An interview with Olga Ukolova (HCPP 2019)

## Summary of Interview with Olga Ukolova (HCPP 2019)

Olga Ukolova, founder of DoraCore and DoraBoxing projects known for building "skynets," was interviewed on a cryptocurrency podcast. The conversation ranged widely, exploring the intersection of artificial intelligence, censorship resistance, blockchain technology, and the future of humanity. Olga expressed deep concerns about the potential dangers of centralized AI control, arguing that the principles of the Non-Aggression Principle (NAP), typically applied to human interactions, may not be applicable or even desirable when dealing with advanced AI. She envisions a future where humans must adapt and potentially even integrate with AI, potentially through biological upgrades, to remain relevant. This perspective is intertwined with a broader discussion about technological advancement, the singularity, and the need for decentralized, censorship-resistant solutions, particularly leveraging blockchain technology like Bitcoin and related projects.

The interview also delved into the philosophical underpinnings of these technologies, drawing parallels between AI development and biological processes, referencing the Pandora's Box myth to illustrate the potential for both peril and hope. Olga emphasized a commitment to open-source development and a rejection of traditional funding models like ICOs, preferring a philosophy of being "poor and powerful" rather than "rich and weak." Ultimately, the conversation painted a picture of a rapidly evolving technological landscape demanding careful consideration and proactive measures to ensure a beneficial future for humanity.

Main Topics Discussed:

• Artificial Intelligence (AI): Concerns about centralized AI control, the applicability of the Non-Aggression Principle to AI, potential for AI to perceive humans as a threat, and the need for human adaptation and integration with AI.
• Censorship Resistance: The importance of censorship resistance as a core principle for technological development and self-sovereignty.
• Blockchain Technology: Discussion of Bitcoin, RGB (a layer on Bitcoin for asset issuance), and Storm Protocol (a censorship-resistant messaging service).
• The Singularity: Exploration of the concept of the singularity and Ray Kurzweil's predictions.
• Game Theory & Biology: Drawing parallels between AI development and biological processes, including symbiotic relationships.
• Open-Source Development: Emphasis on transparency and the use of GitHub repositories over traditional corporate websites.
• Funding Models: Rejection of ICOs and a preference for a "poor and powerful" approach.
• Philosophical Projects: Discussion of "Manifesto AI" and the Pandora's Blockchain project, drawing parallels to the Greek myth of Pandora's Box.

Key Quotes:

• "We just have to convince the AI to value humans as pets, not meat."
• "The best technology is indistinguishable from magic."
• "I do believe that if some other type of intelligence or consciousness arises, then if it will understand that we have this kill button. It’s first goal would be to kill us as whole holders of that button."
• "It's like in order to build Bitcoin, you should have known you should have known how economic works, how government works, how the financial system of governments work in order to know the details and then build something opposite to that."

People Mentioned:

• Olga Ukolova: Founder of DoraCore and DoraBoxing, speaker at Transylvania Conference.
• Mike King: Podcast host.
• Ray Kurzweil: Futurist and author.
• Alan Turing: Pioneer of computer science.
• "Chocolate": Speaker at an unspecified conference.
• Arnold Schwarzenegger: Reference to Terminator.
• Doc and Marty: Reference to Back to the Future.
• Elon Musk: Entrepreneur and AI safety advocate.
• Jacamo Zuko: Involved in the RGB project.
• Satoshi Nakamoto: Creator of Bitcoin.
• Craig Wright: Self-proclaimed Satoshi Nakamoto (disputed).
• Vladimir Putin: Reference in Satoshi Nakamoto speculation.
• Dan Pena: Entrepreneur (mentioned in passing).

Bitcoin Price: No specific Bitcoin prices were mentioned during the interview.