The Bitcoin Group, the American original. For over the last 10 seconds, the sharpest Satoshi's, the best Bitcoin's, the hardest cryptocurrency talk. We'd like to welcome our panelists, Dan Eave, the crypto raptor. Wassau, Wassau, Wassau! Leo Goodman from Poofalwork Media. Good evening, Internet. And I'm Thomas Hunt from the World Crypto Network. Moving on to issue one, CoinBases, newest team members helped authoritarians in worldwide monitor journalists and dissenters. Just like last week, we're talking about hacking team this week on the Bitcoin Group. That's right, CoinBase acquired a new company called Neutrino and with it came several members of hacking team, the group that was famously hacked. Once hacking team was hacked and published by Wired magazine, everyone knew all the nasty things they'd done to help authoritarians, monitor journalists and dissidents. They worked for the red team, the other side. This is led to a new movement on Twitter where people are saying hashtag delete coinbase, showing screenshots of them deleting coinbase. You know it's a serious movement because they've got shirts, hats and beanies and their own coin desk article, Angry Bitcoin fans, delete coinbase accounts to protest Neutrino acquisition. We talked about this last week but we're talking about it again. Dan, the crypto raptor, what do you think about coinbase and the Neutrino deletion or the Neutrino acquisition? Will the delete coinbase movement be successful? Well, it's definitely gone a lot of attention recently and just reading through the few articles that earlier, it seems like they've been implicated in quite a lot of nefarious activity by the sounds of it and breaching of people's liberty and rights and that's obviously not good. Especially in this kind of space with so many libertarians to see them just blindly acquire this company but once again, if they didn't acquire them, maybe somebody else would have. Maybe we'd be saying this about Kraken or we'd be saying this about Bitpay. If the smart people are out there, they're going to try to acquire them. Theo, good man. I would be shocked if Kraken had acquired them actually. I wouldn't be so shocked if Bitpay had acquired them though. So I'll just put that out there. You can decide what you want from just from my interactions with those different ones. Anyway, just from their past things that they've done, you have to think when you buy a company or you hire an employee, you conduct an interview. You might ask questions, say, hey, what's up? Check out their CV, go through their past experience. Have you helped dissidents be captured and go directly to prison? Will it be tortured and have a life in prison? Have you helped stomp out people speaking out about human rights? And if the answer is yes, then you get hired. You have to really think about a company that's really willing to acquire a company and do that. Yes, of course, they're going to say it's for the forces of good. They want it. They need to block chain analysis for the forces of good against criminals or against the real horrible people breaking the coin base terms of service, doing things like sending Bitcoin to a gambling site or maybe even directly from a Coinbase wallet to a dark market, which is not the smartest idea. But those are the kind of things that Coinbase is probably trying to stop to do. Unless you want to go down at rabbit hole and if they have someone from some kind of government at the company or they have a co-located server at Coinbase and doing a kind of funky stuff, I don't know. There's no proof of that. But I would say also, if you want to follow the hashtag delete Coinbase story, then you should follow Janine. I cannot remember her exact Twitter. I think it's J9, O-R-M-E, or I probably got it wrong. But if you just go to hashtag deletecoinbase, you'll see Janine and she's done a good job at documenting some of the things. Or if you've blocked her in the past discussion or anything like that, make a man's unblock. And because she's done a real good job of systematically exposing this company and you can check out a lot of the links she's throwing around. She has done a good job, shout out to Janine for doing some good work there. Although I do want to play devil's advocate here and advocate the other side, why do we even expect anything from Coinbase? Why does a company have any kind of reason to not hire someone? In this case, hacking team did work for the negative governments and the dissidents. But let's say that hacking team was a CIA group. Would it be so bad Coinbase acquiring a CIA group? They're on the other side. I mean, I just for devil's advocate here, they're hiring the best people they can. They don't really care about the responsibilities. I'm not sure why we're even trying to hold them to a higher standard here. What do you think, Dan? I think, although if it was the NSA that had hired them, for example, I think that people would still be pretty cheesed off about it. I think it's more about what they are involved with in terms of the governments. I think it was one of the examples in the UAE in Sudan. So selling the monitoring equipment, surveying equipment that's prying in on people's lives in authoritarian regimes. And yeah, I think it's probably for them. Like you said, they're getting the best. They're trying to get the best sort of people on the job. But from a PR perspective, it's a bit of a nightmare. Moving on to the exit question, double standard. Theo mentioned that we wouldn't be upset if Crackin did it or something like that. What about people are so mad about Coinbase because they've added extra altcoins. Meanwhile, Crackin trades the same altcoins. Why are people mad about Coinbase but not mad about Crackin? And Eve. Well, I don't know. Generally Coinbase has had a lot of hate over the last couple of years, I think, from a maximalist perspective. But whether that's from a view that people should be holding their own private keys, rather than putting them in a service, I don't know. It's kind of one of the pillars of crypto, isn't it? Bitcoin is that you keep your Bitcoin in your own private keys and then you are your own bank. There's no third pie, risk, there's no third pie. You know, issues. So, yeah. I think they've made, they've got quite a lot of wrappers. I mean, anything that's kind of going to progress Bitcoin going, moving forward, I think there's always going to be people that agree or disagree with relationships. I mean, this one in particular is a bit contentious because of the activities and the fact that they got hacked as well. But yeah, I'll see how it plays out. Theo Goodman, Coinbase lists Ripple and everyone's up in arms. Cracken listed Ripple forever ago. Why are we so mad? Well, I mean, I wouldn't say we, I mean, list whatever you want. Well, that's pretty simple because of past things Coinbase is done that makes some people happen unfavorable opinion about them. That would include openly supporting Bitcoin Classic that would include listing Bitcoin cash before implementing SegWid among other things. That would also include having people on the Coinbase team. More or less say, I'm really bullish on Ethereum, not so much Bitcoin. These kind of comments coming out. And the reason people are probably the same people are less critical of Cracken would be that they haven't taken, although they list Ethereum, Ripple, and several altcoins, they have not. I can't think of any of the employees that have taken that kind of stance publicly. So that would a lot. That's just different, different camps, different opinions. And I think that's the reason why. I think part of this is that we want the old Coinbase website. You used to be able to tell people go to Coinbase, buy some Bitcoin, try it out. That was it. Now you have to tell people, go to Coinbase, buy some Bitcoin, not Bitcoin cash, not this other Bitcoin, not the Ethereum Bitcoin, not the Ripple, not the 25 cent one, buy the expensive one, get a little bit of that, try to keep it separate from all these other things, and then maybe you can withdraw it unless you screwed up and bought the cash. So Coinbase's offering has just become complicated and has become less useful for Bitcoin maximalists or whatever you want to call Bitcoin supporters. In the same way, I don't think Kraken was ever this utopia. Kraken was always a trading website where you could trade things. So sure, they added Ethereum. Sure, they added Ethereum Classic or Ripple or whatever it is as they are trading website. But with Coinbase, it did have this more advocacy focus, which they've completely lost. Right now, we still have the cash app is a little bit like that, and hopefully it's going to stay that way. It is a little harder to use with the stupid swiping interface, but maybe they'll work on that. Moving on to issue two, Facebook and Telegram are hoping to succeed, where quote-unquote Bitcoin failed. That's right, Facebook and Telegram are following in the steps of everyone else and printing their own money. Facebook's Coin, which is said to be even traded on external exchanges, as Coinbase has been talking with the exchanges, will be first offered on WhatsApp, allows users to repay their friends, perhaps for a dinner, of course, bypassing Venmo and PayPal. Theo Goodman will Facebook and Telegram succeed with their new altcoins. It might succeed in getting people to use them. They already have really huge networks. So it's not so hard to leverage those and get them to use your coin or whatever you want to call it. I don't think that we know what these things really will be. I guess there will be some kind of stablecoin-esque kind of thing. I don't know if they'll have their own wallets, or they'll just be linked to whatever an app. You're a Facebook app, you're a Facebook account, same thing with Telegram. I have no idea. I don't know if you'll be able to transfer them out to an exchange or anything like that. We don't know any of that. Look, it's a sofa. I found a stablecoin. That's basically what this year is. Everyone has a stablecoin in between the pillars of their sofa. It's just going to be that's the new thing. You need to have your own stablecoin. Now, it's going to be hard. Now, every stablecoin is only stable as the issuer that that really issues it. Because in the end, a stablecoin is just an IOU. But I mean, Facebook, are they really going to be the bankrupt that fast and not going to go to Pather and stablecoin? That would be quite a thing. That would be quite a thing. Same thing for Telegram. I mean, I don't know actually, but I think they have enough money. So a $1.7 billion raised in Telegrams, ICO. Maybe they will give like Vincolvoss stablecoin or run for their money. Who knows? You know, I mean, Facebook has a huge network. Maybe this is a way to get people to stop deleting Facebook if you give them five bucks of Facebook coin. The obvious answer to me here is if only we could use some kind of an interoperable coin, where you could use the same coin on Facebook and the same coin on Twitter and the same coin on WhatsApp and the same app on Telegram. Wow, that would be Bitcoin, right? We're going through that intermediate period again, where everyone makes their own coins. And we all go far away from Bitcoin. And then we come back and we say, hey, boy, imagine if you could use Facebook credits to buy Telegram time. And if you could use Telegram time to buy a sandwich. Wow, that would be amazing. That would be like a currency for the internet that you don't own and you can't print. So once again, Facebook, Telegram, Kick, WhatsApp, all of these things, they're just printing their own money. It's happening again. Dan Eve. Yeah, it's, you know, some say it's good for the for Bitcoin in general because it's kind of creating awareness or by lending legitimacy. So if people will think, oh, well, actually Facebook and Telegram and other big names are getting behind crypto currency, then it has a kind of net effect to increase Bitcoin's value because more people have a bit more faith in it. And even like my mum would like foamy when news comes out of a company, like she will say, oh, you know, so and so it meant to be using, you know, using cryptocurrency or having a blockchain. And for her and I think other people that are kind of still learning, it's good to see for them. It's good to see, you know, big name endorsing cryptocurrency, even if it's creating this everyone rather than, you know, Bitcoin. But obviously, it's just another one for the C of Sharecoins out there, you know, along with JPM coin and Bose coin. Well, exit question, which coin will be the best? Which one will you hodl Facebook coin, JPM coin, or the still yet unannounced Walmart coin? Theo Goodman. Uh, Theo's and Walmart coin. Walmart coins are very strong contender. Dan Eve. Okay, for Walmart coin. Walmart coin all the way at least you can buy something at least it's not just digital who wants to buy likes anyway. I wanted to like it on their own. Did you know the World Crypto Network has its own podcast and it's not just on iTunes. If you use the Google machine, you can find the World Crypto Network podcast almost anywhere you look, even on a website called Player FM or pod bean or pod bay FM or I heart radio. So check out your phone if you've got one of these apps you too can listen to the World Crypto Network audio podcast. Be sure to subscribe, follow, or whatever it says on your website. Moving on to issue three Vladimir Putin orders Russia to adopt crypto regulations and develop a digital economy. More good news from Russia where crypto currencies are very popular and Vladimir Putin is attempting to encourage this population, this popularity. As everyone knows, Ethereum creator Vitalik Booterin was born in Russia. Therefore, Russia is a natural and safe place to develop crypto currencies. I'm sure that your freedom and your ability to code will never be taken away from you in Russia. Dan Eve, are you excited about Russia and crypto currencies? Well, that that news would mainly people to believe there's a link to the Putin meant to be bought or Russia buying $10 billion of Bitcoin. So the conspiracy theorists might say that there's a strong link there. Ultimately, I don't think Bitcoin will survive as much as it is a in terms of being a uncompletely unregulated. We're going to have to put up with some regulation. And so, you know, Russia and Putin, you know, saying that they're going to regulate cryptocurrency and therefore Bitcoin, I think is good for the ecosystem because again, it's kind of lending legitimacy. We're going to have to have it. So at least, yeah, at least it's kind of not completely banned at the end of the day. So first we talk about Coinbase's Brian Armstrong, then we talk about Putin. Theo Goodman, a connection there. I like your comment. What was it? Valdenburg Putin is trying to increase the population. That was good. I like that. That was a nice slip up there. I also like the title. He's like, I demand you guys do regulation now. You know, he's like, because I want to pump my bags. You know, maybe he's got some major bags and he can't move them from the Kremlin without the right regulation because they're monitoring the, because he's set up, you know, the surveillance so much that he can't, you know, they're watching every packet of internet. So they're like, hey, he's got some shit coins in this packet. Nope, stop it. So he's guys like, guys, I order you now regulation so I can dump my bags. That's the kind of thing. That's what I'm thinking. He's like up there, you know, with his little laptop, you know, with the old Soviet symbol sticker on the back, you know, at that he's secretly he's like at Yo-Bit or something, you know, he's like, it's gone and it's gone. Guys, I demand you get some regulation so I can launch my new STO. I just got a car from an oligarch. He wants to do oil back, you know, commodity base. STO guys, guys, guys, we got to get this. Look, guys, look, we got to get, okay, now, now, okay? So that's how I'm, that's my take on the whole story. He said that whilst riding bare on the back of the whole story. Yes, right, right. Exactly. And hanging out with Fedor. It's great to have a former KGB agent calling for more regulation. I'm sure the libertarians and the audience are very excited that they want to encourage cryptocurrency. Well, how are they going to encourage it? More regulation. Yeah, that's what we like. And it's funny to see them, but Theo is right. More regulation might actually lead to more loopholes and actually less regulation. It's great to see foreign dictators trying to enhance and enable the ability for foreign dictators to take the money and leave. Remember part of the big problems with, like, say, Ukraine is that they had all their money in the palace and they had these furnishings and they had these vases and they had all this other stuff that really doesn't travel well. So when you're ready to leave a country, you need cryptocurrency and maybe you need regulation to get it. I don't know, which we've got coinbase and these Russians involved, which is worse, Putin partnering up with Ethereum or Coinbase partnering up with hacking team. Let's go to Theo Goodman first, exit question. I would say the hacking team by Coinbase is way worse than Putin wanted to dump his bags on you bit. Dan Eve. Yeah, I'm going to have to agree on that, I think, definitely. Unbelievable. Brian Armstrong finishes below Putin in the poll, not a good place to be. Moving on to issue four, Bitcoin is not harnessing its replacing Western Union and the Reviton's industry. Well, we've been saying it for years, but the truth has finally gotten out. We come not to work with you, but to replace you. There's no reason to have Western Union. There's no reason even for them to have a clever kiosk or something like that they could put in the grocery store because anyone else could move in and outcompete them. Having a series of old businesses where you change money into other money or pieces of paper is no longer going to be a business when everyone you know has Bitcoin. When you can buy $20 of Bitcoin from your friend at breakfast, send it to your friend in Venezuela by dinner time. Why would you need to go to a Western Union or offices? Why will these businesses exist? Dan Eve, is there a future for Western Union and the Reviton's industry or will cryptocurrency wipe them out? Well, I mean, I think unless they adopt Bitcoin themselves and they may become the blockbuster of international remittance, you know, that they charge quite a lot in terms of percentage just for people to get access to money internationally and with Bitcoin, you can just access it anywhere in the world and with like 24 words as well. That's the most incredible thing. You can forget, you could literally be completely naked on a desert island with a laptop that's got internet or a satellite. You have a satellite, there's power and stuff. And then you could, use your 24-word seed and then send a Bitcoin transaction. So I think that in these kind of Western Union services, they've creamed the top off the international money transfer market for too long and I think that Bitcoin's going to crack into that pretty soon. It feels like Uber and the taxi drivers, he had another industry waiting to be disintermediated and taken apart. Theo Goodman, Western Union, maybe they could send a telegram with a 24 words like Dan was saying. That could be a new business for them just sending around 24-word telegrams. That's an interesting, interesting thought. I think it's going to be a little bit harder to disintermediate that business though. And one reason is also because from what I've learned is that in some countries, people have already pre-Bitcoin and still till today, they've kind of built their own networks and they do things like they have their own trust kind of networks. So for example, Dominic, he's co-founder of The Meet Up Here and he went on to start a Bitcoin Vietnam, the exchange there. And what he learned is they already have their own systems where they'll do one Western Union transfer and some guy will get the pile of money. And then he has a list already of who gets what? And they already trust those people. So they have their own, it's all based on trust and family networks and this kind of thing. You know what I mean? So it's a little bit more complicated than you think as far as like, oh, Western users are just like exorbitant fees. They do. And people have already been getting around that in their own ways. So for them to use Bitcoin, which it has slowly been or all crypto has slowly been getting into all that, it's going to take a lot more than just like comparing, you know, the flat-up fees to Bitcoin. It's a way, there's a lot more moving parts that we don't all see in all this stuff. So, you know, that's end and as much as Van and as high fees as Western Union and the others take, people still trust it. So it's going to take a lot of time to really, really get over that. And maybe things like Western Union censoring people, this kind of thing, if people are worried about that, that's where something like Bitcoin could really, could really shine. So, you know, if it's politics or for whatever other reason that they can't use Western Union because the government says no, that would be where Bitcoin could really shine in my opinion. Moving on to the exit question, Western Union founded in 1851 when New York and Mississippi Valley printing telegraph company was formed to build a new telegram line from Buffalo, New York to St. Louis, Missouri. How long will the company last? Force prediction. Five years, ten years, or less than Eve. Still muted. Five years. Five years, Theo Goodman. I'm going to say over five years. Is that an option? I don't know. I'm made up my own option. Because they can change business models. They're not dumb. You know what I mean? They could chae. They could do all kinds of things. They could do this weird new telegram service. Hey, maybe that is actually got anyone wanted to start up? Start a new telegram service. Secure messaging telegram. Very secure. Unhackable. I'd say less than five years. It'll happen fast, much like yellow cab. They were talking during the Cohen hearing about how valuable the taxing medallions were and how they were worth millions of dollars. But they're not anymore. It happened fast. It will happen again with Western Union bonus issue issue five unannounced issue. Croger announced ban on visa credit cards to Smith's food and drug in seven states. That's right. Croger, the largest supermarket chain in the world is banning visa credit cards. Why? Do they take too long to process? Are they unsafe? No. Croger wants to save on fees paid to visa to process credit card purchases. The old goodman. Is it happened? Is it happening? Are the merchants starting to rebel against the credit card companies? Is it only a matter of time before they realize they could use Bitcoin and lightning with almost no fees? Credit card companies first banks are next is Croger leading a wave. Theo, good. They could be. I have not researched this, but they could be. Maybe they are the first mover because if one supermarket does it and they're successful in saying, hey, we don't need visa. We still have business. People are still buying, coming to our supermarket. The other side will look and say, hey, we could do that. We don't need these high fees. So that could easily start a wave and then there'll be more competition among whatever payment providers for the fees. Maybe there is somewhere for crypto to get in there. Maybe it has to do with CoinStar and you put the pennies in. You get your Bitcoin. That's pretty nerdy. I don't know if anyone has watched before, but there was the story about a month or two ago. CoinStar is this thing in the US where it's a machine that's in supermarkets normally. You can bring all your change there. If you saved a big bottle of change at home or piggy bank, you could just dump it in the machine and it will spit out a receipt and you can go get the cash. Of course, they take a small fee, but because it's usually only less than a dollar because it's all changed. Anyway, you're happy to get rid of the heavy change. So now some Coinstars are going to have a button where you can turn that into Bitcoin, which is kind of funny. You know what I mean? So you can turn all of the change to your house. You can turn into, yeah. So what I mean, maybe and I know for a fact, there are Coinstars and Kroger's. Now, what if so that maybe there's the connection? Who knows? I'm agreeing with Theo here. They should make it the only way to pay it Kroger is with the CoinStar machine. You have to go in there beforehand, put your money in, get a little voucher, do your shopping, come back and pay with the voucher. It could pay with Bitcoin. I know in Amsterdam, they had a similar system where in the US, if you want to pay with your ATM card or whatever, you could just do it at the register. But in Amsterdam, you had to go to the ATM machine first, get cash, then go to the register, pay with cash. They would not take the ATM card right at the register. So that could be coming. Dan, Eve, what do you think about Kroger? Is it going to be gas stations warning you about extra fees first? And then supermarkets are people finally starting to realize that credit cards are not free for merchants? Well, in the UK, I'm pretty sure they've just banned credit cards fees like, you know, on top as they're not for interest, the actual, you know, when you're buying something, either they banned it or they're almost banning it. But with credit cards specifically, credit cards means people are getting things on credit, right? So surely rather than debit, so it's lent money, it's loaned money rather than money from the bank. So don't they have different rates? People are definitely buying their groceries on loaned money. Yes, they definitely put. Yeah. Well, you know, as in credit cards. So if it's a credit card, they might get a bigger fee than a normal card. So it doesn't say they're quitting visa altogether. It said credit card. So I don't know if that's significant. Just still you have to be I think it's probably going to be all visa. I think you have to pay the the fee no matter what it is. They're probably and again, they're just using this as a leverage negotiation. We're saying it's a big story, but they're probably just using this to get a cheaper fee out of master card and then master card will get a cheaper fee out of visa. I mean, I'm sure it's a leverage situation. Well, it'd be great if it drops the fees across the board. But otherwise, you know, for a company like Smith, if they are paying, even if it's 1.5%, you know, that means every every 100 million, if they're taking 100 million, that's one and a half million that they're paying in fees for, you know, if they take 100 million on visa. So it's a big it's a small margin, but you know, big big money if you're talking big money and it's worth the saving if you can expand that into, you know, saving fees and expand that into crypto. It's well worth it, well worth it. Exit question, when will they eliminate cashiers in grocery stores completely already? We have the scan your own grocery section in our stores. The cashiers are waving you over. Go to this section, go to this section. Will it be three years, five years, or 10 years? Theo good. Totally eliminated. I do think it'll be 10 years. Sorry, I don't think it's going to be that quick. There's going to be a there's going to be a meet, there's going to be a time where there a lot of them are way in. There's just going to be this small amount that's always there. A tie look at it. Dan Eve. Yeah, I think that's a fair time scale. I mean, at the moment, a lot in the UK, if it's again, the revamps and stuff there, they've got a one person who's just watching five tils, like even if it's quite a big shop. So it's quite autonomous already, but I really can't see them being completely unman on persons. But the other thing is as well, in that 10 years technology may have increased so much. I mean, I can't even imagine what tech there's going to be in 10 years. So there may be this uber or some monitoring system that you literally don't need humans. I don't know. Cashiers will be gone in three years replaced by security guards. The security guards will be gone in five replaced by robots. Coinfest UK will take place on April 4th, 5th and 6th at the Manchester Conference Center in Manchester, UK. I'm going to be there and maybe crypto raptor and Theo too. Maybe everybody will be there. So shout out to coinfest. And now we're heading towards the end of the show. I'll see how you show this later. We'll go to predictions or story of the week. Dan Eave, are you ready with a prediction or a story of the week? Okay, okay, yeah, for my prediction, well, I'll review my last week's prediction. I think I said 4,200. So I'm off, unfortunately, by a good couple of hundreds. So I was maybe on a bit too optimistic. But at the end of the day, it's good that we're still floating around 3,900 at the moment. So for a story of the week, I think this is quite cool. It was the, because it's local to you, we talked about it earlier, which was the most expensive hotel suite ever at $200,000 for two nights. And it's by Damien Hurst and it's really, yeah, really funky, very plush hotel in Vegas strip. But yeah, $200,000 a night. Good luck in the next run. We'll run everyone. We can have to save your, save your Bitcoin. Yeah. All right, Theo, good man. Are you ready with a story of the week or a prediction? Go ahead, Theo. Yes, I'm doing, I'm trying to do a screen share. Do you see? Yes. So the story of the week is, you can check it out on chain of thoughts medium is the first ever NFT trust torch is a joint. So basically an NFT is a non-fungible token. And the first ever, maybe you're familiar with the lightning trust torch, where a small amount of Bitcoin was, is being passed around. Well, here we have the first ever tokenized torch, which is in the form of a tokenized joint. And it's been passed around. So if you'd like to, and it's on the, it's a counterparty asset on the Bitcoin blockchain. So if you'd like to take part and not Bogart the joint, then you can join in on the past, the dutchy counterparty first ever NFT trust chain. And just check out Joe, Joe Loney, Looney's first post, or you could check out chain of thoughts medium and my Twitter. And you can take part, be a part of history. Very cool. The tokenized joint trust chain. I'd also seen the lightning network trust chain got passed to read Hoffman inventor of LinkedIn. And then it was passed along again, I think to like Bitcoin magazine or something. So it's still going, but they're starting to run out of ability to hand it off. So this week, I don't know, story of the week. I watched the Cohen hearings. I thought that was pretty interesting. You guys should check that out. I've barely dipped into it. But Alex Jones went on the Joe Rogan show. So I think that's going to be full of great and very interesting. It's a four hour and 40 minute interview. That's pretty much five hours. You have to watch that. It's so good. It doesn't matter. I watch clips. It doesn't it doesn't matter what you think of Alex Jones or Joe Rogan or Eddie Bravo. It doesn't matter. It's just good overall. It doesn't. There's so many good parts of that of that. Even even I watched I watched a couple of five minute clips. And in one of them, Alex is like NASA is a full of evil German Nazi scientists. Yeah. I look at the thing. And he's wearing a NASA shirt. And I'm like, he is Alex just messing with people like, what's that? No, no, he explained. He wore it for a reason that that's really the the the the the the the evil German one was half the size of that one. He has a whole it all gets explained on there. Don't worry. The other part I saw is that they were they were stealing babies and they're keeping babies alive. And there was a yeah, yeah, it was like they put them in the vans and the helicopters and the whole thing. It just it escalated really quickly. But yeah, Alex Jones on Joe Rogan checked that out. And like Theo says, even if you don't support him, I mean, this is just an interesting interesting guy. So shout out to everybody in the chat. Thanks for giving us a thumbs up and a share that really does help more people find the show. I wanted to show the QR code. We are still fundraising here to support the world crypto network. You can scan the QR code. Give us five bucks, 10 bucks. No big deal. 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