thumbs up. Check out one of the other shows, check out one of Ben shows with a lightning tutorials. We got a bunch of those online and we have stuff from the CCC that chaos communications conference right here on the world crypto network. You guys can check that out. I'm going to go update the audio podcast now. So hopefully you can listen to this later. Thanks so much for joining us. Until next time. Bye. Bye.